Pathways. What pathways?

[pawsandclaws1]

https://youtu.be/6jmkG1uFC3s

This guy is a HUGE asset.
Video is worth a watch.

Ive spoken with Brett before and he's a genuine guy with so much knowledge of the game. He's is a legit footballing genius.

Has a lot to offer. A definite dark hourse which flies under the radar a bit within the world of NRL. Don't underestimate what he can bring to the club.


I agree. Watched this video earlier in the week and he speaks well.

I think he could handle a dual role including an assistant coaching role under Maguire or whoever the head coach may be.

I remember him commentating on under 20s games years ago when they used to be televised and before he got into coaching

He was the only commentator that actually made sense, and with no cliches

He's also had tragedy in his life. I believe he would have empathy for the young fellows who have come to WTs and would be a good sounding board for their concerns. I like his appointment.

 

[mike]

https://youtu.be/6jmkG1uFC3s

This guy is a HUGE asset.
Video is worth a watch.

Ive spoken with Brett before and he's a genuine guy with so much knowledge of the game. He's is a legit footballing genius.

Has a lot to offer. A definite dark hourse which flies under the radar a bit within the world of NRL. Don't underestimate what he can bring to the club.


I agree. Watched this video earlier in the week and he speaks well.

I think he could handle a dual role including an assistant coaching role under Maguire or whoever the head coach may be.

I remember him commentating on under 20s games years ago when they used to be televised and before he got into coaching

He was the only commentator that actually made sense, and with no cliches

He's also had tragedy in his life. I believe he would have empathy for the young fellows who have come to WTs and would be a good sounding board for their concerns. I like his appointment.

Can't believe you got a downvote for that. Not that reputation points are really of any meaning but geez. A very sensible post.

 

[Speed2burn]

https://youtu.be/6jmkG1uFC3s

This guy is a HUGE asset.
Video is worth a watch.

Ive spoken with Brett before and he's a genuine guy with so much knowledge of the game. He's is a legit footballing genius.

Has a lot to offer. A definite dark hourse which flies under the radar a bit within the world of NRL. Don't underestimate what he can bring to the club.


I agree. Watched this video earlier in the week and he speaks well.

I think he could handle a dual role including an assistant coaching role under Maguire or whoever the head coach may be.

I remember him commentating on under 20s games years ago when they used to be televised and before he got into coaching

He was the only commentator that actually made sense, and with no cliches

He's also had tragedy in his life. I believe he would have empathy for the young fellows who have come to WTs and would be a good sounding board for their concerns. I like his appointment.

Can't believe you got a downvote for that. Not that reputation points are really of any meaning but geez. A very sensible post.

Mystery down voters everywhere … or a misclick maybe

 

[Needaname]

https://youtu.be/6jmkG1uFC3s

This guy is a HUGE asset.
Video is worth a watch.

Ive spoken with Brett before and he's a genuine guy with so much knowledge of the game. He's is a legit footballing genius.

Has a lot to offer. A definite dark hourse which flies under the radar a bit within the world of NRL. Don't underestimate what he can bring to the club.


I agree. Watched this video earlier in the week and he speaks well.

I think he could handle a dual role including an assistant coaching role under Maguire or whoever the head coach may be.

I remember him commentating on under 20s games years ago when they used to be televised and before he got into coaching

He was the only commentator that actually made sense, and with no cliches

He's also had tragedy in his life. I believe he would have empathy for the young fellows who have come to WTs and would be a good sounding board for their concerns. I like his appointment.

Paws, you have your head around the junior circles.
Do you know why Kimmorley didn’t stay on as our NYC coach or move to an elevated role in the club?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

https://youtu.be/6jmkG1uFC3s

This guy is a HUGE asset.
Video is worth a watch.

Ive spoken with Brett before and he's a genuine guy with so much knowledge of the game. He's is a legit footballing genius.

Has a lot to offer. A definite dark hourse which flies under the radar a bit within the world of NRL. Don't underestimate what he can bring to the club.


I agree. Watched this video earlier in the week and he speaks well.

I think he could handle a dual role including an assistant coaching role under Maguire or whoever the head coach may be.

I remember him commentating on under 20s games years ago when they used to be televised and before he got into coaching

He was the only commentator that actually made sense, and with no cliches

He's also had tragedy in his life. I believe he would have empathy for the young fellows who have come to WTs and would be a good sounding board for their concerns. I like his appointment.

