Packer & Reynolds

Further to that, by the end of next year, we’ll barely have gotten 60 games between our 3 big signings that year. Reynolds, Packer amd McQueen. Great pick ups Ivan.
 
We got dudded, pure and simple, when Ivan signed Packer and Reynolds on silly money there was an air of expectation that they would rise to the level of their remuneration, for Packer think JWH or Klemmer, for Reynolds think Widdup or Keary, that was the money they were on. Well that didn't happen.
But its just not that, they were to be the leaders of the team, that hasn't happened either, as a result the Club has signed Tamou to fill that role.
Not their fault Ivan signed these players on possible potential to lift not on actual ability to do so, but still more was expected of them they what they actually delivered.
 
@tbones10 said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236239) said:
We got dudded, pure and simple, when Ivan signed Packer and Reynolds on silly money there was an air of expectation that they would rise to the level of their remuneration, for Packer think JWH or Klemmer, for Reynolds think Widdup or Keary, that was the money they were on. Well that didn't happen.
But its just not that, they were to be the leaders of the team, that hasn't happened either, as a result the Club has signed Tamou to fill that role.
Not their fault Ivan signed these players on possible potential to lift not on actual ability to do so, but still more was expected of them they what they actually delivered.

Thank God we missed out on DWZ - or would also be on the list.
 
My gut feeling is Reynolds will go to Super League and we pay some freight. Packer will have no suitors and he did sign a deal with WT in good faith so we have to honour it. Surely in his last year of NRL Packer can play 30 hard mintues a game. I would pair him with Tamou as the starting props and then have Musgrove, Aloiai and Twal as bench props. Hopefully the Parra Bopper can make an impact but not expecting too much in his first year with us and his lack of game time this year.
 
@tbones10 said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236239) said:
We got dudded, pure and simple, when Ivan signed Packer and Reynolds on silly money ***there was an air of expectation that they would rise to the level of their remuneration, for Packer think JWH or Klemmer,*** for Reynolds think Widdup or Keary, that was the money they were on. Well that didn't happen.
But its just not that, they were to be the leaders of the team, that hasn't happened either, as a result the Club has signed Tamou to fill that role.
Not their fault Ivan signed these players on possible potential to lift not on actual ability to do so, but still more was expected of them they what they actually delivered.

That’s a pretty good observation. And the way he started that year, he was on track. He was a monster for the first half of 2018. Since then, he fell of the face of the earth. I don’t think there was that expectation around Reynolds, even though his pay packet would justify it.
 
If we can’t get a home for them, I would go with a 28 man roster and tell them they will get their money but have the year off. I know it’s not their fault but I just don’t see the point of them being around in 2021 as the definitely will not be around in 2022. Also it may give them the incentive to look elsewhere.
 
@Long-Term-Fan said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236245) said:
My gut feeling is Reynolds will go to Super League and we pay some freight. Packer will have no suitors and he did sign a deal with WT in good faith so we have to honour it. Surely in his last year of NRL Packer can play 30 hard mintues a game. I would pair him with Tamou as the starting props and then have Musgrove, Aloiai and Twal as bench props. Hopefully the Parra Bopper can make an impact but not expecting too much in his first year with us and his lack of game time this year.


If he goes to SL, we don’t pay anything
 
@hsvjones said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236129) said:
Do we go down this path ?? Harsh but might work

Advise both of them that we will not be using them at all next year regardless of what happens and will blood young players instead. Advise them they will not get the opportunity to show case there skills at all so clubs would be unlikely to pick them up the year after unless it's min wage.. I know it's harsh but they are giving us nothing so say to there manager if you can find a club for a longer term deal we will pay a fair share of the first year..

