cochise
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I don't know what would be in the contract to allow us to get out of it. We got in this mess by trying to force a player to leave who was entitled to the value of his contract that we signed with him.
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I don't know what would be in the contract to allow us to get out of it. We got in this mess by trying to force a player to leave who was entitled to the value of his contract that we signed with him.
gallagher
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Pascoe mentioned it in numerous newspaper reports but you think Taylor reported it?
GNR4LIFE
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I was feeling alright, thinking this wasn’t such a big deal, till you mentioned THAT. The air has been sucked out of the room now.
innsaneink
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Yeah… I'm not following newtown
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Wests Tigers facing salary cap punishment over Robbie Farah deal
By Andrew Webster
18 December 2018 — 12:00am
The Wests Tigers are bracing themselves for a heavy reprimand from the NRL over an alleged salary cap breach involving a lucrative post-career ambassador role for favourite son Robbie Farah.
The Herald can reveal the integrity unit will hand down the findings of its two-month investigation into the Farah deal when the ARL Commission meets at League Central on Tuesday.
At the same meeting, NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg will advise the commission if it should sanction Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan, who could possibly be sensationally deregistered over allegations he had contact with the club while serving a one-year suspension in 2014 in relation to the peptides scandal.
While the integrity unit’s findings into further salary cap breaches at Cronulla won’t be handed down until next year, the Tigers are resigned to receiving a breach notice for their deal with Farah.
The NRL has been investigating an undeclared arrangement worth more than $400,000 over four years promised to Farah during his ugly departure from the Tigers in 2016.
It is understood Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe offered the ambassador role to Farah as a show of goodwill as Farah was pushed out of the club because of a fallout with then coach Jason Taylor, who was sacked in early 2017.
As a former captain, life member and player who had made more than 200 appearances for the Tigers, Pascoe believed it was the respectful thing to do by the NSW Origin hooker.
Farah ultimately left and joined South Sydney, with the Tigers forced to pay $750,000 of his whopping $900,000 salary for the 2017 season.
He made a fairytale return to the Tigers midway through last season, played his 250th match and will now line up next year alongside long-time teammate Benji Marshall for one final season.
There is no suggestion that Farah or his agent, Sam Ayoub, have done anything wrong. Nevertheless, the Tigers are preparing themselves for a significant breach notice to be handed to them this week.
They are angry because Farah has not accepted the deal and it has had no influence on their salary cap. Their only mistake was not declaring it to the NRL — because they didn’t know they had to.
The NRL is under intense scrutiny about claims of an unfair playing field with some clubs in a better position than others to pay players outside the salary cap, which increases to $9.6 million next season.
Recent salary cap scandals involving Parramatta, Manly and now a looming crisis involving the Sharks means head office is being exceptionally vigilant about illegal payments.
Last week, in the name of greater transparency, the NRL took the unprecedented move of making public the total value of each club's third-party agreements — although chief operating officer Nick Weeks ruled out disclosing the value of individual player contracts.
The revelations concerning the Tigers come as the Sharks ready themselves for the prospect of heading into 2019 without knowing who their coach is.
Flanagan was at training on Monday and is understood to be unhappy about details of an alleged breach being leaked to the media.
He and his manager, Wayne Beavis, have not been contacted by the NRL since reports last week surfaced about his likely deregistration.
Neither the NRL, Tigers nor Farah would comment when contacted.
By Andrew Webster
18 December 2018 — 12:00am
The Wests Tigers are bracing themselves for a heavy reprimand from the NRL over an alleged salary cap breach involving a lucrative post-career ambassador role for favourite son Robbie Farah.
The Herald can reveal the integrity unit will hand down the findings of its two-month investigation into the Farah deal when the ARL Commission meets at League Central on Tuesday.
At the same meeting, NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg will advise the commission if it should sanction Cronulla coach Shane Flanagan, who could possibly be sensationally deregistered over allegations he had contact with the club while serving a one-year suspension in 2014 in relation to the peptides scandal.
While the integrity unit’s findings into further salary cap breaches at Cronulla won’t be handed down until next year, the Tigers are resigned to receiving a breach notice for their deal with Farah.
The NRL has been investigating an undeclared arrangement worth more than $400,000 over four years promised to Farah during his ugly departure from the Tigers in 2016.
It is understood Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe offered the ambassador role to Farah as a show of goodwill as Farah was pushed out of the club because of a fallout with then coach Jason Taylor, who was sacked in early 2017.
As a former captain, life member and player who had made more than 200 appearances for the Tigers, Pascoe believed it was the respectful thing to do by the NSW Origin hooker.
Farah ultimately left and joined South Sydney, with the Tigers forced to pay $750,000 of his whopping $900,000 salary for the 2017 season.
He made a fairytale return to the Tigers midway through last season, played his 250th match and will now line up next year alongside long-time teammate Benji Marshall for one final season.
There is no suggestion that Farah or his agent, Sam Ayoub, have done anything wrong. Nevertheless, the Tigers are preparing themselves for a significant breach notice to be handed to them this week.
