Parra.....The aftermath

[Spud_Murphy]

Is there any way of getting the stats for the six agains given?

You can look here:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/match-centre/NRL20201101/stats

Cheers Fibro. I’m a bit surprised looking at that, it says it was only 3-2 to Parra! Could’ve sworn they had more than 3 in the second half alone.

 

[Telltails]

Parra 11 errors Wests Tigers 12. Penalties 8 - 2.
Full strength Parra injury ravaged WTs - we did alright against the odds.

Is there any way of getting the stats for the six agains given?

3- 2 to Parra according to Foxsports. 59% to 41% possession in the second half.

 

[Tcat]

But on the plus side here is a zinger from a Slimers fan.....

*The Wests Tigers are a mungral team in the same calibre of Penrith, both of which suffer from an inferiority complex of Parramatta.*

hahahahaha

Shut up Mitchell. You shouldn't be writing in the Parra forum. Concentrate on learning how to tackle.

 

[Sart0ri]

Tigers dropped the ball quite a bit when they were chasing points towards the end

 

[wet tiger coloured bird]

if brookes was in full back gillard would not score. if brookes was in full back moses may not have scored. if a retiring benji is the best on the field then that says alot about our halves recuitment.

 

[Newton]

if brookes was in full back gillard would not score. if brookes was in full back moses may not have scored. if a retiring benji is the best on the field then that says alot about our halves recuitment.

Yeah and **if** my Aunty had balls she'd be my Uncle.

**If** Brooks played at fullback we may have lost by 20

 

[happy_tiger]

Shouldn’t be defending there …end of story

When the attacking team is close to the line there is no chance that a single person can defend the 60m width of the field behind the defensive line. If you put 2 players back, you are defending 13 with 11 so there will be overlaps and there will still be gaps for 2 people covering 30m each.

That is why *all* teams have the fullback in the line when they are defending inside their 10m zone.

A faster fullback has more of a chance, if you had a fullback that is only fast like Alex Johnson you lose a lot in attack. Tedesco, RTS and Turbo are great all round fullbacks, but we can't have them.

You cover the 3rd of the field that the ball is in ...then start covering for the kick after the 4th

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We were missing Garner / BJ /Twal /Musgrove/Mikaele and we ended up with one on the bench and we lost by 10

The effort given the players we had missing is not the issue.

The issue is that we let ourselves down too often with poor completions and poor discipline. And we have done it against every top side we have played, irrespective of who we have in the team.

Against the Raiders, for example, BJ, Twal, Musgrove and Mikaele were all playing. But it was the same story. We led at half time, but our second half was poor: we were caned in the penalties, completed poorly, Packer was sent to the bin and they scored the winning try.

Our discipline against the Panthers was even worse. The Panthers got more penalties in the second half than we normally get in two whole games of football.

In the past 7 matches we have had three players sent to the bin for foul play and four suspensions. It's not good enough.

We are living on scraps when we compete against the top teams, and we can never hope to win until we improve our discipline and completions.

I agree a little with what you say. The 1%ers are as key as the onfield leadership.
I think the referees are making it hard for us because we're a team known to do it to ourselves.

Found Mbye taking the 2 was the easy option.
Madge has frequently addressed our failure at mounting pressure on the opposition, and this is where our boys are stuck on a loop - by doing the same mistakes that continue to let themselves and us down.

I agree that taking the two was the soft option..... tap and go to build the pressure because while we might not get the 4 points, the two aren't a given for us either and the build up of defensive pressure works later down the track

You’ll struggle to find a team who won’t take the 2 when they are 6 ahead. Remember when Moses copped it when he took the quick tap against Parra when we were up by 12 on Easter Monday a few years ago? We ended up losing that game. It’s almost malpractice to not take the 2 when it will put you up beyond another try.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Goalkicking ...Mbye needs to back himself..he punches at his kicks that are close to the sticks and probably explains why he pulls them

Back 3 Douehi made some really bad fundamental full back errors ..don't they teach fundamental golden rules of playing at the back anymore

The RCG TRY was so unforgivable on so many levels ...you never assume someone will be tied up ...maybe they under rated Davey

Mbye is solid kicker, but only from the right side! Percentage of his conversions from the left are down by 50%.

Re: tackles, I like that old saying applicable here 'someone else plays for the opposition'!

He's a left footer, struggles to kick across the posts.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

I feel like Parra could be on the slide. The way the Dogs have muscled up the last couple of weeks, an upset could be on the cards.

