Pascoe sanctioned by the NRL

[earl]

Of course its an advantage, the coach didn't want him.

100% correct. We need to accept the punishment, learn from this and move on. Pascoe really stuffed this one up. Personally I think given all the drama he has been involved with that this is a minimal stuff up and I'd like to see him given another chance but it was a poor decision on Pascoe's part.

I hope we never have a coach making decisions like that that impact our salary cap in such a massive way in the future. We also should be very careful about overpaying players especially when they are getting to the backend of their careers.

 

[cochise]

Who has said we didn't get an on field advantage?

Well enlighten me. And Our club has been pretty consistent in stating this!

The coach wanted a player gone, after this role was organised he left, which also saved rhe club at least $200k in Salary cap space. Very easy for the NRL to argue an advantage.

The other benefit the NRL could be argued is that he returned to the club in 2019.

Suppose he signed with the Rabbits before the role was organised would you still argue that? And it cost us $750,000 out of our cap to move him on.

Well if Robbie stands up in court and testifies that his return to the Tigers was purely based on reigniting his passion to play and he accepted the contract offer as per say, what is the NRL's barrister going to do stand up and call out liar liar pants on fire?

It did not cost us $750K out of our cap to move him on, it saved us $200K? The NRL would still argue that they club breached the salary cap rules.

I really hope that this was an honest mistake but there is every chance that it wasn't.

 

[earl]

Nothing JT wanted was advantageous to us. He let Tapau go to get Ballin to force Farah out, so we could pay two hookers not to play for us!
There was absolutely no advantage to us we would have been far better off seeing out his contract. Pascoe entered into it, after the damage was already done and still we continue to pay the price.

He clearly made poor decision after poor decision but he made them based on what he thought was the best decision for the club. He wasn't competent but that isn't an excuse to rort the salary cap.

We should learn from this as well. Be very careful when employing a coach and do not give them too much power. A coach can come up with a plan but there has to be people around him with the ability to say "no that isn't going to work". You can't have the players running the club but you can't have the coach running the club into the ground either.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

All this would have been adverted if the old board had just listened to Potter.

 

[Telltails]

Nothing JT wanted was advantageous to us. He let Tapau go to get Ballin to force Farah out, so we could pay two hookers not to play for us!
There was absolutely no advantage to us we would have been far better off seeing out his contract. Pascoe entered into it, after the damage was already done and still we continue to pay the price.

He clearly made poor decision after poor decision but he made them based on what he thought was the best decision for the club. He wasn't competent but that isn't an excuse to rort the salary cap.

We should learn from this as well. Be very careful when employing a coach and do not give them too much power. A coach can come up with a plan but there has to be people around him with the ability to say "no that isn't going to work". You can't have the players running the club but you can't have the coach running the club into the ground either.

I dont think Pascoe ever supported JTs decisions I think he tried to mop them up, in the best interest of the club - to appease the fans, and the NRL community who considered us a basketcase. Lets face it JT did not last long once Pascoe arrived yet was fully supported by Go and the board prior to.

Whether he did that deceptively and alone, is the question. Given that the ambassador role was discussed publically, seems to question that school of thought.
However what happened after that -that has led to this outcome is all guess work on my part.

 

[gallagher]

They wont be going to court..geeez…

This is why the WestsTigers will always be the flushable wipes of the NRL!

Or they know they're in the wrong.

 

[happy_tiger]

They wont be going to court..geeez…

What do you mean , this case has been in kangaroo court for the last two weeks

Judges Yossarian and Cochise presiding :smiley:

 

[cktiger]

All this would have been adverted if the old board had just listened to Potter.

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

 

[gallagher]

All this would have been adverted if the old board had just listened to Potter.

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

Hes only been brought into it to take the heat off Pascoe's cheating.

 

[happy_tiger]

All this would have been adverted if the old board had just listened to Potter.

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

Hes only been brought into it to take the heat off Pascoe's cheating.

IF JT knew , everyone knew , Go included

I thought I was the only one with conspiracy theories :laughing:

 

[colmcd]

Nothing JT wanted was advantageous to us. He let Tapau go to get Ballin to force Farah out, so we could pay two hookers not to play for us!
There was absolutely no advantage to us we would have been far better off seeing out his contract. Pascoe entered into it, after the damage was already done and still we continue to pay the price.

He clearly made poor decision after poor decision but he made them based on what he thought was the best decision for the club. He wasn't competent but that isn't an excuse to rort the salary cap.

We should learn from this as well. Be very careful when employing a coach and do not give them too much power. A coach can come up with a plan but there has to be people around him with the ability to say "no that isn't going to work". You can't have the players running the club but you can't have the coach running the club into the ground either.

I dont think Pascoe ever supported JTs decisions I think he tried to mop them up, in the best interest of the club - to appease the fans, and the NRL community who considered us a basketcase. Lets face it JT did not last long once Pascoe arrived yet was fully supported by Go and the board prior to.

Whether he did that deceptively and alone, is the question. Given that the ambassador role was discussed publically, seems to question that school of thought.
However what happened after that -that has led to this outcome is all guess work on my part.

I won't justify JT, but he did want to keep Taupau.
I think the key problem was him recruiting Ballin. JT did try his best to push Robbie off a cliff to keep Taupau.

Now if anyone with half a brain said "hey if we hire Ballin, we may not be able to keep Taupau or others up for renewal." Then we may have been talking Taupau staying in Tiger town.

Personally I am most ropeable about JT getting rid of Pat Richards. I get what JT was trying to do and hey we need more structure to our football, but don't fire the AWESOME.

If we have Pat Richards and Brett Hodgson training our fullbacks and wingers we will be on the way to winning the comp!

 

[GNR4LIFE]

All this would have been adverted if the old board had just listened to Potter.