Paws, you have your head around the junior circles.
Do you know why Kimmorley didn’t stay on as our NYC coach or move to an elevated role in the club?

Sorry I can't answer your question. I am glad he is back because he has a lot to offer.

 

[Demps]

https://youtu.be/6jmkG1uFC3s

This guy is a HUGE asset.
Video is worth a watch.

Ive spoken with Brett before and he's a genuine guy with so much knowledge of the game. He's is a legit footballing genius.

Has a lot to offer. A definite dark hourse which flies under the radar a bit within the world of NRL. Don't underestimate what he can bring to the club.


I agree. Watched this video earlier in the week and he speaks well.

I think he could handle a dual role including an assistant coaching role under Maguire or whoever the head coach may be.

I remember him commentating on under 20s games years ago when they used to be televised and before he got into coaching

He was the only commentator that actually made sense, and with no cliches

He's also had tragedy in his life. I believe he would have empathy for the young fellows who have come to WTs and would be a good sounding board for their concerns. I like his appointment.

Paws, you have your head around the junior circles.
Do you know why Kimmorley didn’t stay on as our NYC coach or move to an elevated role in the club?

Sorry I can't answer your question. I am glad he is back because he has a lot to offer.

He stood down because his wife passed away.
Brett is a great guy. R.i.P to his wife.

 

[The_Patriot]

https://youtu.be/6jmkG1uFC3s

This guy is a HUGE asset.
Video is worth a watch.

Ive spoken with Brett before and he's a genuine guy with so much knowledge of the game. He's is a legit footballing genius.

Has a lot to offer. A definite dark hourse which flies under the radar a bit within the world of NRL. Don't underestimate what he can bring to the club.


I agree. Watched this video earlier in the week and he speaks well.

I think he could handle a dual role including an assistant coaching role under Maguire or whoever the head coach may be.

I remember him commentating on under 20s games years ago when they used to be televised and before he got into coaching

He was the only commentator that actually made sense, and with no cliches

He's also had tragedy in his life. I believe he would have empathy for the young fellows who have come to WTs and would be a good sounding board for their concerns. I like his appointment.

Can't believe you got a downvote for that. Not that reputation points are really of any meaning but geez. A very sensible post.

I up voted his post because what he wrote is true but I'd say the down vote is because all of paw's comments lately are a back handed swipe at the current coach. Even this one.

 

[jrtiger]

Betsey and Kimmorley will be massive for our pathways. With new Matts and Ball coaches they can build it from the ground up. Hopefully Lambkin is retained in some capacity as well. I like how we're developing a style of football that will be played from first grade down. makes it far easier to integrate young kids. we won't see the results for another 5 years ala Penrith, but it futureproofs the whole organisation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we're not that far off.

 

[cochise]

Betsey and Kimmorley will be massive for our pathways. With new Matts and Ball coaches they can build it from the ground up. Hopefully Lambkin is retained in some capacity as well. I like how we're developing a style of football that will be played from first grade down. makes it far easier to integrate young kids. we won't see the results for another 5 years ala Penrith, but it futureproofs the whole organisation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we're not that far off.

This is an excellent post.

 

[jrtiger]

Betsey and Kimmorley will be massive for our pathways. With new Matts and Ball coaches they can build it from the ground up. Hopefully Lambkin is retained in some capacity as well. I like how we're developing a style of football that will be played from first grade down. makes it far easier to integrate young kids. we won't see the results for another 5 years ala Penrith, but it futureproofs the whole organisation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we're not that far off.

This is an excellent post.

haha thanks mate. just trying to make some sense amongst all this chaos. I feel like the club has all of it's ducks in a row apart from the first grade side. the only way we turn this club into the organisation we know it can be is internally. we're not the chooks or the dogs. play to our strengths and use the junior pools on offer.

 

[cochise]

Betsey and Kimmorley will be massive for our pathways. With new Matts and Ball coaches they can build it from the ground up. Hopefully Lambkin is retained in some capacity as well. I like how we're developing a style of football that will be played from first grade down. makes it far easier to integrate young kids. we won't see the results for another 5 years ala Penrith, but it futureproofs the whole organisation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we're not that far off.

