Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[jadtiger]

Taylor gets blamed for everything bar being on the grassy knowel on this forum. What’s one more thing to add to the list against the forums greatest scapegoat.

While not one person can be held responsible for all that is wrong or goes wrong with an organisation, JTs contribution is one our club could have well done without.

And how many players and officials could we add to that list

You need to look at the whole picture …...what about the potential damage Grant Mayer caused , Ivan Cleary caused ,.......................

Sheens who i think was great early on and the best coach we have had and Humpty with their perchant for back ended contracts screwed the pooch which started the slide…

It has been remarkable the way we have recovered

Noyce was the one who started the back ended contract fiasco(remember Liam Fulton being forced out).Humph just continued with the stupidity.

 

[prattenparkchild]

Never been to court over salary cap punishments? True but until the 80's and 90's no one had take league administration to court over decisions? Recall south's and wests fighting them in court and winning and Newtown not fighting and rolling over and dying?

At this stage too much grey areas, not fully explained statements, severity of penalty compared to others etc to just submit. If club continues to back Pascoe and his explanation we cannot accept NRL position and just say ok. Appeal to NRL? The decision makers? What chance of a fair conclusion there?

Edit. We cannot trust the original decision makers to be fair in a review. If not the courts, what other external body can review this? There is the big anomaly in this process there.

 

[Telltails]

A bit sad in this day and age that the general consensus is that challenging the NRL is pointless. Says alot in itself about what is wrong about the game.

Pointless and Lots cheaper too. Particularly if someone failed to adhere to the Cap rules and telling blowies to the Cap auditors.
Wish you guys would get over it ….. we need to take our medicine here.
Stop feeling sorry for Pascoe .... he got us into this mess now he needs to get himself and the Club out of this ...... if he can.

Mate we are in a better position than we have ever been under Pascoe's leadership.
Take a.visit back to what he took on - that was a mess. At this point I am prepared to back him over anything the NRL stands for even if he was in the wrong.

 

[prattenparkchild]

Geez, some people are quick to throw people under the bus. Without knowing the full situation and circumstances with what has been provided in the public forum by the NRL and the opposite information provided by our club, I'm prepared to support our club and office holders at this stage. If we have done wrong I'm happy to accept punishment. The argument over intentional and accidental still has not been satisfied as yet and I'm not ready to accept the NRL statements at this stage. Let them show their evidence.

 

[jadtiger]

Geez, some people are quick to throw people under the bus. Without knowing the full situation and circumstances with what has been provided in the public forum by the NRL and the opposite information provided by our club, I'm prepared to support our club and office holders at this stage. If we have done wrong I'm happy to accept punishment. The argument over intentional and accidental still has not been satisfied as yet and I'm not ready to accept the NRL statements at this stage. Let them show their evidence.

Precisely let the NRLs evidence stand up in a real court and not one run by their stooges and yes men

 

[Kerry_Cogger]

A bit sad in this day and age that the general consensus is that challenging the NRL is pointless. Says alot in itself about what is wrong about the game.

Pointless and Lots cheaper too. Particularly if someone failed to adhere to the Cap rules and telling blowies to the Cap auditors.
Wish you guys would get over it ….. we need to take our medicine here.
Stop feeling sorry for Pascoe .... he got us into this mess now he needs to get himself and the Club out of this ...... if he can.

Mate we are in a better position than we have ever been under Pascoe's leadership.
Take a.visit back to what he took on - that was a mess. At this point I am prepared to back him over anything the NRL stands for even if he was in the wrong.

Agreed. I feel this forum has Wests tigers fans and fans only of "certain" players.and people who are the puppets of dodgy player managers spreading crap that really has no interest in Wests tigers.

 

[prattenparkchild]

We get no respect from laying over and the the NRL do as they wish. If we are in the right FIGHT. Don t trust the original decision makers to be fair in any review both of information interpretation leading up to a decision and then penalty incurred.