They are angry because Farah has not accepted the deal and it has had no influence on their salary cap. Their only mistake was not declaring it to the NRL — because they didn’t know they had to.
The NRL is under intense scrutiny about claims of an unfair playing field with some clubs in a better position than others to pay players outside the salary cap, which increases to $9.6 million next season.
Recent salary cap scandals involving Parramatta, Manly and now a looming crisis involving the Sharks means head office is being exceptionally vigilant about illegal payments.
Last week, in the name of greater transparency, the NRL took the unprecedented move of making public the total value of each club's third-party agreements — although chief operating officer Nick Weeks ruled out disclosing the value of individual player contracts.
The revelations concerning the Tigers come as the Sharks ready themselves for the prospect of heading into 2019 without knowing who their coach is.
Flanagan was at training on Monday and is understood to be unhappy about details of an alleged breach being leaked to the media.
He and his manager, Wayne Beavis, have not been contacted by the NRL since reports last week surfaced about his likely deregistration.
Neither the NRL, Tigers nor Farah would comment when contacted.
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They found another 3rd party deal. And Keno was probably moved to another player. Cleary for this coming year perhaps.
Seems rubbish how Flanagan is found in breach of his suspension that already past and nothing will come of it despite every media mogul discussing it and an undisclosed cap payment for a job that hasn’t yet been worked is likey to cost us a cap penalty next year and who knows what else.
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He has none. Farah is back at the Tigers where he wants to be, he'd have told Ayoub to stay away from it.
If they belt us and Flanagan gets off, it will only prove that the NRL is there to ensure a select few clubs get off while the battler clubs get smashed.
Is there a formal offer and formal acceptance? I would have thought anything that would have been binding would have been submitted by contract? If it's not in his release to Souffs, or his contract when he returned Wests could just simply claim there was no acceptance of the offer?
The_Patriot
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Exactly.
Just Spuds dislike of Ayoub at play here.
Ayoub may be many things but he would have nothing to do with this.
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I think you are close to answering the only way this could have been an issue. The current contract that we had to pay out Farah at the end of the 2016 season was already listed on the books. Now if we paid only a portion of that contract to Farah with the promise of a job after he retires then at that moment it would of had to be disclosed in the cap.
However this is about 2015 which was mid Farah contract and there is also no way Ayoub would have allowed Farah to leave with a portion of his payout being a good grace offer.
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Ahhhhh I have my years mixed up, I keep thinking 2016 when we let him go to Souths.
I suppose if it was part of a contract to re-sign him, that's an inducement and would have to be covered.
Picked up from that 2015 article link posted earlier:
_On his return in 2019, Farah would take up an off-field role with the club as a Wests Tigers ambassador - a similar position to that performed by Anthony Minichiello for Sydney Roosters or Wendell Sailor for St George Illawarra.\
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The NRL has no problems with clubs offering ambassadorial roles to star players for life after football but would monitor the deals to ensure they were not paid less during the final years of their playing career or paid excessively for their new jobs in retirement._
So we were still paying out some $750K for him to play elsewhere in 2016, hardly paying unders? If what is written here is indeed legitimate, well then by the NRL's own standards there should be no issue here? And if I recall correctly, he was paid more because he took a pay cut earlier in his career. So it definitely doesn't stand against what is written here.
_On his return in 2019, Farah would take up an off-field role with the club as a Wests Tigers ambassador - a similar position to that performed by Anthony Minichiello for Sydney Roosters or Wendell Sailor for St George Illawarra.\
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The NRL has no problems with clubs offering ambassadorial roles to star players for life after football but would monitor the deals to ensure they were not paid less during the final years of their playing career or paid excessively for their new jobs in retirement._
So we were still paying out some $750K for him to play elsewhere in 2016, hardly paying unders? If what is written here is indeed legitimate, well then by the NRL's own standards there should be no issue here? And if I recall correctly, he was paid more because he took a pay cut earlier in his career. So it definitely doesn't stand against what is written here.
diedpretty
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It can only be a breach if he accepted it and a contract was drawn up for the ambassador role. Wests are denying he accepted the offer and therefore there was nothing to declare. To back this up Farah went to Souths on a 900k contract with Wests footing 750k which would suggest they were paying his full contract amount.
old_man_tiger
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If we cop a small fine, sure whatever. If we lose staff over this I'll be livid at whoever makes that decision, be it the board or the NRL. Absolutely nothing in it.
Talk about a storm in a tea cup … but wait the CEO has to be sacked ! I sometimes wonder about the thought processes on this forum at times and this does include myself sometimes.
These things happen from time to time an oversite ? A fine by the NRL and move on.,,.it is a bit of nit picking IMO by the NRL this particular incident does not give the club an advantage over another club salary cap wise,the NRL should be more protective of clubs that actually make a profit as there are not to many !
These things happen from time to time an oversite ? A fine by the NRL and move on.,,.it is a bit of nit picking IMO by the NRL this particular incident does not give the club an advantage over another club salary cap wise,the NRL should be more protective of clubs that actually make a profit as there are not to many !
