Packer & Reynolds

[Tiger_Steve]

From Fox Sports,

The Wests Tigers have vowed to get tough with $1.6 million walkabout stars Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer.
In a bizarre move which has overshadowed the Tigers gutsy upset over Manly, Reynolds and Packer inexplicably opted to leave Brookvale Oval at halftime.

The Tigers then staged a fight back to record one of the club’s best wins of the season but the duo was nowhere to be seen in the victorious dressing rooms.

After The Daily Telegraph exposed the pair on Sunday afternoon, CEO Justin Pascoe and chairman Lee Hagipantelis intend **to hit them with both barrels** on Monday.


Tigers chairman Hagipantelis is the boss of Bryden’s Lawyers with the club examining what punishments they can serve.

“The actions are not acceptable from my perspective. We are focused on ensuring every single person, player coach administrator board members actions are in complete alignment with the expectation of higher standards,” Pascoe said.

“Both Lee and I will speak directly again with the players tomorrow. The actions portray a look of the club that is not accurate and takes away from the hard fought win on Saturday night.

“The behaviors you walk past are the behaviors you accept and we won’t walk past these, they need to be addressed and not accepted.”

Excellent response from the CEO.

 

[TrueTiger]

Big deal,Josh cant get a game because the club legend keeps getting picked and produces poor performances,they won but JREY beside Brooks in previous games,the team performed better as a whole...Packer left because he doesnt know any better,look at his last few games and he knows why he was replaced...

As Madge said they didnt break any rules...

Last time Grub was given an opportunity he let in a try then knocked on at dummy half when the game against Penrith was in the balance. He cost us big against Souths too. When youre on 40 grand a game you’re supposed to change games, but not in the oppositions favour.

And how many opportunities has the club legend had and done twice as much damage

This is not about Benji vs Reynolds, this is about 3 players walking out on their team mates at halftime because they were losing.

you promised you wouldnt say anymore,,,,but here you are :grinning:

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Seriously, they saw the media we copped last week, our club was again in turmoil, stories of factions amongst the playing group. There should have been a unified front last night, a show of togetherness, even if its fake. But these 3 couldn't even fake it, they showed no heart all commitment at all, this has actually turned me. Benji is done, needs to retire but I would now give him another year and play him no matter what in front of Reynolds, at least he is committed to his team and team mates. Those 3 have lost me completely.

Thats fine coshise and your entitled to have your say on anything...I have the right to do the same...if Reynolds wasnt required at Brookvale and still went when its his free time,, why should he be chastised like he has...he has a life and he could have been anywhere else but went and left at halftime...

Would your mate JR leave a Bulldogs game half way through ? His nickname is GRUB and that is what he is ! And not in a good way !

and you know him personally....I dont,wouldnt know if he would leave the dogs,but they got rid of him and we got him,doesnt mean he is wrong by leaving a game that he wasnt required to attend at all..

How old are you ?seriously ?do you not understand how teams work ?have a look at a roosters game. A golden state warriors game , a Manchester United game , New York yankees game . All elite systems and all whenever down the sidelines ,or dugouts has their injured or not playing squad players sitting in the background . Always. And when they’re not, they’re told to train with the u21s . If you can’t understand that universal philosophy about teams in general then you sir just do not get it .

When you grow up and do what I have done and been through what I have been through then you can lecture me about teams and loyalty....

I bet I’ve been through just as much as you have buddy. So let’s not get in a measuring contest about teams loyalty and life experiences . Because if you truely believe. What your saying , and not trying to win an argument , then very little of the point of teams has sunk in .

you stick to your opinion buddy and I will stick with mine...

You’re opinion is wrong though . Literally no one agrees with you . I understand In a vacuum , what’s the big deal of leaving when you’re over it , but they’re not in a vacuum , there are 100 reason why they shouldn’t have , and I don’t understand why you’re advocating for them.

 

[cochise]

Big deal,Josh cant get a game because the club legend keeps getting picked and produces poor performances,they won but JREY beside Brooks in previous games,the team performed better as a whole...Packer left because he doesnt know any better,look at his last few games and he knows why he was replaced...

As Madge said they didnt break any rules...

Last time Grub was given an opportunity he let in a try then knocked on at dummy half when the game against Penrith was in the balance. He cost us big against Souths too. When youre on 40 grand a game you’re supposed to change games, but not in the oppositions favour.