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

Taylor gets blamed for everything bar being on the grassy knowel on this forum. What’s one more thing to add to the list against the forums greatest scapegoat.

 

[Telltails]

All this would have been adverted if the old board had just listened to Potter.

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

Taylor gets blamed for everything bar being on the grassy knowel on this forum. What’s one more thing to add to the list against the forums greatest scapegoat.

While not one person can be held responsible for all that is wrong or goes wrong with an organisation, JTs contribution is one our club could have well done without.

 

[happy_tiger]

All this would have been adverted if the old board had just listened to Potter.

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

Taylor gets blamed for everything bar being on the grassy knowel on this forum. What’s one more thing to add to the list against the forums greatest scapegoat.

While not one person can be held responsible for all that is wrong or goes wrong with an organisation, JTs contribution is one our club could have well done without.

And how many players and officials could we add to that list

You need to look at the whole picture …...what about the potential damage Grant Mayer caused , Ivan Cleary caused ,.......................

 

[GNR4LIFE]

All this would have been adverted if the old board had just listened to Potter.

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

Taylor gets blamed for everything bar being on the grassy knowel on this forum. What’s one more thing to add to the list against the forums greatest scapegoat.

While not one person can be held responsible for all that is wrong or goes wrong with an organisation, JTs contribution is one our club could have well done without.

The damage JT caused is a blip to what Cleary caused. But the resentment for JT will always be double. Not sure why. There’s a personal nature to the hatred held towards him, unlike anything i’ve even seen.

 

[JD Tiger]

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

Taylor gets blamed for everything bar being on the grassy knowel on this forum. What’s one more thing to add to the list against the forums greatest scapegoat.

While not one person can be held responsible for all that is wrong or goes wrong with an organisation, JTs contribution is one our club could have well done without.

The damage JT caused is a blip to what Cleary caused. But the resentment for JT will always be double. Not sure why. There’s a personal nature to the hatred held towards him, unlike anything i’ve even seen.

JT I think was just out of his depth. Not a first grade coach. He tried just he didn't have it.
Cleary is absolute scum who played us all from Day 1, intentionally dogging us. I for one rate Cleary as the biggest villian to ever be associated with WT, holding off half-hearted competition from JT, Anasta, and any others.

 

[cktiger]

All this would have been adverted if the old board had just listened to Potter.

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

Taylor gets blamed for everything bar being on the grassy knowel on this forum. What’s one more thing to add to the list against the forums greatest scapegoat.

No ones blaming Taylor for what Pascoe did - only for the way he caused the problem in the first place through his poor man management.
Your remark about Potter was just using innuendo to put the blame for everything on Farah… as usual.

 

[Telltails]

Trying to take some heat off your buddy JT now that he's being bought into the picture for his incompetence? :unamused:

Taylor gets blamed for everything bar being on the grassy knowel on this forum. What’s one more thing to add to the list against the forums greatest scapegoat.

While not one person can be held responsible for all that is wrong or goes wrong with an organisation, JTs contribution is one our club could have well done without.

And how many players and officials could we add to that list

You need to look at the whole picture …...what about the potential damage Grant Mayer caused , Ivan Cleary caused ,.......................

No arguement from me all in positions of power yet let the club down, and or were incompetent. My beef with our club has always been centred around the decision makers and JT is particularly frustrating because I find it difficult to find a positive that is not counteracted by a far bigger negative.

 

[happy_tiger]

Taylor gets blamed for everything bar being on the grassy knowel on this forum. What’s one more thing to add to the list against the forums greatest scapegoat.

While not one person can be held responsible for all that is wrong or goes wrong with an organisation, JTs contribution is one our club could have well done without.

And how many players and officials could we add to that list

You need to look at the whole picture …...what about the potential damage Grant Mayer caused , Ivan Cleary caused ,.......................

No arguement from me all in positions of power yet let the club down, and or were incompetent. My beef with our club has always been centred around the decision makers and JT is particularly frustrating because I find it difficult to find a positive that is not counteracted by a far bigger negative.

Well that's what happens when you offer peanuts …...you get monkeys

Blame the club , they signed him :astonished:

 

[earl]

Nothing JT wanted was advantageous to us. He let Tapau go to get Ballin to force Farah out, so we could pay two hookers not to play for us!
There was absolutely no advantage to us we would have been far better off seeing out his contract. Pascoe entered into it, after the damage was already done and still we continue to pay the price.

He clearly made poor decision after poor decision but he made them based on what he thought was the best decision for the club. He wasn't competent but that isn't an excuse to rort the salary cap.

We should learn from this as well. Be very careful when employing a coach and do not give them too much power. A coach can come up with a plan but there has to be people around him with the ability to say "no that isn't going to work". You can't have the players running the club but you can't have the coach running the club into the ground either.

I dont think Pascoe ever supported JTs decisions I think he tried to mop them up, in the best interest of the club - to appease the fans, and the NRL community who considered us a basketcase. Lets face it JT did not last long once Pascoe arrived yet was fully supported by Go and the board prior to.

Whether he did that deceptively and alone, is the question. Given that the ambassador role was discussed publically, seems to question that school of thought.
However what happened after that -that has led to this outcome is all guess work on my part.

Here are the facts:-

1\. Robbie was pushed out clearly with the support of the coach.
2\. Pascoe tried to smooth things over and push Robbie out by trying to offer up an alternative to the existing TPA's that Robbie was on. As soon as he did this he basically made those TPA's part of our cap but he didn't declare it. That is a rort.

I accept it's not systematic rorting ala a club like the Roosters but these are the sort of dodgy deals that rort the salary cap.

I get the position that Pascoe was in and I don't want to crucify him but it was a really poor decision.