This is an excellent post.

haha thanks mate. just trying to make some sense amongst all this chaos. I feel like the club has all of it's ducks in a row apart from the first grade side. the only way we turn this club into the organisation we know it can be is internally. we're not the chooks or the dogs. play to our strengths and use the junior pools on offer.

For the most part I agree with that and definitely see the way out of the mess is through juniors, it would be nice to give them a few quality 1st graders to help with their development though.

 

[Needaname]

https://youtu.be/6jmkG1uFC3s

This guy is a HUGE asset.
Video is worth a watch.

Ive spoken with Brett before and he's a genuine guy with so much knowledge of the game. He's is a legit footballing genius.

Has a lot to offer. A definite dark hourse which flies under the radar a bit within the world of NRL. Don't underestimate what he can bring to the club.


I agree. Watched this video earlier in the week and he speaks well.

I think he could handle a dual role including an assistant coaching role under Maguire or whoever the head coach may be.

I remember him commentating on under 20s games years ago when they used to be televised and before he got into coaching

He was the only commentator that actually made sense, and with no cliches

He's also had tragedy in his life. I believe he would have empathy for the young fellows who have come to WTs and would be a good sounding board for their concerns. I like his appointment.

Paws, you have your head around the junior circles.
Do you know why Kimmorley didn’t stay on as our NYC coach or move to an elevated role in the club?

Sorry I can't answer your question. I am glad he is back because he has a lot to offer.

He stood down because his wife passed away.
Brett is a great guy. R.i.P to his wife.

Thanks mate, I wasn’t sure of the timeframe but I thought that might of been the case.

 

[Needaname]

https://youtu.be/6jmkG1uFC3s

This guy is a HUGE asset.
Video is worth a watch.

Ive spoken with Brett before and he's a genuine guy with so much knowledge of the game. He's is a legit footballing genius.

Has a lot to offer. A definite dark hourse which flies under the radar a bit within the world of NRL. Don't underestimate what he can bring to the club.


I agree. Watched this video earlier in the week and he speaks well.

I think he could handle a dual role including an assistant coaching role under Maguire or whoever the head coach may be.

I remember him commentating on under 20s games years ago when they used to be televised and before he got into coaching

He was the only commentator that actually made sense, and with no cliches

He's also had tragedy in his life. I believe he would have empathy for the young fellows who have come to WTs and would be a good sounding board for their concerns. I like his appointment.

Paws, you have your head around the junior circles.
Do you know why Kimmorley didn’t stay on as our NYC coach or move to an elevated role in the club?

Sorry I can't answer your question. I am glad he is back because he has a lot to offer.

I agree,
That’s ok.

 

[jrtiger]

Betsey and Kimmorley will be massive for our pathways. With new Matts and Ball coaches they can build it from the ground up. Hopefully Lambkin is retained in some capacity as well. I like how we're developing a style of football that will be played from first grade down. makes it far easier to integrate young kids. we won't see the results for another 5 years ala Penrith, but it futureproofs the whole organisation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we're not that far off.

This is an excellent post.

haha thanks mate. just trying to make some sense amongst all this chaos. I feel like the club has all of it's ducks in a row apart from the first grade side. the only way we turn this club into the organisation we know it can be is internally. we're not the chooks or the dogs. play to our strengths and use the junior pools on offer.

For the most part I agree with that and definitely see the way out of the mess is through juniors, it would be nice to give them a few quality 1st graders to help with their development though.

absolutely. we've got an undefeated Jersey Flegg side that by the sounds of things is a separate entity to the first grade side. even when Taylor was around the 20s boys used to play games with the first grade outfit on a Monday morning. that's where it starts. I can't understand why we deviate from those things.

 

[iofthetigers]

Betsey and Kimmorley will be massive for our pathways. With new Matts and Ball coaches they can build it from the ground up. Hopefully Lambkin is retained in some capacity as well. I like how we're developing a style of football that will be played from first grade down. makes it far easier to integrate young kids. we won't see the results for another 5 years ala Penrith, but it futureproofs the whole organisation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we're not that far off.

Excellent post, Retaining or promoting Lambkin is a must he is one of very few shining lights for the year & someone that people want to play for. Talent identification is extremely difficult in COVID times so you need your finger on the pulse & be very trusting of your staff which is a strength of Pascoe (sometimes to his own detriment). I think the success of the club is going to depend on who the coach is.The thing I am noticing is these appointments all come across as not only good football knowledge but also good people skills.

