Packer & Reynolds

Maybe its time the club opens its doors to one or two journalists for more favourable comments and outcomes
Inside scoops
Give them information long before other scum journalists get there hands on it to try and destroy our club
This will make it look like those scum jurno's are not doing their jobs as they are always behind the 8 ball
The real jurno's get the facts
The scum can get the crums from social media

Also if we want to find out who is leaking this information from our club, we can start by giving both Packer and Reynolds (seperated) a private talk behind closed doors
Give them both a different blasting
See which one gets leaked to the media
Then we may find the mole
 
@Cairnstigers said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225111) said:
Maybe its time the club opens its doors to one or two journalists for more favourable comments and outcomes
Inside scoops
Give them information long before other scum journalists get there hands on it to try and destroy our club
This will make it look like those scum jurno's are not doing their jobs as they are always behind the 8 ball
The real jurno's get the facts
The scum can get the crums from social media

Also if we want to find out who is leaking this information from our club, we can start by giving both Packer and Reynolds (seperated) a private talk behind closed doors
Give them both a different blasting
See which one gets leaked to the media
Then we may find the mole

Having a pet journo to give scoops to is definitely a sensible move. Play the game. That's the only way to get some positive news out there. Journos suck big time but they do have enormous influence about how a club or person is perceived, so definitely a smart move to cultivate a positive relationship with one or two of them.
 
@Pbulk said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225097) said:
Tigers to re-sign Maguire but Reynolds, Packer drama highlights issues

By Michael Chammas

The Wests Tigers are moving to silence the deafening noise surrounding the tenure of their coach, set to hand Michael Maguire a one year contract extension despite more cause for concern emerging on Sunday.

A week of conjecture around the coach's relationship with his players ended with revelations out-of-favour duo Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer left Saturday night's game against Manly at half time.

When contacted by the Herald on Sunday night, Reynolds declined to comment. However sources close to the club said Reynolds, whose behaviour was out of character given his reputation as the ultimate team player, was privately fuming over suggestions that he walked out because he couldn't handle the cold.

The five-eighth, despite being told to find a new home on half a dozen occasions, wasn't required to attend the match but turned up to support his teammates, before leaving at half time.

"It's not a good look for two of our players to leave at half time," chairman Lee Hagipantelis told the Herald.

"Strictly speaking, they weren't required to be there. Russell had to warm up with the team as 19th man but Josh didn't even warm up with the team. Both players have acknowledged their action creates a perception, but perception is not reality.

"I have spoken to both of them and they've acknowledge it wasn't a good look. There was no intention on their part to show disrespect or a lack of unity. Russell suffers from an arthritic condition and had multiple surgeries in his foot to try and help him play again. Sitting there in the cold does affect him, that is true."

The players' inability to see out the match in the stands reflects poorly, but again highlights the disconnect that the club wants addressed in the offseason when it sits down with Maguire to map out its plan for the future.

The Wests Tigers has been a revolving door of coaches in recent years and the club is determined to make sure Maguire isn't added to the list, with the former South Sydney premiership-winning mentor to be given an extension on his contract despite already being locked in at the joint venture until the end of 2021.

It's an incredible show of faith when you consider the noise surrounding Maguire's tenure at the club. The murmurs of discontent in the playing ranks keep bubbling along, not to mention the fact the Tigers are likely to miss the finals for a second straight year under his watch despite a miraculous come-from-behind win against Manly on Saturday night.

The Tigers would be well within their rights to sit back and see how next year unfolds before making a decision. That's the safe play considering he still has another year to run on his deal and, to put it bluntly, rival clubs are not exactly lining up for his services.

But in a strong message to the players, some of whom are privately questioning whether he is in fact the right man to lead them out of a decade-long finals slumber, the board and executives will in the coming months add another year to Maguire's incumbency.

The Tigers and, for the large part, their success-starved fans, believe Maguire is the right man. They are behind his no-nonsense approach and want him to add a hard edge to a club long regarded for its soft underbelly.

They also know where there's smoke, there's fire. The issue involving Packer and Reynolds is evidence of that. Packer and Reynolds didn't break any rules when they left the game. Some of their teammates who weren't playing didn't even show up at all, but it's a bad look nonetheless.