Don't get me wrong as its not there fault we paid overs for them and they derserve the money but could be an incentive. :man-shrugging:

Then players will be dubious about signing as it may happen to them. Got to award merit if they find form
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236268) said:
@Long-Term-Fan said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236245) said:
My gut feeling is Reynolds will go to Super League and we pay some freight. Packer will have no suitors and he did sign a deal with WT in good faith so we have to honour it. Surely in his last year of NRL Packer can play 30 hard mintues a game. I would pair him with Tamou as the starting props and then have Musgrove, Aloiai and Twal as bench props. Hopefully the Parra Bopper can make an impact but not expecting too much in his first year with us and his lack of game time this year.


If he goes to SL, we don’t pay anything

so as we have Packer and JR on the contract we have to play them even they are so bad that no club in the NRL or SL will take them under any condition?:angry:
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236268) said:
@Long-Term-Fan said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236245) said:
My gut feeling is Reynolds will go to Super League and we pay some freight. Packer will have no suitors and he did sign a deal with WT in good faith so we have to honour it. Surely in his last year of NRL Packer can play 30 hard mintues a game. I would pair him with Tamou as the starting props and then have Musgrove, Aloiai and Twal as bench props. Hopefully the Parra Bopper can make an impact but not expecting too much in his first year with us and his lack of game time this year.


If he goes to SL, we don’t pay anything

I would expect we are up for some freight where ever he goes. SL is going broke at a 100 mph. I guess if the Wolfpack get going again there is a glimmer of hope for both of them
 
@boonboon said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236178) said:
Reynolds -4 wins , 6 losses including our 2 best performances of the year v Raiders and Panthers
Benji - 5 wins, 10 losses
Brooks- 6 win, 10 losses

For all the critcism our best footy has been when Reynolds has been in the halves

I have said this for 18 months now
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236200) said:
@tigersteve said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236196) said:
I don't read into much of what is written by Reynolds haters, the real problem with this guy is he has a lacked strong athletic appearance eg. Legs like pins, but what he lacks in physical prowess he makes up with shear enthusiasm, I believe it's both the club's trainers and Reynolds fault for not getting his body right to dominate week after week of hard Yakka right from the start of his contract. I bet you if Melbourne or the chooks had him he would be bigger, stronger, faster, hot property. If we keep him, a full hard preseason will see him produce. I'm not saying our players don't train hard because I've watched them train so why don't they look athletic like the Panthers team??? Everyone the them look the goods and will go close to take out the title.

His problem is he’s just not a good player. He doesn’t have a good passing game, kicking game or running game and he’s a poor defender. He’s just hopeless.

His kicking game is quite good, way better than Brooks, both short and long, his defence is better than Benji's, and his running game is not that bad. He is no superstar, but he deserved to be picked over what we have been trotting out each week. I would love to get Burton, but people just rubbish Grub because of his pay packet
 
@851 said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236351) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236200) said:
@tigersteve said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236196) said:
I don't read into much of what is written by Reynolds haters, the real problem with this guy is he has a lacked strong athletic appearance eg. Legs like pins, but what he lacks in physical prowess he makes up with shear enthusiasm, I believe it's both the club's trainers and Reynolds fault for not getting his body right to dominate week after week of hard Yakka right from the start of his contract. I bet you if Melbourne or the chooks had him he would be bigger, stronger, faster, hot property. If we keep him, a full hard preseason will see him produce. I'm not saying our players don't train hard because I've watched them train so why don't they look athletic like the Panthers team??? Everyone the them look the goods and will go close to take out the title.

His problem is he’s just not a good player. He doesn’t have a good passing game, kicking game or running game and he’s a poor defender. He’s just hopeless.

His kicking game is quite good, way better than Brooks, both short and long, his defence is better than Benji's, and his running game is not that bad. He is no superstar, but he deserved to be picked over what we have been trotting out each week. I would love to get Burton, but people just rubbish Grub because of his pay packet

I'm with you Benji should be moved on, but he's a million times better than Reynolds. Reynolds is a very poor player. Marshall, Mbye and AD would get the 6 spot over Reynolds imo.
 
