GNR4LIFE
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@Tigerdave said:
They didn't ''admit it''. They claimed responsibility. And its not uncommon for Terrorist groups to claim responsibility for attacks they didn't carry out.
Paris under Terrorist attacks
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They didn't ''admit it''. They claimed responsibility. And its not uncommon for Terrorist groups to claim responsibility for attacks they didn't carry out.
@Pawsandclaws said:
Poverty and lack of education.
Keep them desperate and stupid and they'll hang off every word.
That's not to say anyone who is religious is stupid either, I imply that it is easier to radicalise the uneducated ones.
And good to hear you're OK Cobbs.
@Tigerdave said:
I think planning would have required intimate knowledge of the places they were attacking in order to maximise the body count. I think you'll find there'll be a few, if not most of them, will be French nationals. The two blokes that shot up Charlie Hebdo were French nationals. More proof that threat in Europe isn't so much from those being let in, rather those already there.
disempowered people do desperate things.its the nature of man.
the palestinians have been vigilant since 1948 when they lost their homeland. at the time peacekeepers thought it best to make two new countries,israel and jordan.
so what to do in this new crisis?
if violence isnt the answer,do isis want political power- ask them what they want-…....... they probably don't know.
the palestinians have been vigilant since 1948 when they lost their homeland. at the time peacekeepers thought it best to make two new countries,israel and jordan.
so what to do in this new crisis?
if violence isnt the answer,do isis want political power- ask them what they want-…....... they probably don't know.
Pretty sure I read somewhere that IS ties themselves into the Madhi and end times (i.e. the Prophetic Caliphate.) Would explain the spike in overseas attacks, drawing the West into what they would consider a final conflict in which the second coming of Isa (Jesus,) would assist the Madhi against the West (the anti-Christ.)
A whole load of tripe in my opinion, but it looks as though IS take it seriously enough which is the most frightening part. I assume the IS supporters see al-Baghdadi as the Madhi? Perhaps some of our Muslim members might be able to assist on this as I am not schooled up on Muslim doctrine.
A whole load of tripe in my opinion, but it looks as though IS take it seriously enough which is the most frightening part. I assume the IS supporters see al-Baghdadi as the Madhi? Perhaps some of our Muslim members might be able to assist on this as I am not schooled up on Muslim doctrine.
Tigerdave
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@GNR4LIFE said:
how is that not the same thing?
so IS is lying? this wasn't organised by a current group at all? just a pack of lone nutters? When have terrorist groups lied about attacks they didn't carry out?
Tigerdave
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@Cultured Bogan said:
They were, only 1 of those that carried out with these attacks were linked to refugees, the rest were home grown as I said.
Which doesn't mean that they couldn't be linked to IS
Tigerdave
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@eyewonder said:
they want a world caliphate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#Worldwide_caliphate_aims
@Tigerdave said:
Absolutely right, they can still take instruction from IS. It seems that these issues with domestic terrorism in European countries are not as simple as closing the borders, as they tend to be more likely homegrown rather than imported.
GNR4LIFE
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@Tigerdave said:
Because it's referred to as taking responsibility, not admitting.
@Tigerdave said:
Why Are Terrorist Claims of Responsibility So Hard to Verify?
Soon after the news of the attempted bombing of Times Square was reported, the Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack, according to news reports. Then a few days later the Pakistani Taliban retracted their claim.
Terrorist claims of responsibility released after the fact remain largely unreliable. The false claims of aspiring terrorists, the counter claims of competing radical groups and the decentralized nature of modern insurgencies makes those self-indicting claims almost completely untrustworthy.
Unlike most crimes, where the perpetrators try to conceal their connection to a crime, terrorists actually prosper by promoting their involvement with attacks, said Brian Jenkins, a senior adviser to the Rand Corporation and a terrorism expert. In fact, association with a successful attack can boost a group's infamy so effectively that terrorist organizations often claim responsibility for an operation they had nothing to do with, Jenkins said.
"Terrorism is primarily a form of communication. So in some cases, it's competitive, and then you have rival claims for a particular attack. In some cases there are false claims, where organizations take credit for operations they did not order to be carried out," Jenkins told Life's Little Mysteries.