And how many opportunities has the club legend had and done twice as much damage

This is not about Benji vs Reynolds, this is about 3 players walking out on their team mates at halftime because they were losing.

you promised you wouldnt say anymore,,,,but here you are :grinning:

You know how much I love our conversations Ziggy, you always draw me back to you 😛

 

[Cairnstigers]

Seriously, they saw the media we copped last week, our club was again in turmoil, stories of factions amongst the playing group. There should have been a unified front last night, a show of togetherness, even if its fake. But these 3 couldn't even fake it, they showed no heart all commitment at all, this has actually turned me. Benji is done, needs to retire but I would now give him another year and play him no matter what in front of Reynolds, at least he is committed to his team and team mates. Those 3 have lost me completely.

Thats fine coshise and your entitled to have your say on anything...I have the right to do the same...if Reynolds wasnt required at Brookvale and still went when its his free time,, why should he be chastised like he has...he has a life and he could have been anywhere else but went and left at halftime...

Would your mate JR leave a Bulldogs game half way through ? His nickname is GRUB and that is what he is ! And not in a good way !

and you know him personally....I dont,wouldnt know if he would leave the dogs,but they got rid of him and we got him,doesnt mean he is wrong by leaving a game that he wasnt required to attend at all..

Reynolds and Packer have given up on their team mates, if they have any
This is ment to be a professional football team and Josh and Packer are ment to be two experienced leaders
That's what they were bought here for
What type of example are they setting for all the younger players at our club
These vermin need to be exterminated from our club before they infect our youth with the same poison that they carry
Although Tamou is getting on a little, he would do far more for our club and players then these two fraudsters have done in the last 3 years
And thats saying something

 

[TrueTiger]

Seriously, they saw the media we copped last week, our club was again in turmoil, stories of factions amongst the playing group. There should have been a unified front last night, a show of togetherness, even if its fake. But these 3 couldn't even fake it, they showed no heart all commitment at all, this has actually turned me. Benji is done, needs to retire but I would now give him another year and play him no matter what in front of Reynolds, at least he is committed to his team and team mates. Those 3 have lost me completely.

Thats fine coshise and your entitled to have your say on anything...I have the right to do the same...if Reynolds wasnt required at Brookvale and still went when its his free time,, why should he be chastised like he has...he has a life and he could have been anywhere else but went and left at halftime...

Would your mate JR leave a Bulldogs game half way through ? His nickname is GRUB and that is what he is ! And not in a good way !

and you know him personally....I dont,wouldnt know if he would leave the dogs,but they got rid of him and we got him,doesnt mean he is wrong by leaving a game that he wasnt required to attend at all..

How old are you ?seriously ?do you not understand how teams work ?have a look at a roosters game. A golden state warriors game , a Manchester United game , New York yankees game . All elite systems and all whenever down the sidelines ,or dugouts has their injured or not playing squad players sitting in the background . Always. And when they’re not, they’re told to train with the u21s . If you can’t understand that universal philosophy about teams in general then you sir just do not get it .

When you grow up and do what I have done and been through what I have been through then you can lecture me about teams and loyalty....

I bet I’ve been through just as much as you have buddy. So let’s not get in a measuring contest about teams loyalty and life experiences . Because if you truely believe. What your saying , and not trying to win an argument , then very little of the point of teams has sunk in .

you stick to your opinion buddy and I will stick with mine...

You’re opinion is wrong though . Literally no one agrees with you . I understand In a vacuum , what’s the big deal of leaving when you’re over it , but they’re not in a vacuum , there are 100 reason why they shouldn’t have , and I don’t understand why you’re advocating for them.

Not advocating for them,I said earlier Packer was in the warm up he can cop whats coming ....Reynolds wasnt required at Brooky at all but turned up and left at half time...Madge even said its not wrong...

 

[BAGNF05]

Seriously, they saw the media we copped last week, our club was again in turmoil, stories of factions amongst the playing group. There should have been a unified front last night, a show of togetherness, even if its fake. But these 3 couldn't even fake it, they showed no heart all commitment at all, this has actually turned me. Benji is done, needs to retire but I would now give him another year and play him no matter what in front of Reynolds, at least he is committed to his team and team mates. Those 3 have lost me completely.