@TheDaBoss said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236229) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236200) said:
@tigersteve said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236196) said:
I don't read into much of what is written by Reynolds haters, the real problem with this guy is he has a lacked strong athletic appearance eg. Legs like pins, but what he lacks in physical prowess he makes up with shear enthusiasm, I believe it's both the club's trainers and Reynolds fault for not getting his body right to dominate week after week of hard Yakka right from the start of his contract. I bet you if Melbourne or the chooks had him he would be bigger, stronger, faster, hot property. If we keep him, a full hard preseason will see him produce. I'm not saying our players don't train hard because I've watched them train so why don't they look athletic like the Panthers team??? Everyone the them look the goods and will go close to take out the title.

His problem is he’s just not a good player. He doesn’t have a good passing game, kicking game or running game and he’s a poor defender. He’s just hopeless.

his only redeeming quality is his energy he brings and also he has a tiny bit of speed and stepping game

Yup and that was nowhere to be seen on the weekend - his performance didn't look like someone that was desperate to lock down a spot, but of someone who almost knows he won't be here next season.
 
@TheDaBoss said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236229) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236200) said:
@tigersteve said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236196) said:
I don't read into much of what is written by Reynolds haters, the real problem with this guy is he has a lacked strong athletic appearance eg. Legs like pins, but what he lacks in physical prowess he makes up with shear enthusiasm, I believe it's both the club's trainers and Reynolds fault for not getting his body right to dominate week after week of hard Yakka right from the start of his contract. I bet you if Melbourne or the chooks had him he would be bigger, stronger, faster, hot property. If we keep him, a full hard preseason will see him produce. I'm not saying our players don't train hard because I've watched them train so why don't they look athletic like the Panthers team??? Everyone the them look the goods and will go close to take out the title.

His problem is he’s just not a good player. He doesn’t have a good passing game, kicking game or running game and he’s a poor defender. He’s just hopeless.

his only redeeming quality is his energy he brings and also he has a tiny bit of speed and stepping game

His energy isn't positive though. He just runs around like a headless chook.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236268) said:
@Long-Term-Fan said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236245) said:
My gut feeling is Reynolds will go to Super League and we pay some freight. Packer will have no suitors and he did sign a deal with WT in good faith so we have to honour it. Surely in his last year of NRL Packer can play 30 hard mintues a game. I would pair him with Tamou as the starting props and then have Musgrove, Aloiai and Twal as bench props. Hopefully the Parra Bopper can make an impact but not expecting too much in his first year with us and his lack of game time this year.


If he goes to SL, we don’t pay anything

Why?
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236369) said:
@TheDaBoss said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236229) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236200) said:
@tigersteve said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236196) said:
I don't read into much of what is written by Reynolds haters, the real problem with this guy is he has a lacked strong athletic appearance eg. Legs like pins, but what he lacks in physical prowess he makes up with shear enthusiasm, I believe it's both the club's trainers and Reynolds fault for not getting his body right to dominate week after week of hard Yakka right from the start of his contract. I bet you if Melbourne or the chooks had him he would be bigger, stronger, faster, hot property. If we keep him, a full hard preseason will see him produce. I'm not saying our players don't train hard because I've watched them train so why don't they look athletic like the Panthers team??? Everyone the them look the goods and will go close to take out the title.

His problem is he’s just not a good player. He doesn’t have a good passing game, kicking game or running game and he’s a poor defender. He’s just hopeless.

his only redeeming quality is his energy he brings and also he has a tiny bit of speed and stepping game

His energy isn't positive though. He just runs around like a headless chook.

yea i do agree

its seemed to disappear, last year and even the start of this year it was there
 
@TheDaBoss said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236388) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236369) said:
@TheDaBoss said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236229) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236200) said:
@tigersteve said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236196) said:
I don't read into much of what is written by Reynolds haters, the real problem with this guy is he has a lacked strong athletic appearance eg. Legs like pins, but what he lacks in physical prowess he makes up with shear enthusiasm, I believe it's both the club's trainers and Reynolds fault for not getting his body right to dominate week after week of hard Yakka right from the start of his contract. I bet you if Melbourne or the chooks had him he would be bigger, stronger, faster, hot property. If we keep him, a full hard preseason will see him produce. I'm not saying our players don't train hard because I've watched them train so why don't they look athletic like the Panthers team??? Everyone the them look the goods and will go close to take out the title.