 

[cochise]

Goalkicking ...Mbye needs to back himself..he punches at his kicks that are close to the sticks and probably explains why he pulls them

Back 3 Douehi made some really bad fundamental full back errors ..don't they teach fundamental golden rules of playing at the back anymore

The RCG TRY was so unforgivable on so many levels ...you never assume someone will be tied up ...maybe they under rated Davey

Mbye is solid kicker, but only from the right side! Percentage of his conversions from the left are down by 50%.

Re: tackles, I like that old saying applicable here 'someone else plays for the opposition'!

He's a left footer, struggles to kick across the posts.

That's why I think Benji should kick from the left and Mbye the right.

 

[fibrodreaming]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

I agree with the thrust of your post; however, you don't really address my main concern.

I was not disappointed with our effort in the games against the Panthers and Parra. I was disappointed with our discipline and execution.

Losing players (especially one's full back) is disruptive no doubt. But that does not excuse us conceding 8 penalties for the match (Parra conceded 2) and completing 10 of 17 sets in the second half (Parra completed 20).

At the back end of the game, when we got some field position, we certainly worried them. There was some very slick back line play from Brooks and Mybe to get Talau over the line.

We can compete against the best teams when we get our share of the ball but, so far, we are making too many errors and giving away too many penalties to give ourselves the chance.

 

[Telltails]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

I agree with the thrust of your post; however, you don't really address my main concern.

I was not disappointed with our effort in the games against the Panthers and Parra. I was disappointed with our discipline and execution.

Losing players (especially one's full back) is disruptive no doubt. But that does not excuse us conceding 8 penalties for the match (Parra conceded 2) and completing 10 of 17 sets in the second half (Parra completed 20).

At the back end of the game, when we got some field position, we certainly worried them. There was some very slick back line play from Brooks and Mybe to get Talau over the line.

We can compete against the best teams when we get our share of the ball but, so far, we are making too many errors and giving away too many penalties to give ourselves the chance.

Your argument is based on the referees being always correct in penalizing us for our undisciplined play, opposed to our opposition not being as undisciplined as us. Based on the number of errors the referees are continually exposed of the lopsided penalty counts against us would suggest that there maybe just as much error on their part - yet we have no control over that.

 

[cochise]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

I agree with the thrust of your post; however, you don't really address my main concern.

I was not disappointed with our effort in the games against the Panthers and Parra. I was disappointed with our discipline and execution.

Losing players (especially one's full back) is disruptive no doubt. But that does not excuse us conceding 8 penalties for the match (Parra conceded 2) and completing 10 of 17 sets in the second half (Parra completed 20).

At the back end of the game, when we got some field position, we certainly worried them. There was some very slick back line play from Brooks and Mybe to get Talau over the line.

We can compete against the best teams when we get our share of the ball but, so far, we are making too many errors and giving away too many penalties to give ourselves the chance.

Your argument is based on the referees being always correct in penalizing us for our undisciplined play, opposed to our opposition not being as undisciplined as us. Based on the number of errors the referees are continually exposed of the lopsided penalty counts against us would suggest that there maybe just as much error on their part - yet we have no control over that.

Blaming refs is a futile argument because as you said we have no control over that, so let's focus on the areas that let us down that we do have control over.

 

[Telltails]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

I agree with the thrust of your post; however, you don't really address my main concern.

I was not disappointed with our effort in the games against the Panthers and Parra. I was disappointed with our discipline and execution.

Losing players (especially one's full back) is disruptive no doubt. But that does not excuse us conceding 8 penalties for the match (Parra conceded 2) and completing 10 of 17 sets in the second half (Parra completed 20).

At the back end of the game, when we got some field position, we certainly worried them. There was some very slick back line play from Brooks and Mybe to get Talau over the line.

We can compete against the best teams when we get our share of the ball but, so far, we are making too many errors and giving away too many penalties to give ourselves the chance.

Your argument is based on the referees being always correct in penalizing us for our undisciplined play, opposed to our opposition not being as undisciplined as us. Based on the number of errors the referees are continually exposed of the lopsided penalty counts against us would suggest that there maybe just as much error on their part - yet we have no control over that.

Blaming refs is a futile argument because as you said we have no control over that, so let's focus on the areas that let us down that we do have control over.

We have been - but all teams in a close contest will struggle against a top team an 8- 2 penalty count and only 14 men.

 

[Russell]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

I agree with the thrust of your post; however, you don't really address my main concern.