Additionally, when a small group commits a terrorist act, they may falsely claim affiliation to a larger terrorist network. This works the other way around, too more well-known groups like al Qaeda may attempt to gain prestige by associating themselves with successful attacks carried out by largely independent cells, Jenkins said.
Sometimes, because terrorist organizations are so fractured and decentralized, one portion of a terrorist group will claim responsibility for a bombing while another faction of the same group denies involvement.
"We are talking about groups with a lot of divisions and members that are not tightly disciplined," Jenkins said.
However, there is one rare case where claims of responsibility can usually be taken at face value. In the case of suicide bombings, the bombers often make so-called "martyrdom videos", where they spell out their reasons committing their act and identify their allegiance. By and large, these videos are considered credible by intelligence services, Jenkins said.
http://www.livescience.com/32575-why-are-terrorist-claims-of-responsibility-so-hard-to-verify.html
Byron_Bay_Fan
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The indoctrination comes over the internet for free - history is coming back to bite many countries on the bum, plus current grudges
hammertime
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1) Stop all new Muslim immigration until all threats subside. This unfortunately impacts innocent asylum seekers, but we need to protect Australian citizens as the first priority.
2) Assist those asylum seekers by establishing protected camps and aid within their home countries or across borders in friendlier countries.
3) Work harder on integration with the wider Australian community for existing muslims. Need to work tirelessly with leaders in those communities.
4) Try to assist with a movement within the muslim community to strongly denounce these actions when they occur. The voices aren't loud enough at the moment to assist with subsiding anger towards the community.
5) Bomb the hell out of ISIS.
2) Assist those asylum seekers by establishing protected camps and aid within their home countries or across borders in friendlier countries.
3) Work harder on integration with the wider Australian community for existing muslims. Need to work tirelessly with leaders in those communities.
4) Try to assist with a movement within the muslim community to strongly denounce these actions when they occur. The voices aren't loud enough at the moment to assist with subsiding anger towards the community.
5) Bomb the hell out of ISIS.
Bombing will not achieve anything. Financial attrition is what is required. Cut their funding and they will fall almost overnight. Call the Saudis out on financing their Wahhabi expansionism as well.
Our reliance on oil is funding this. Filling up the car is the biggest contributor to financing ISIS.
Ground fighting and bombing is a stalemate that will result in a power vacuum once the West inevitably leaves.
Our reliance on oil is funding this. Filling up the car is the biggest contributor to financing ISIS.
Ground fighting and bombing is a stalemate that will result in a power vacuum once the West inevitably leaves.
GNR4LIFE
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Maybe we should listen to this twit on Fox News.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC5iP2LFsM0
Yes because bombing them will solve the issue. There won't be any retaliations will there 😕
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC5iP2LFsM0
Yes because bombing them will solve the issue. There won't be any retaliations will there 😕
GNR4LIFE
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@hammertime said:
And how does that solve the issue?
hammertime
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@GNR4LIFE said:
ummmm… not sure GNR.
Maybe we could just drop bunches of roses and lollipops on them in hope that they stop their social media campaigns and brainwashing to our disenfranchised youth to go blow themselves up?
or maybe we get a bunch of guys to go over there, hold their hands around a circle and try singing kum-by-ya? Maybe that will stop them spreading their hate across borders and into our community?
hammertime
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@Cultured Bogan said:
How much funding do you think it takes to make a series of youtube videos and arm someone with a AK47?
Paris would have happened with a few thousand dollars. 9/11 the same.
Sure, it's a factor. But cutting financing won't stop a ideological cult.
@hammertime said:
Might stop the one or two disenfranchised white kids running off and joining ISIS, but it creates hundreds to thousands of potential recruits whose civilian family members are killed by indiscriminate bombing. We've gone into the Middle East chasing shadows before, and now we're left with the by-product (ISIS.)
Violence is a stalemate, these guys have already shown they're willing to go past the horror of war to bring their agenda about.
GNR4LIFE
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@hammertime said:
Ok, think of a bomb as a seed. When you drop the seed, what will grow out of it is more hate and insurgents. You bomb them, they will bomb you back. And suppose you kill them, what of the millions around the world who will retaliate. I'm not being PC here saying its wrong, because if it works, do it, but it doesn't, its been proven. I don't know what the answer is, but ''bombing ISIS'' isn't. Anyone who thinks it will end this is as naive as you can get.