Thats fine coshise and your entitled to have your say on anything...I have the right to do the same...if Reynolds wasnt required at Brookvale and still went when its his free time,, why should he be chastised like he has...he has a life and he could have been anywhere else but went and left at halftime...

Would your mate JR leave a Bulldogs game half way through ? His nickname is GRUB and that is what he is ! And not in a good way !

and you know him personally....I dont,wouldnt know if he would leave the dogs,but they got rid of him and we got him,doesnt mean he is wrong by leaving a game that he wasnt required to attend at all..

Reynolds and Packer have given up on their team mates, if they have any
This is ment to be a professional football team and Josh and Packer are ment to be two experienced leaders
That's what they were bought here for
What type of example are they setting for all the younger players at our club
These vermin need to be exterminated from our club before they infect our youth with the same poison that they carry
Although Tamou is getting on a little, he would do far more for our club and players then these two fraudsters have done in the last 3 years
And thats saying something

I feel sorry for Grub. Seems like a nice enough guy but he’s been thinking with the wrong brain for a few years now. Probably knocked off for a tinder date.

 

[bbobb]

Big deal,Josh cant get a game because the club legend keeps getting picked and produces poor performances,they won but JREY beside Brooks in previous games,the team performed better as a whole...Packer left because he doesnt know any better,look at his last few games and he knows why he was replaced...

As Madge said they didnt break any rules...

Last time Grub was given an opportunity he let in a try then knocked on at dummy half when the game against Penrith was in the balance. He cost us big against Souths too. When youre on 40 grand a game you’re supposed to change games, but not in the oppositions favour.

And how many opportunities has the club legend had and done twice as much damage

This is not about Benji vs Reynolds, this is about 3 players walking out on their team mates at halftime because they were losing.

It is interesting that you say they left “because they were losing”. I was wondering why they did it and the only plausible reasons were that they don’t care, in which case they may have left if we were winning.

The other one was that they really wanted to say something against Madge (make a point)in which case, this may be get uglier and more public.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

If Packer turns up to training tomorrow the whole squad should call him by his new nickname - ‘the 15 yard man.’
Hey here comes 15...
Go hard for 15 champ
Good session mate - you ran 16
Going home early 15?
But heres the best one - hey 15, pity you didn’t get 15 to life!!

 

[cochise]

Big deal,Josh cant get a game because the club legend keeps getting picked and produces poor performances,they won but JREY beside Brooks in previous games,the team performed better as a whole...Packer left because he doesnt know any better,look at his last few games and he knows why he was replaced...

As Madge said they didnt break any rules...

Last time Grub was given an opportunity he let in a try then knocked on at dummy half when the game against Penrith was in the balance. He cost us big against Souths too. When youre on 40 grand a game you’re supposed to change games, but not in the oppositions favour.

And how many opportunities has the club legend had and done twice as much damage

This is not about Benji vs Reynolds, this is about 3 players walking out on their team mates at halftime because they were losing.

It is interesting that you say they left “because they were losing”. I was wondering why they did it and the only plausible reasons were that they don’t care, in which case they may have left if we were winning.

The other one was that they really wanted to say something against Madge (make a point)in which case, this may be get uglier and more public.

True mate, to me it just makes it worse because we were losing, I believe in being there for my mates when they are down and they didn't show this.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Seriously, they saw the media we copped last week, our club was again in turmoil, stories of factions amongst the playing group. There should have been a unified front last night, a show of togetherness, even if its fake. But these 3 couldn't even fake it, they showed no heart all commitment at all, this has actually turned me. Benji is done, needs to retire but I would now give him another year and play him no matter what in front of Reynolds, at least he is committed to his team and team mates. Those 3 have lost me completely.

Thats fine coshise and your entitled to have your say on anything...I have the right to do the same...if Reynolds wasnt required at Brookvale and still went when its his free time,, why should he be chastised like he has...he has a life and he could have been anywhere else but went and left at halftime...

Would your mate JR leave a Bulldogs game half way through ? His nickname is GRUB and that is what he is ! And not in a good way !

and you know him personally....I dont,wouldnt know if he would leave the dogs,but they got rid of him and we got him,doesnt mean he is wrong by leaving a game that he wasnt required to attend at all..