I was not disappointed with our effort in the games against the Panthers and Parra. I was disappointed with our discipline and execution.

Losing players (especially one's full back) is disruptive no doubt. But that does not excuse us conceding 8 penalties for the match (Parra conceded 2) and completing 10 of 17 sets in the second half (Parra completed 20).

At the back end of the game, when we got some field position, we certainly worried them. There was some very slick back line play from Brooks and Mybe to get Talau over the line.

We can compete against the best teams when we get our share of the ball but, so far, we are making too many errors and giving away too many penalties to give ourselves the chance.

Your argument is based on the referees being always correct in penalizing us for our undisciplined play, opposed to our opposition not being as undisciplined as us. Based on the number of errors the referees are continually exposed of the lopsided penalty counts against us would suggest that there maybe just as much error on their part - yet we have no control over that.

Blaming refs is a futile argument because as you said we have no control over that, so let's focus on the areas that let us down that we do have control over.

Ok. that's fine.

I'd be happy to go down on record as saying ....

If we played an 80 minute game against the Rorters (I think one of the most penalised teams in the comp) and we were perfect.
i.e. made no errors, and committed no indiscretions for the whole 80 minutes and officiated by any of the referees.

We would still lose the penalty count and the 6 again count.

How do you fix that?

 

[cochise]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

I agree with the thrust of your post; however, you don't really address my main concern.

I was not disappointed with our effort in the games against the Panthers and Parra. I was disappointed with our discipline and execution.

Losing players (especially one's full back) is disruptive no doubt. But that does not excuse us conceding 8 penalties for the match (Parra conceded 2) and completing 10 of 17 sets in the second half (Parra completed 20).

At the back end of the game, when we got some field position, we certainly worried them. There was some very slick back line play from Brooks and Mybe to get Talau over the line.

We can compete against the best teams when we get our share of the ball but, so far, we are making too many errors and giving away too many penalties to give ourselves the chance.

Your argument is based on the referees being always correct in penalizing us for our undisciplined play, opposed to our opposition not being as undisciplined as us. Based on the number of errors the referees are continually exposed of the lopsided penalty counts against us would suggest that there maybe just as much error on their part - yet we have no control over that.

Blaming refs is a futile argument because as you said we have no control over that, so let's focus on the areas that let us down that we do have control over.

Ok. that's fine.

I'd be happy to go down on record as saying ....

If we played an 80 minute game against the Rorters (I think one of the most penalised teams in the comp) and we were perfect.
i.e. made no errors, and committed no indiscretions for the whole 80 minutes and officiated by any of the referees.

We would still lose the penalty count and the 6 again count.

How do you fix that?

People say that the bigger teams get all the calls go there way, then become one of the bigger teams. I will state that fans of every club in every sport I follow claim to be treated unfairly. I have never heard one fan in any sport consistently say that they are treated fairly.

 

[Russell]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

I agree with the thrust of your post; however, you don't really address my main concern.

I was not disappointed with our effort in the games against the Panthers and Parra. I was disappointed with our discipline and execution.

Losing players (especially one's full back) is disruptive no doubt. But that does not excuse us conceding 8 penalties for the match (Parra conceded 2) and completing 10 of 17 sets in the second half (Parra completed 20).

At the back end of the game, when we got some field position, we certainly worried them. There was some very slick back line play from Brooks and Mybe to get Talau over the line.

We can compete against the best teams when we get our share of the ball but, so far, we are making too many errors and giving away too many penalties to give ourselves the chance.

Your argument is based on the referees being always correct in penalizing us for our undisciplined play, opposed to our opposition not being as undisciplined as us. Based on the number of errors the referees are continually exposed of the lopsided penalty counts against us would suggest that there maybe just as much error on their part - yet we have no control over that.

Blaming refs is a futile argument because as you said we have no control over that, so let's focus on the areas that let us down that we do have control over.

Ok. that's fine.

I'd be happy to go down on record as saying ....

If we played an 80 minute game against the Rorters (I think one of the most penalised teams in the comp) and we were perfect.
i.e. made no errors, and committed no indiscretions for the whole 80 minutes and officiated by any of the referees.

We would still lose the penalty count and the 6 again count.

How do you fix that?

People say that the bigger teams get all the calls go there way, then become one of the bigger teams. I will state that fans of every club in every sport I follow claim to be treated unfairly. I have never heard one fan in any sport consistently say that they are treated fairly.

I think we are working on being one of the bigger teams.