By publicly announcing penalty at the same time as the Sharks penalty and inferring equality of infraction and severity, without any prior 'back room' to and fro between club and NRL administration they have already shown themselves to be a biased adjudicator. Where to go except the courts if we dont agree with either their interpretation of events or the scale of the penalty, or both?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Going to be a lot of disappointment if we don’t go to court, which i suspect we won’t.

 

[gallagher]

There's a lot of people who blame Greenberg for problems that the NRL has , and rightly so.

The buck stops at the top, right at Greenbergs feet!
But the same thing should apply across the board, and if we are guilty of anything then Pascoe has to wear it ,
As far as the WTS are concerned, the buck stops with Him
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I cant see where this sympathy comes from.
At the least, hes cost us money on our Cap, and dragged us into another hassle that we dont need.
Even if hes made a mistake in his dealings with the Cap, then he should get the chop for not knowing what he was doing.
Yet some still thInk that hes some great CEO. Great for who??

Its got me buggered! This is all because of his actions but everyone else seems to be copping it.

 

[prattenparkchild]

As I said quick to condemn.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

As I said quick to condemn.

Or are you quick on the defence because it’s the team you support? Are you as vehement when it’s other clubs? I’m sure you’ll say yes, because that’s the easy answer. I have my doubts though.

 

[gallagher]

As I said quick to condemn.

What about you calling MCK an idiot and calling for the club to suspend him immediatley?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

As I said quick to condemn.

The way you were quick to condemn MCK in the other thread? Don’t pick and choose when you think due process should be allowed.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

A bit sad in this day and age that the general consensus is that challenging the NRL is pointless. Says alot in itself about what is wrong about the game.

Pointless and Lots cheaper too. Particularly if someone failed to adhere to the Cap rules and telling blowies to the Cap auditors.
Wish you guys would get over it ….. we need to take our medicine here.
Stop feeling sorry for Pascoe .... he got us into this mess now he needs to get himself and the Club out of this ...... if he can.

Mate we are in a better position than we have ever been under Pascoe's leadership.
Take a.visit back to what he took on - that was a mess. At this point I am prepared to back him over anything the NRL stands for even if he was in the wrong.

Yes agreed …... I like him too and sorry this happened.
Probably well intentioned etc. etc. but in the end the NRL Board would not have agreed to the sanctions proposal put in front of them without a very good reason. And from what I hear and read they are valid accusations that the Club and particularly Pascoe need to defend.
Any public court action is just ridiculous until we get past the appeals process which is in place and which all Clubs (in similar situation) to date have adhered to.
So anyway, that’s my 10 cents worth on the subject

 

[Telltails]

A bit sad in this day and age that the general consensus is that challenging the NRL is pointless. Says alot in itself about what is wrong about the game.

Pointless and Lots cheaper too. Particularly if someone failed to adhere to the Cap rules and telling blowies to the Cap auditors.
Wish you guys would get over it ….. we need to take our medicine here.
Stop feeling sorry for Pascoe .... he got us into this mess now he needs to get himself and the Club out of this ...... if he can.

Mate we are in a better position than we have ever been under Pascoe's leadership.
Take a.visit back to what he took on - that was a mess. At this point I am prepared to back him over anything the NRL stands for even if he was in the wrong.

Yes agreed …... I like him too and sorry this happened.
Probably well intentioned etc. etc. but in the end the NRL Board would not have agreed to the sanctions proposal put in front of them without a very good reason. And from what I hear and read they are valid accusations that the Club and particularly Pascoe need to defend.
Any public court action is just ridiculous until we get past the appeals process which is in place and which all Clubs (in similar situation) to date have adhered to.
So anyway, that’s my 10 cents worth on the subject

Dont have a problem with owning the error and or being penalised for it, just want a fair appeals process if the club feels they have one, and for the NRL to be fairminded about it without agenda. And if the NRL has a bucket full of dirt on Pascoe well then we will find out.

 

[cochise]

A bit sad in this day and age that the general consensus is that challenging the NRL is pointless. Says alot in itself about what is wrong about the game.

Pointless and Lots cheaper too. Particularly if someone failed to adhere to the Cap rules and telling blowies to the Cap auditors.
Wish you guys would get over it ….. we need to take our medicine here.
Stop feeling sorry for Pascoe .... he got us into this mess now he needs to get himself and the Club out of this ...... if he can.

