Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[Fade_To_Black]

I've discussed this with plenty of people who support other clubs and they all agree on two things…
1\. The Tigers were hard done by.
2\. The game has become a joke with Greenberg and that other buffoon Beattie at the helm.

We need to somehow turn all this fan frustration across most clubs into some sort of statement against the current NRL HQ administration. A massive rally through the streets to the doorstep of NRL HQ would surely garner enough support and media interest to really put the heat on the fat belly of Greenberg and force questions to be made of this bloke who is an embarrassment to our game with his agenda's and incompetence.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Take them to court, get them to explain how easts and Brisbane are cap compliant, get the salaries released, and lets see what they are supposedly getting paid

I'd like to know where the exorbitent amounts of money generated by the NRL are being allocated. Wouldn't surprise to see Toddy skimming a bit into his own retirement slush fund. Where is all this money from the "war chest" they supposedly had laying around a few years ago? Haven't heard about that truckload of cash for a while now, wonder where it disappeared to?

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Not often I agree with him but in this instance I'd love for it to happen.
https://twitter.com/BuzzRothfield/status/1076445860186095617?s=19

I wonder how thoroughly the NRL checked Todd's emails around the time of the Ryan Tandy betting scandal? He was quite knowledgable about plenty of goings-on regarding Tandy's gambling problems judging by the Ryan Tandy book released a few years ago. Shonky Todd.

 

[JD Tiger]

I imagine it would be hard to organise a rally, getting people interested enough AND then getting them to attend. Internet petitions don't even get that high numbers, and all people have to do is write their own name and click.

I would seriously happily throw some money into a 'fund', which would go to a person (or persons) who can provide sufficient evidence of Mr Todd Greenburg in underhanded dealings resulting in him being stood down (or forced to resign as I think the snake would).

$20, how's that for a start. Merry Christmas Justin.

Edit: Make it $50.

 

[WT2K]

Not often I agree with him but in this instance I'd love for it to happen.
https://twitter.com/BuzzRothfield/status/1076445860186095617?s=19

I wonder how thoroughly the NRL checked Todd's emails around the time of the Ryan Tandy betting scandal? He was quite knowledgable about plenty of goings-on regarding Tandy's gambling problems judging by the Ryan Tandy book released a few years ago. Shonky Todd.

Plenty of skeletons that good old Todd wouldn't want coming out. I for one would love a program like 4 corners or something to uncover Shonky Todd.

 

[Oxygen]

Pascoe legal team is hoping to have the ban lifted to three months only the Tigers believe they are being made a example of due to all the bad press with players and salary cap rorting.

It really does suck when one club in particular that constantly gets the best draw, has a smorgasbord of third party agreements and is always rorting the cap , this is how they do it the sponsors take the players to play golf on each hole they have bets of around 20 to 50k the players never loose the hole being played with sponsors coughing up the cash to the players.

 

[newtiger]

Not often I agree with him but in this instance I'd love for it to happen.
https://twitter.com/BuzzRothfield/status/1076445860186095617?s=19

I wonder how thoroughly the NRL checked Todd's emails around the time of the Ryan Tandy betting scandal? He was quite knowledgable about plenty of goings-on regarding Tandy's gambling problems judging by the Ryan Tandy book released a few years ago. Shonky Todd.

Plenty of skeletons that good old Todd wouldn't want coming out. I for one would love a program like 4 corners or something to uncover Shonky Todd.

That's why there were not sanctions against player managers over the Parramatta salary cap breach.
The managers threatened to expose all Todd's shonky dealings at the Dogs.

 

[the_third]

Time for a royal commission… Andrew gee surely can’t escape that

 

[supercoach]

Pascoe legal team is hoping to have the ban lifted to three months only the Tigers believe they are being made a example of due to all the bad press with players and salary cap rorting.

It really does suck when one club in particular that constantly gets the best draw, has a smorgasbord of third party agreements and is always rorting the cap , this is how they do it the sponsors take the players to play golf on each hole they have bets of around 20 to 50k the players never loose the hole being played with sponsors coughing up the cash to the players.

I would be surprised Pascoe’s legal team would be asking for a reduction in the ban. That would be admitting guilt but asking for a lesser punishment. They should be going for a total retraction of the judgement and than if that fails start looking at a deal.