The players must take responsibility for their poor choices, but there's also an onus on Maguire to evolve in the off-season and address some of the issues with his coaching style that has affected his relationship with several players at his last two clubs.

There's a misconception that the issues arise from how hard Maguire trains his players, that they can't stomach his military-like regime. The real problem stems around his communication skills, and a feeling he avoids the tough conversations.

Like when he asked Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah to approach Moses Mbye about stepping away from the captaincy last year, instead of having the conversation himself. Or, just last week, when he struggled to tell Marshall he wasn't required in 2021, asking the veteran playmaker to "give him 24 hours" despite already reaching a decision with the club he wasn't part of their plans going forward.

Maguire has the runs on the board. No one is questioning his rugby league IQ or his ability to prepare a football team. But a generational transition in players has prompted debate over how compatible his philosophies are with the modern-day footballer.

**It was evident last year in how he handled Ryan Matterson, a player who came to the club from the Sydney Roosters with a reputation for requiring a cuddle - or three - to get the best out of him.** Maguire is from a different school. The type that brings baseball bats and boa constrictors into dressing rooms to get his point across. Mollycoddling delicate footballers is not in his nature.

The Tigers possess a roster built by Ivan Cleary with personalities that suit an Ivan Cleary-coached team. Maguire will get his team in 2022, when the salary cap frees up in the first season of his forthcoming extension, but what he does between now and then will have a huge impact on whether he can attract Maguire-type footballers to the club.

Tigers powerbrokers know the club is not in a position to let quality footballers walk out the door, or turn players off joining, if it can be avoided by the coach learning to relate on a different level. Sometimes a teaspoon of cement isn't the only remedy.

There is a genuine point there, anyone who has done basic training on personalities or psychology knows there are several personality types and the key to getting best performance whether on a corporate room or team is working with all types.

The great Phil Jackson, considered a hippy knew this in the 90s working with a highly emotional and sensitive Dennis Rodman. Its much more common knowledge now than then.
 
@Tiger_Steve said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225058) said:
If Packer turns up to training tomorrow the whole squad should call him by his new nickname - ‘the 15 yard man.’
Hey here comes 15...
Go hard for 15 champ
Good session mate - you ran 16
Going home early 15?
But heres the best one - hey 15, pity you didn’t get 15 to life!!

I will pay that
 
@gallagher said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225087) said:
The question needs to be asked, did the rest of the non playing squad turn up to the game?

That is a fair question.I have always believed that all players unless in medical rehab should be there to support in the players area,it is part of the team culture that should be promoted at all times
 
@Blaze said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225110) said:
Even my son who fractured his elbow playing in the under 10s turns up to training 2 nights a week and games on Saturdays to support his team mates... poor form. No excuses. Add to the fact that it’s bloody freezing for him aswell without running around in the deep southwest of Sydney at this time of year.... no complaints from him... he is there for his boys.

Your son has great values and you and your other half are doing a good job in strengthening and supporting them
 
@ElleryHanley said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1224913) said:
SEYFARTH was not even in the team, but there he was singing the team song at the end. A kid on very little who may well be cut soon.

It is a disgrace blokes on 700 000 did not even bother. Both have always been of very dubious character, but have given them the benefit of the doubt. Not anymore.

Good point
 
@krissy said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1224625) said:
I am pretty disgusted by media reports that Packer & Reynolds left the ground at half time. Madge was unaware until told by the media and made a phone call which confirmed it. Apparently the reason they gave Madge was.....we were cold. Keep walking you overpaid princesses.

These two are not loyal Wests Tigers..they should have shown a little respect though and stayed till the match was finished, we won without them anyway:confounded:
 
@jadtiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225118) said:
@gallagher said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225087) said:
The question needs to be asked, did the rest of the non playing squad turn up to the game?

That is a fair question.I have always believed that all players unless in medical rehab should be there to support in the players area,it is part of the team culture that should be promoted at all times

In normal times they are.. definitely home games ...away or interstate games not so much ..a cost thing..