Mate we are in a better position than we have ever been under Pascoe's leadership.
Take a.visit back to what he took on - that was a mess. At this point I am prepared to back him over anything the NRL stands for even if he was in the wrong.

Yes agreed …... I like him too and sorry this happened.
Probably well intentioned etc. etc. but in the end the NRL Board would not have agreed to the sanctions proposal put in front of them without a very good reason. And from what I hear and read they are valid accusations that the Club and particularly Pascoe need to defend.
Any public court action is just ridiculous until we get past the appeals process which is in place and which all Clubs (in similar situation) to date have adhered to.
So anyway, that’s my 10 cents worth on the subject

Spot on

 

[Telltails]

Pointless and Lots cheaper too. Particularly if someone failed to adhere to the Cap rules and telling blowies to the Cap auditors.
Wish you guys would get over it ….. we need to take our medicine here.
Stop feeling sorry for Pascoe .... he got us into this mess now he needs to get himself and the Club out of this ...... if he can.

Mate we are in a better position than we have ever been under Pascoe's leadership.
Take a.visit back to what he took on - that was a mess. At this point I am prepared to back him over anything the NRL stands for even if he was in the wrong.

Yes agreed …... I like him too and sorry this happened.
Probably well intentioned etc. etc. but in the end the NRL Board would not have agreed to the sanctions proposal put in front of them without a very good reason. And from what I hear and read they are valid accusations that the Club and particularly Pascoe need to defend.
Any public court action is just ridiculous until we get past the appeals process which is in place and which all Clubs (in similar situation) to date have adhered to.
So anyway, that’s my 10 cents worth on the subject

Spot on

Lets not kid ourselves that the NRL makes it very difficult for an individual to appeal anything when they are de -registered purely by the sanctions they place on that person in regard to communication.

 

[JD Tiger]

Didn't WT come out and say WT are behind the coach 100%? That means either we fight it if NRL are making a mountain out of a mole hill (which I still think they are- this happened years ago and was in the pbulic spotlight then, why bring it up now, dodgy as anything).

Or if we did screw it up, and do what they are accusing us of, all we have to do is to admit it, say it was an honest unintended mistake, ask for clemency, cop whatever we get, then come back hard.

Our squad has been screwed by dodgy coaching decisions and back-ended deals and paying players at other clubs for years, one more year with a restrained squad won't kill us, integrity in the club is what matters here.

 

[cochise]

Didn't WT come out and say WT are behind the coach 100%? That means either we fight it if NRL are making a mountain out of a mole hill (which I still think they are- this happened years ago and was in the pbulic spotlight then, why bring it up now, dodgy as anything).

Or if we did screw it up, and do what they are accusing us of, all we have to do is to admit it, say it was an honest unintended mistake, ask for clemency, cop whatever we get, then come back hard.

Our squad has been screwed by dodgy coaching decisions and back-ended deals and paying players at other clubs for years, one more year with a restrained squad won't kill us, integrity in the club is what matters here.

What is it wasn't an honest unintended mistake?

 

[JD Tiger]

Didn't WT come out and say WT are behind the coach 100%? That means either we fight it if NRL are making a mountain out of a mole hill (which I still think they are- this happened years ago and was in the pbulic spotlight then, why bring it up now, dodgy as anything).

Or if we did screw it up, and do what they are accusing us of, all we have to do is to admit it, say it was an honest unintended mistake, ask for clemency, cop whatever we get, then come back hard.

Our squad has been screwed by dodgy coaching decisions and back-ended deals and paying players at other clubs for years, one more year with a restrained squad won't kill us, integrity in the club is what matters here.

What is it wasn't an honest unintended mistake?

So you're asking what if Pascoe deliberately tried to circumvent the cap and was trying to cheat? Wouldn't there be a lot better ways to do it? Anyway, if he was trying to cheat, cop the punishment, front the Board and WT public with hat in hand proclaiming their guilt and see if he still has a job. I think he probably would.