 

[twentyforty]

I agree 100% in a solid pathways development program, but a prerequisite to the seamless integration and continuity of such a program is having it underpinned by a well developed organisational structure with each position in the organisation having clearly defined tasks and responsibilities. It’s ok to recruit key people like Brett, Tim and others, but if there is no positional responsibility and no clear leadership then it’s not guaranteed to succeed. Pascoe has done some good things but those things could easily have been done by a competent administrator, the club needs organisational development and leadership. I would suggest the board encourage Pascoe to recruit/contract either a HR scientist or OD professional to put in place some organisational structure and performance/procedures manual in order to create some accountability. The alternative is to replace him.

 

[Russell]

I agree 100% in a solid pathways development program, but a prerequisite to the seamless integration and continuity of such a program is having it underpinned by a well developed organisational structure with each position in the organisation having clearly defined tasks and responsibilities. It’s ok to recruit key people like Brett, Tim and others, but if there is no positional responsibility and no clear leadership then it’s not guaranteed to succeed. Pascoe has done some good things but those things could easily have been done by a competent administrator, the club needs organisational development and leadership. I would suggest the board encourage Pascoe to recruit/contract either a HR scientist or OD professional to put in place some organisational structure and performance/procedures manual in order to create some accountability. The alternative is to replace him.

I would rather see the money spent on a better coach for one of the junior teams. One just under the level of an NRL Assistant coach or one that has just missed out on an AC job. There was a coach - name of Holland I believe that was very good with I think our juniors that moved on - wouldn't mind him back to lend a hand.

Imo HR or OD positions just make it more complicated than it should be and make the Administration top heavy.

 

[jirskyr]

I would suggest the board encourage Pascoe to recruit/contract either a HR scientist or OD professional to put in place some organisational structure and performance/procedures manual in order to create some accountability.

No offence but I find that stuff to be gobbledygook, especially in the context of running a football club.

My personal experience with HR is that, in an organisation comprised of strongly varied roles and skills, the HR department can barely keep up with the true needs and concerns of their total talent pool. So I mean the difference between managing 100 people with the same job/outcome versus a team with highly varied responsibilities.

A football club would be an organisation with highly varied skills and responsibilities - almost nobody has the same role or KPIs, not even within the football team itself.

My opinion is HR should do their fundamentals (pay, appraisals, crisis/performance management) and support the decision-makers to hire excellence.

Given that I don't even really understand what the HR scientist or OD professional roles, I tried to do some research online to find an explanation. For example (and these may be bad examples, I just took a cross-section):
https://www.hrtechnologist.com/articles/digital-transformation/the-rise-of-chief-hr-data-scientist/
https://www.visier.com/clarity/hr-data-scientist-top-skills/

Honestly I can barely understand what these articles are saying. It reads like the creme de la creme of management speak. I can only imagine how it would go down inside a football organisation, to have some HR Head come in and start talking about "procedure manuals" and "Diversity program evaluations".

I couldn't even imagine where a HR scientist would obtain a sufficiently robust dataset to be undertaking those kind of analyses, in a company of maybe 100 employees who all have different roles, and for whom half the staff mostly need to "run and tackle large men".

And apologies I don't mean this as an offence, I have an impression you know what you are talking about, but I'm thinking about this from the perspective of a football operation that has barely laid down their new plan for recruitment/performance pathways.

 

[balmain boy]

Betsey and Kimmorley will be massive for our pathways. With new Matts and Ball coaches they can build it from the ground up. Hopefully Lambkin is retained in some capacity as well. I like how we're developing a style of football that will be played from first grade down. makes it far easier to integrate young kids. we won't see the results for another 5 years ala Penrith, but it futureproofs the whole organisation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we're not that far off.

Who says we're developing a single style of football that will be played from first grade down? What would this style be? Who determines it?

 

[Madge]

Betsey and Kimmorley will be massive for our pathways. With new Matts and Ball coaches they can build it from the ground up. Hopefully Lambkin is retained in some capacity as well. I like how we're developing a style of football that will be played from first grade down. makes it far easier to integrate young kids. we won't see the results for another 5 years ala Penrith, but it futureproofs the whole organisation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, we're not that far off.

Who says we're developing a single style of football that will be played from first grade down? What would this style be? Who determines it?

Brett said we are looking to implement a style from first grade down so the young ones coming in understand the WT and Michael Maguire way.