So I think we are focusing on problem areas.

The biggest problem as you know is getting rid of some dead wood and replacing them with a few top liners.

Until then we won't be one of the bigger teams so will keep getting hit by the refs because we aren't.

Catch 22 at the moment.

 

[cochise]

Our performance against Parra has left me feeling pretty disappointed.

We learnt nothing new about the team but witnessed the continuation of a worrying trend – that is, we can’t go with the top teams for the full 80 minutes.

The best we can do is compete for 40 minutes but then poor discipline and incomplete sets mean we are defending grimly for the other 40 minutes.

In the second half, Parra had 60% of the ball and had 6 times the number of tackles in our 20 and they completed over 70% more sets than us.

We have been caned in the penalties against the Titans, Raiders, Panthers, Souths and now the Eels.
It doesn’t have to be that way. Other teams can cop a flogging and still not give away an avalanche of penalties and set restarts and also maintain a decent completion rate. For example, check out the stats for the Broncos for the last two weeks. They have been beaten 94 – 8 and yet their discipline and execution have been OK given the circumstances. They have been flogged by teams playing better football, not because the officials gave their opponents a leg-up.

If we can’t get at least 50% of the ball, then I don’t see us worrying any of the top teams. (In fact since the resumption we have only enjoyed 50% or more ball in two games, and it won’t take much insight to work out who our opponents were).

Find me a team that can have two players down for 40 minutes (one spine position too,) and compete for 80. Even Easts and Melbourne would struggle with the new rules.

As soon as Doueihi went down the game was gone. We were fielding a spare parts pack as it was. They did well to make it a respectable scoreline. Parra should have scored 30 points in the second half. They didn't. There are more worrying signs for Parramatta than for Wests.

We aren't without problems, you will get no argument from me there, we are still on the improve have yet to hit our ceiling. Games like Penrith, Parra in years gone by with injuries on the bench we'd have laid down and conceded 40 points. We've managed to lose by 8 to first place, and 10 to second place with a vastly inferior roster than either of them. Madge's efforts are starting to be impressed upon the squad. Nofoaluma was dropped last year, has come back to be one of the in form wingers, Benji and Reynolds have both been dropped and stood up when promoted. Packer has come back out of necessity but has been better for being dropped. Time will tell for Brooks.

I agree with the thrust of your post; however, you don't really address my main concern.

I was not disappointed with our effort in the games against the Panthers and Parra. I was disappointed with our discipline and execution.

Losing players (especially one's full back) is disruptive no doubt. But that does not excuse us conceding 8 penalties for the match (Parra conceded 2) and completing 10 of 17 sets in the second half (Parra completed 20).

At the back end of the game, when we got some field position, we certainly worried them. There was some very slick back line play from Brooks and Mybe to get Talau over the line.

We can compete against the best teams when we get our share of the ball but, so far, we are making too many errors and giving away too many penalties to give ourselves the chance.

Your argument is based on the referees being always correct in penalizing us for our undisciplined play, opposed to our opposition not being as undisciplined as us. Based on the number of errors the referees are continually exposed of the lopsided penalty counts against us would suggest that there maybe just as much error on their part - yet we have no control over that.

Blaming refs is a futile argument because as you said we have no control over that, so let's focus on the areas that let us down that we do have control over.

Ok. that's fine.

I'd be happy to go down on record as saying ....

If we played an 80 minute game against the Rorters (I think one of the most penalised teams in the comp) and we were perfect.
i.e. made no errors, and committed no indiscretions for the whole 80 minutes and officiated by any of the referees.

We would still lose the penalty count and the 6 again count.

How do you fix that?

People say that the bigger teams get all the calls go there way, then become one of the bigger teams. I will state that fans of every club in every sport I follow claim to be treated unfairly. I have never heard one fan in any sport consistently say that they are treated fairly.

I think we are working on being one of the bigger teams.

So I think we are focusing on problem areas.

The biggest problem as you know is getting rid of some dead wood and replacing them with a few top liners.

Until then we won't be one of the bigger teams so will keep getting hit by the refs because we aren't.

Catch 22 at the moment.

We can't blame anyone else for us not being one of the bigger teams though, that falls squarely on our club. I too believe we may finally be starting to move to being one of the bigger teams, I still need to see more to be convinced we are moving in the right direction. We have had periods in the past where we have looked good for 5 or 6 weeks only to revert to what we have all seen before. I won't be convinced until we are playing finals football.