During covid not sure what the go is..
 
@Tiger_Steve said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225062) said:
This one is going to get ugly. CEO and Chairman pulling them in tomorrow and looking for contractual ways to punish them. The only way this can end now is both of hem out by years end. Can’t come back from this now.

Might be an excellent result then. I wonder who told the media that they left?
 
@Jay said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225116) said:
@Pbulk said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225097) said:
Tigers to re-sign Maguire but Reynolds, Packer drama highlights issues

By Michael Chammas

The Wests Tigers are moving to silence the deafening noise surrounding the tenure of their coach, set to hand Michael Maguire a one year contract extension despite more cause for concern emerging on Sunday.

A week of conjecture around the coach's relationship with his players ended with revelations out-of-favour duo Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer left Saturday night's game against Manly at half time.

When contacted by the Herald on Sunday night, Reynolds declined to comment. However sources close to the club said Reynolds, whose behaviour was out of character given his reputation as the ultimate team player, was privately fuming over suggestions that he walked out because he couldn't handle the cold.

The five-eighth, despite being told to find a new home on half a dozen occasions, wasn't required to attend the match but turned up to support his teammates, before leaving at half time.

"It's not a good look for two of our players to leave at half time," chairman Lee Hagipantelis told the Herald.

"Strictly speaking, they weren't required to be there. Russell had to warm up with the team as 19th man but Josh didn't even warm up with the team. Both players have acknowledged their action creates a perception, but perception is not reality.

"I have spoken to both of them and they've acknowledge it wasn't a good look. There was no intention on their part to show disrespect or a lack of unity. Russell suffers from an arthritic condition and had multiple surgeries in his foot to try and help him play again. Sitting there in the cold does affect him, that is true."

The players' inability to see out the match in the stands reflects poorly, but again highlights the disconnect that the club wants addressed in the offseason when it sits down with Maguire to map out its plan for the future.

The Wests Tigers has been a revolving door of coaches in recent years and the club is determined to make sure Maguire isn't added to the list, with the former South Sydney premiership-winning mentor to be given an extension on his contract despite already being locked in at the joint venture until the end of 2021.

It's an incredible show of faith when you consider the noise surrounding Maguire's tenure at the club. The murmurs of discontent in the playing ranks keep bubbling along, not to mention the fact the Tigers are likely to miss the finals for a second straight year under his watch despite a miraculous come-from-behind win against Manly on Saturday night.

The Tigers would be well within their rights to sit back and see how next year unfolds before making a decision. That's the safe play considering he still has another year to run on his deal and, to put it bluntly, rival clubs are not exactly lining up for his services.

But in a strong message to the players, some of whom are privately questioning whether he is in fact the right man to lead them out of a decade-long finals slumber, the board and executives will in the coming months add another year to Maguire's incumbency.

The Tigers and, for the large part, their success-starved fans, believe Maguire is the right man. They are behind his no-nonsense approach and want him to add a hard edge to a club long regarded for its soft underbelly.

They also know where there's smoke, there's fire. The issue involving Packer and Reynolds is evidence of that. Packer and Reynolds didn't break any rules when they left the game. Some of their teammates who weren't playing didn't even show up at all, but it's a bad look nonetheless.

The players must take responsibility for their poor choices, but there's also an onus on Maguire to evolve in the off-season and address some of the issues with his coaching style that has affected his relationship with several players at his last two clubs.

There's a misconception that the issues arise from how hard Maguire trains his players, that they can't stomach his military-like regime. The real problem stems around his communication skills, and a feeling he avoids the tough conversations.

Like when he asked Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah to approach Moses Mbye about stepping away from the captaincy last year, instead of having the conversation himself. Or, just last week, when he struggled to tell Marshall he wasn't required in 2021, asking the veteran playmaker to "give him 24 hours" despite already reaching a decision with the club he wasn't part of their plans going forward.

Maguire has the runs on the board. No one is questioning his rugby league IQ or his ability to prepare a football team. But a generational transition in players has prompted debate over how compatible his philosophies are with the modern-day footballer.