His problem is he’s just not a good player. He doesn’t have a good passing game, kicking game or running game and he’s a poor defender. He’s just hopeless.

his only redeeming quality is his energy he brings and also he has a tiny bit of speed and stepping game

His energy isn't positive though. He just runs around like a headless chook.

yea i do agree

its seemed to disappear, last year and even the start of this year it was there

When you lack, talent, speed and size and have made a career out of “energy and effort” and then that disappears, your cards are marked.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236354) said:
@851 said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236351) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236200) said:
@tigersteve said in [Packer & Reynolds](/post/1236196) said:
I don't read into much of what is written by Reynolds haters, the real problem with this guy is he has a lacked strong athletic appearance eg. Legs like pins, but what he lacks in physical prowess he makes up with shear enthusiasm, I believe it's both the club's trainers and Reynolds fault for not getting his body right to dominate week after week of hard Yakka right from the start of his contract. I bet you if Melbourne or the chooks had him he would be bigger, stronger, faster, hot property. If we keep him, a full hard preseason will see him produce. I'm not saying our players don't train hard because I've watched them train so why don't they look athletic like the Panthers team??? Everyone the them look the goods and will go close to take out the title.

His problem is he’s just not a good player. He doesn’t have a good passing game, kicking game or running game and he’s a poor defender. He’s just hopeless.

His kicking game is quite good, way better than Brooks, both short and long, his defence is better than Benji's, and his running game is not that bad. He is no superstar, but he deserved to be picked over what we have been trotting out each week. I would love to get Burton, but people just rubbish Grub because of his pay packet

I'm with you Benji should be moved on, but he's a million times better than Reynolds. Reynolds is a very poor player. Marshall, Mbye and AD would get the 6 spot over Reynolds imo.

We need to do better and Reynolds in the team is a step down.
 
Not sure if this is the right place for this. From the DT (Rothfield)

Russell Packer disappeared at halftime again and missed the Wests Tigers’ moving farewell tributes to Chris Lawrence and Benji Marshall at Bankwest Stadium last weekend.

It at first appeared another bad look after the prop and utility Josh Reynolds bailed out on the team at Brookvale Oval two weeks earlier.

This time, however, there was a legitimate excuse.


Packer was still suffering from the after-effects of a heavy concussion in the 50-22 loss to Melbourne Storm on the Sunshine Coast in round 19.

At halftime in the game against Parramatta, Packer — who was watching from the clean zone — had to seek medical attention from the club doctor because of a severe headache.

He was then advised to go home and rest.

Russell Packer disappeared from yet another Wests Tigers match, but had a good excuse this time as he battles with concussion. Picture: Getty Images.
Russell Packer disappeared from yet another Wests Tigers match, but had a good excuse this time as he battles with concussion. Picture: Getty Images.
“Russell is still getting headaches now (Friday) two weeks after the incident,” said his manager, George Mimis.

“The scan earlier in the week was optimistic but he’s low on energy and still getting the headaches.”

Mimis doubted the injury could be career-ending, although a medical retirement would suit the Wests Tigers and free up a much-needed $700,000 in the club’s salary cap.



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“In 13 years of playing he’s had a number of head knocks but this is the first time he’s had issues,” Mimis said.

“I wouldn’t think his career is in jeopardy, though. “He’ll see a neurologist next week if the headaches haven’t gone away.”
 
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