How old are you ?seriously ?do you not understand how teams work ?have a look at a roosters game. A golden state warriors game , a Manchester United game , New York yankees game . All elite systems and all whenever down the sidelines ,or dugouts has their injured or not playing squad players sitting in the background . Always. And when they’re not, they’re told to train with the u21s . If you can’t understand that universal philosophy about teams in general then you sir just do not get it .

When you grow up and do what I have done and been through what I have been through then you can lecture me about teams and loyalty....

I bet I’ve been through just as much as you have buddy. So let’s not get in a measuring contest about teams loyalty and life experiences . Because if you truely believe. What your saying , and not trying to win an argument , then very little of the point of teams has sunk in .

you stick to your opinion buddy and I will stick with mine...

You’re opinion is wrong though . Literally no one agrees with you . I understand In a vacuum , what’s the big deal of leaving when you’re over it , but they’re not in a vacuum , there are 100 reason why they shouldn’t have , and I don’t understand why you’re advocating for them.

Not advocating for them,I said earlier Packer was in the warm up he can cop whats coming ....Reynolds wasnt required at Brooky at all but turned up and left at half time...Madge even said its not wrong...

The ceo is throwing the book at them. And you are advocating . Literally! I would say madge wants to handle it internally and put the fire out before it begins.Every member of the squad is as important as the next , whether it’s the guys who prep the firsts team , the star player , the u20s player etc. all need to buy in , and give a crap . And if you’re leaving at half time , of literally the only 80 mins that matter during your working week . Then You have checked out . It’s Indicative of where you are and you’re regard for what is happening . That’s the issue ! What the action means !

 

[Tiger_Steve]

This one is going to get ugly. CEO and Chairman pulling them in tomorrow and looking for contractual ways to punish them. The only way this can end now is both of hem out by years end. Can’t come back from this now.

 

[cochise]

Seriously, they saw the media we copped last week, our club was again in turmoil, stories of factions amongst the playing group. There should have been a unified front last night, a show of togetherness, even if its fake. But these 3 couldn't even fake it, they showed no heart all commitment at all, this has actually turned me. Benji is done, needs to retire but I would now give him another year and play him no matter what in front of Reynolds, at least he is committed to his team and team mates. Those 3 have lost me completely.

Thats fine coshise and your entitled to have your say on anything...I have the right to do the same...if Reynolds wasnt required at Brookvale and still went when its his free time,, why should he be chastised like he has...he has a life and he could have been anywhere else but went and left at halftime...

Would your mate JR leave a Bulldogs game half way through ? His nickname is GRUB and that is what he is ! And not in a good way !

and you know him personally....I dont,wouldnt know if he would leave the dogs,but they got rid of him and we got him,doesnt mean he is wrong by leaving a game that he wasnt required to attend at all..

How old are you ?seriously ?do you not understand how teams work ?have a look at a roosters game. A golden state warriors game , a Manchester United game , New York yankees game . All elite systems and all whenever down the sidelines ,or dugouts has their injured or not playing squad players sitting in the background . Always. And when they’re not, they’re told to train with the u21s . If you can’t understand that universal philosophy about teams in general then you sir just do not get it .

When you grow up and do what I have done and been through what I have been through then you can lecture me about teams and loyalty....

I bet I’ve been through just as much as you have buddy. So let’s not get in a measuring contest about teams loyalty and life experiences . Because if you truely believe. What your saying , and not trying to win an argument , then very little of the point of teams has sunk in .

you stick to your opinion buddy and I will stick with mine...

You’re opinion is wrong though . Literally no one agrees with you . I understand In a vacuum , what’s the big deal of leaving when you’re over it , but they’re not in a vacuum , there are 100 reason why they shouldn’t have , and I don’t understand why you’re advocating for them.

Not advocating for them,I said earlier Packer was in the warm up he can cop whats coming ....Reynolds wasnt required at Brooky at all but turned up and left at half time...Madge even said its not wrong...

Hey mate, sent you a pm

 

[Tiger5150]

Big deal,Josh cant get a game because the club legend keeps getting picked and produces poor performances,they won but JREY beside Brooks in previous games,the team performed better as a whole...Packer left because he doesnt know any better,look at his last few games and he knows why he was replaced...

As Madge said they didnt break any rules...