 

[colmcd]

I still think there is a basic conflict between WT and NRL in this situation. WT say no contract signed, NRL say there is one. NRL say contract hidden off site, WT have not said explicitly but if they're correct and contract offer from 2015 that wasn't signed by Farah, what is their obligation to store on site was the unsigned contract stores offsite with other 2015 records? A normal business practice made out in a bad light by the NRL.

Depending on the unknown facts of the contract one way or the other either WT have the NRL over a barrel or the other way around. Provided WT management have now seen the contract in question and are satisfied its not signed, take situation out of NRL hands, go to court and put an injunction on the start of 2019 season commencing and any further recruitment by any club since WT can't fairly recruit in these circumstances, and seek damages against the NRL, Neil Weeks and Todd Greenburg. FIGHT THEM.

Edit- we go to court because we can't trust the impartiality and honesty of decision making by the NRL management at this stage of events. If we accept sanction and ask for reduction of fines that means we accept their interpretation of signed contract, hidden records and malfeasance of our CEO.

Wow, now that's interesting.
I don't know the story well enough. But if that is the case, lets challenge it.

 

[prattenparkchild]

Mate, it gets down to the reality and status of the contract unsigned or signed and where it was kept. If signed and kept off site hidden or otherwise we are screwed, if less than that situation we have grounds to argue.

edit- the Chair and board of WT have said that the contract was unsigned and will 'vigorously defend' the issue. How can they then accept the NRL version of contract signed and hidden. Something very, very odd here. Not arguing over semantics but actually whether signed or not. I think the contract offer should be released to the public. If unsigned by both parties, the NRL will look to be idiots. If signed WT deserve the odium and punishment.

 

[JD Tiger]

Mate, it gets down to the reality and status of the contract unsigned or signed and where it was kept. If signed and kept off site hidden or otherwise we are screwed, if less than that situation we have grounds to argue.

edit- the Chair and board of WT have said that the contract was unsigned and will 'vigorously defend' the issue. How can they then accept the NRL version of contract signed and hidden. Something very, very odd here. Not arguing over semantics but actually whether signed or not. I think the contract offer should be released to the public. If unsigned by both parties, the NRL will look to be idiots. If signed WT deserve the odium and punishment.

NRL seem to think they have the goods on us. Could the thing be signed by one party (possibly WT?) and not the other party (Robbie)? Even if so though, a contract signed by one party still doesn't hold water, surely that would be akin to a contract not signed at all by anyone,

I don't understand how they can come out so hard on us if they don't have the evidence to back it up. But I believe WT version. I hope we do find out what happened, either way.

 

[innsaneink]

not likely gunna hear anything for a couple of week with all Christmas/new years breaks

 

[Swordy]

I have absolutely no idea and I'm just guessing, but I wonder if the tigers submitted to Ayoub a letter of offer to employ Farah at retirement. For Ayoub, that is good enough to lock the tigers into an agreement without his clients signature, but to the NRL, it's a letter of offer which is probably required to be disclosed.

The argument could be that the tigers don't need to disclose anything because it hasn't bee1n agreed to. Simple. Or maybe not so simple.

Anyone ?

 

[hammertime]

I have absolutely no idea and I'm just guessing, but I wonder if the tigers submitted to Ayoub a letter of offer to employ Farah at retirement. For Ayoub, that is good enough to lock the tigers into an agreement without his clients signature, but to the NRL, it's a letter of offer which is probably required to be disclosed.

The argument could be that the tigers don't need to disclose anything because it hasn't bee1n agreed to. Simple. Or maybe not so simple.

Anyone ?

To me it sounded like a contract with an option, much like they do with the players. However, that would have probably required Robbie's signature.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I have absolutely no idea and I'm just guessing, but I wonder if the tigers submitted to Ayoub a letter of offer to employ Farah at retirement. For Ayoub, that is good enough to lock the tigers into an agreement without his clients signature, but to the NRL, it's a letter of offer which is probably required to be disclosed.

The argument could be that the tigers don't need to disclose anything because it hasn't bee1n agreed to. Simple. Or maybe not so simple.

Anyone ?

Pretty sure for a contract to be valid there needs to be and offer and acceptance. Nelson sounds like he's a legal eagle so maybe he can confirm or refute that.