**It was evident last year in how he handled Ryan Matterson, a player who came to the club from the Sydney Roosters with a reputation for requiring a cuddle - or three - to get the best out of him.** Maguire is from a different school. The type that brings baseball bats and boa constrictors into dressing rooms to get his point across. Mollycoddling delicate footballers is not in his nature.

The Tigers possess a roster built by Ivan Cleary with personalities that suit an Ivan Cleary-coached team. Maguire will get his team in 2022, when the salary cap frees up in the first season of his forthcoming extension, but what he does between now and then will have a huge impact on whether he can attract Maguire-type footballers to the club.

Tigers powerbrokers know the club is not in a position to let quality footballers walk out the door, or turn players off joining, if it can be avoided by the coach learning to relate on a different level. Sometimes a teaspoon of cement isn't the only remedy.

There is a genuine point there, anyone who has done basic training on personalities or psychology knows there are several personality types and the key to getting best performance whether on a corporate room or team is working with all types.

The great Phil Jackson, considered a hippy knew this in the 90s working with a highly emotional and sensitive Dennis Rodman. Its much more common knowledge now than then.

He did get the best out of Matterson though. Enough for him to secure a better deal at a club that originally let him go, and also got him into contention for SOO. But that doesn't go with the narrative and or that Matterson "reportedly" didnt want to committ to his contract at a club not in premiership contention.
 
ChammASS strikes again... what a flog.

He once again references Club Insiders. That’s the journo term for “nobody would speak to me so I’ll go ahead and reference fantasy insiders to justify my opinions.”

Clear as day now that there’s a massive agenda against the club for whatever reasons. But like any news cycle, it’ll soon be forgotten once the next major NRL talking point presents itself.
 
@Aesopian said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225141) said:
ChammASS strikes again... what a flog.

He once again references Club Insiders. That’s the journo term for “nobody would speak to me so I’ll go ahead and reference fantasy insiders to justify my opinions.”

Clear as day now that there’s a massive agenda against the club for whatever reasons. But like any news cycle, it’ll soon be forgotten once the next major NRL talking point presents itself.

I actually thought Chammas was on pretty good terms with WT. Must be thinking of another journalist....
 
Chaps, nothing will happen so lets not get excited, they both have contracts for next year. Don't get your hopes up that we can get rid of them, if we could have we would have. These two realize that they will never play 1st grade a another club or get another contract and that this is their last one and are "surfing this wave all the way to the sure". Meaning they have contracts and don't care.
 
At the end of the day, I just wonder how the other players feel about this?
On them grounds, the whole team
Unity could potentially be compromised if not dealt with properly.
I’m appalled that the guys left.
 
@jadtiger said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225118) said:
@gallagher said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225087) said:
The question needs to be asked, did the rest of the non playing squad turn up to the game?

That is a fair question.I have always believed that all players unless in medical rehab should be there to support in the players area,it is part of the team culture that should be promoted at all times

I tend to agree with this, but what we think and what the club requirements are two different things, as many have said, a Storm in a tea cup.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1224796) said:
@Fade-To-Black said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1224781) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1224774) said:
Why is everyone bagging out Rothfield for this? Fair enough to report it. The players deserve the blame for this, not the journo.

No problem whatsoever with him reporting it.
Just his smart-alec quip about WT culture irks.....we haven't been done taking PED's and rorting the cap on a scale like his Sharps have. Not to mention quality maggots like Flanagan and what he got up to while at Sharps. Glass houses and all that......

I hate the sharks as much as anyone. They’re cheats. But our culture does suck, hard to argue

Our culture does suck? which one?
 
@Chaos said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1225144) said:
At the end of the day, I just wonder how the other players feel about this?
On them grounds, the whole team
Unity could potentially be compromised if not dealt with properly.
I’m appalled that the guys left.

I think unity can be damaged when you have players like Packer, our highest paid forward, contributing nothing to the team, while others like Eisenhuth, on a small contract, are having a dig each week. To top it off, Eisenhuth has been told to look after himself because we may not be able to offer him a deal for 2021.

So we keep Packer and put Eisenhuth, as well as keeping JRey and punt Benji.

That can't be good for morale.
 

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