This sums it up, Grub is stuck behind Benji, god knows why, and Benji is on a farewell tour, god knows why, so he is a million to 1 to get a game, it must be so frustrating, but he should know better

It might be frustrating for Josh to watch Benji do his farewell tour but he hasn't exactly been busting the door down to get Benji's spot. He needs to suck it up for a month and bust his ring out over the offseason to show he's worthy of the 6 next year. It's inexcusable.

How can he bust the door down, he was streets ahead of Benji until he got suspended, and since then he hasn't been picked, and the team has suffered as a consequence of that. Why Madge didn't drop Benji and bring Grub in after the pathetic effort in his 250th game is a disgrace

Rubbish, Reynolds is just as bad as Benji, a complete waste of money.

That is your opinion, thats fine, I disagree, we looked a far better team with Grub at 6, our right side centre and winger were not getting jammed up for room with Benji running across field, BJ looked the best he has all year with early ball.
We nearly rolled penrith, it was our best run of the year, I still don't understand how Grub didn't go straight back in to the team, considering Benji threw in some stellar bad performances since then.

He provides absolutely nothing in attack, I will agree he gives BJ early ball but that is because he has no ability to create space for his outside men so just shovels the ball off. Most of his supporters rave about the energy he plays with, you are saying he gives early ball, I am sorry but I am looing for more from a half than that. I wish he was leaving the club along with Benji.

He has a better short kicking game than Benji and forces repeat sets, his long kicking game is good, and he leads the chase, the proof is in our performances, we performed better with Grub at 6. I am not saying he is a star, but he is better than a 35 year old Benji. But we should be chasing Burton and Staines as a package for next year, but I am talking about 2020 at the moment

The only games we managed to score in while Grub was in the team was against side with absolutely no defense, its a myth that we were better when Grub was playing. We were a bit stronger in defense but couldn't score.

Truth is that many people including the head coach dont rate Jrey,so why should he stay if he wasnt in the squad to play at all...dont use the huge amount he is paid,thats not his fault and yes I do think he is far better beside Brooks than Benji..it has been proven..

I don't know how you can say something that is subjective is proven. He should have stayed to support his team mates, to show his coach he is a team player, to show he wants to be here. All that leaving shows is that you don't care, if that is the case leave and keep walking.

Mate you have your opinion and I have mine,he isnt rated by Madge and we get Benji week in week out ,J Rey does great work off the field with the community to show his loyalty to the club but cant get a run because the legend has to play his farewell tour....
I dont care if he leaves tommorrow,he wasnt in the squad to play so what if he went home...

Yes we have our opinions, that's why it can't be proven because it is subjective.

Because he walked out on his team mates, he showed them he thought he had better things to do. It is actually worse than not showing up at all, he was there and he walked out on them, wasn't there to support them. I'd be filthy if I was his team mate.

You got that wrong cochise...JRey is only a squad member...he hasnt been a teammate since Benji had to have his farewell tour....

Have you considered that the weak attitude shown by Reynolds last night isn’t a one off and it might be his rubbish attitude that is keeping him behind Benji?

 

[krissy]

To my way of thinking, if you are a member of the team or squad you should be at the games whether you are playing or not. Of course there will be some circumstances where this isn’t possible. You are employed by the club, support the club, cheer on your team mates and show the fans that you care.
They may not have HAD to be there but why the hell wouldn’t they be expected to be there?
Some schools are expected to all turn up for home games for their school teams even if they don’t play football, why is it expecting too much that paid professionals turn up?
For the record, no I don’t particularly care for Packer but I actually like Reynolds but I can’t be ok with his walking out on the boys.

 

[gallagher]

This one is going to get ugly. CEO and Chairman pulling them in tomorrow and looking for contractual ways to punish them. The only way this can end now is both of hem out by years end. Can’t come back from this now.

It's that happening Steve ? Or are you just saying it should happen.

 

[Rowdy12]

My understanding has always been that non playing players are meant to be there for home games, but not away games. So I’m fine with MCK and Josh leaving early, Packer was officially part of the squad though so that very poor from him

 

[bathursttiger1]

This one is going to get ugly. CEO and Chairman pulling them in tomorrow and looking for contractual ways to punish them. The only way this can end now is both of hem out by years end. Can’t come back from this now.

It's that happening Steve ? Or are you just saying it should happen.