 

[Donald_Trump]

I have absolutely no idea and I'm just guessing, but I wonder if the tigers submitted to Ayoub a letter of offer to employ Farah at retirement. For Ayoub, that is good enough to lock the tigers into an agreement without his clients signature, but to the NRL, it's a letter of offer which is probably required to be disclosed.

The argument could be that the tigers don't need to disclose anything because it hasn't bee1n agreed to. Simple. Or maybe not so simple.

Anyone ?

Pretty sure for a contract to be valid there needs to be and offer and acceptance. Nelson sounds like he's a legal eagle so maybe he can confirm or refute that.

If there is no contract that can be located then the whole thing is hearsay. My word against yours which means jack.

Even if they locate a letter of offer and is not duly executed, again it is not binding. A letter of offer is similar to a heads of agreement. This is the high level contract negotiations before the actual contract is negotiated and signed by both.

If the letter stipulates it is for a role not playing football I can’t see the problem. I can’t see a problem either if it has no commencement date.

If WT challenge the NRL and win then the Tigers and Pascoe should sue the NRL. Pascoe for loss of income and WT for wrongful prosecution and disruption to business operations. But hey, that’s me.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Funny that all of the clubs that have been done for anything to do with cap breaches, all made a lot of noise about being innocent, yet all were buried beneath a pile of facts,
Why would be any difference with us,
The NRL seem to not make accusations without hard evidence,
To kick Pascoe out like they’ve done they must have something pretty solid to back their charges up

 

[Snake]

Funny that all of the clubs that have been done for anything to do with cap breaches, all made a lot of noise about being innocent, yet all were buried beneath a pile of facts,
Why would be any difference with us,
The NRL seem to not make accusations without hard evidence,
To kick Pascoe out like they’ve done they must have something pretty solid to back their charges up

The NRL better have solid evidence against our CEO as this is not just a case brought against a club in general this attack has basically ruined a career and personally trashed his reputation as I have eluded to previously this is a very serious situation and I would think this will not be taken lightly by Justin Pascoe .I have a feeling the NRL might have over reacted with the attack on our CEO ..IMO the longer this goes on with no evidence brought forward into the public arena the more serious this will become , legal types keep things tight for a reason .

 

[southerntiger]

I have absolutely no idea and I'm just guessing, but I wonder if the tigers submitted to Ayoub a letter of offer to employ Farah at retirement. For Ayoub, that is good enough to lock the tigers into an agreement without his clients signature, but to the NRL, it's a letter of offer which is probably required to be disclosed.

The argument could be that the tigers don't need to disclose anything because it hasn't bee1n agreed to. Simple. Or maybe not so simple.

Anyone ?

Pretty sure for a contract to be valid there needs to be and offer and acceptance. Nelson sounds like he's a legal eagle so maybe he can confirm or refute that.

If there is no contract that can be located then the whole thing is hearsay. My word against yours which means jack.

Even if they locate a letter of offer and is not duly executed, again it is not binding. A letter of offer is similar to a heads of agreement. This is the high level contract negotiations before the actual contract is negotiated and signed by both.

If the letter stipulates it is for a role not playing football I can’t see the problem. I can’t see a problem either if it has no commencement date.

If WT challenge the NRL and win then the Tigers and Pascoe should sue the NRL. Pascoe for loss of income and WT for wrongful prosecution and disruption to business operations. But hey, that’s me.

This is not correct for a number of reasons. Firstly, the title of a document doesnt determine whether it is a legally binding contract. The key issue is whether there is an intention to create legal relations. For example, heads of agreement can be binding or non-binding and the former is just as much as a contract as any other contract.

Secondly, a letter of offer usually (but is not always) is a contractual document, particularly in an employment context. Usally a letter of offer (which is signed by the employee) is the only employment contract entered into.

Putting aside these issues, the question of whether an unsigned letter of offer is a binding contract is not a simple one. If parties prepare a document that remains unsigned y the receiving party but in accordance with the document, then the receiving party will be considered to have accepted the terms and it will have contractual force.

What does this mean for the club and Farah? Dont really know. The issue for me is not whether there was a binding contract (and there may not be anyway as it is not clear that the club received any consideration for the offer to RF) but whether the offer was made to reduce what the club had to contribute to RF’s salary when he went to Souths.

If it didnt, then this is all bunk. If it did, then we are rightfully screwed.