Read the post of mine from Fox Sports below.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

This one is going to get ugly. CEO and Chairman pulling them in tomorrow and looking for contractual ways to punish them. The only way this can end now is both of hem out by years end. Can’t come back from this now.

It's that happening Steve ? Or are you just saying it should happen.

Just read an article on here quoting Pascoe. Think it’s in this thread but I’m on my phone and can’t scroll back very far.

Fox Sports article about 20 or so posts back

 

[Tiger5150]

Big deal,Josh cant get a game because the club legend keeps getting picked and produces poor performances,they won but JREY beside Brooks in previous games,the team performed better as a whole...Packer left because he doesnt know any better,look at his last few games and he knows why he was replaced...

As Madge said they didnt break any rules...

This sums it up, Grub is stuck behind Benji, god knows why, and Benji is on a farewell tour, god knows why, so he is a million to 1 to get a game, it must be so frustrating, but he should know better

It might be frustrating for Josh to watch Benji do his farewell tour but he hasn't exactly been busting the door down to get Benji's spot. He needs to suck it up for a month and bust his ring out over the offseason to show he's worthy of the 6 next year. It's inexcusable.

How can he bust the door down, he was streets ahead of Benji until he got suspended, and since then he hasn't been picked, and the team has suffered as a consequence of that. Why Madge didn't drop Benji and bring Grub in after the pathetic effort in his 250th game is a disgrace

Rubbish, Reynolds is just as bad as Benji, a complete waste of money.

That is your opinion, thats fine, I disagree, we looked a far better team with Grub at 6, our right side centre and winger were not getting jammed up for room with Benji running across field, BJ looked the best he has all year with early ball.
We nearly rolled penrith, it was our best run of the year, I still don't understand how Grub didn't go straight back in to the team, considering Benji threw in some stellar bad performances since then.

He provides absolutely nothing in attack, I will agree he gives BJ early ball but that is because he has no ability to create space for his outside men so just shovels the ball off. Most of his supporters rave about the energy he plays with, you are saying he gives early ball, I am sorry but I am looing for more from a half than that. I wish he was leaving the club along with Benji.

He has a better short kicking game than Benji and forces repeat sets, his long kicking game is good, and he leads the chase, the proof is in our performances, we performed better with Grub at 6. I am not saying he is a star, but he is better than a 35 year old Benji. But we should be chasing Burton and Staines as a package for next year, but I am talking about 2020 at the moment

The only games we managed to score in while Grub was in the team was against side with absolutely no defense, its a myth that we were better when Grub was playing. We were a bit stronger in defense but couldn't score.

Truth is that many people including the head coach dont rate Jrey,so why should he stay if he wasnt in the squad to play at all...dont use the huge amount he is paid,thats not his fault and yes I do think he is far better beside Brooks than Benji..it has been proven..

I don't know how you can say something that is subjective is proven. He should have stayed to support his team mates, to show his coach he is a team player, to show he wants to be here. All that leaving shows is that you don't care, if that is the case leave and keep walking.

Mate you have your opinion and I have mine,he isnt rated by Madge and we get Benji week in week out ,J Rey does great work off the field with the community to show his loyalty to the club but cant get a run because the legend has to play his farewell tour....
I dont care if he leaves tommorrow,he wasnt in the squad to play so what if he went home...

Yes we have our opinions, that's why it can't be proven because it is subjective.

Because he walked out on his team mates, he showed them he thought he had better things to do. It is actually worse than not showing up at all, he was there and he walked out on them, wasn't there to support them. I'd be filthy if I was his team mate.

You got that wrong cochise...JRey is only a squad member...he hasnt been a teammate since Benji had to have his farewell tour....

Only a squad member? What rubbish, he would expect others to put in for him if he got a recall and he couldn't even bother to stay and support them because he was cold. They just burnt their reputation with the whole team, I wouldn't want to play with them again.

Read the latest from the club ceo...Reynolds wasnt required to attend the game but turned up anyway to support them....so what if he left at half time.....you and avo have an agenda against reynolds ....but who cares ....

Haha a... Agenda?
The irony

The irony is ...it doesnt matter what JR does nobody wants him here...go see Ivan for that...
he wasnt required to be at the game but went and left at half time...so what ,the days of loyalty to the club and team was gone years ago,ask Tedesco,Moses and co...

Nobody wants him at any other club either. Wonder why?