Paul Green

[gallagher]

I must be in the ultra ultra minority because I'd be happy with Flanno.
He still denies he knew about the peptides but let's just assume he did. He's paid his penalty, he's a bloody good coach and his players all supported him.
Don't we give people a second chance?

Morals aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

It is more than morals mate, it is about the safety of players.

I doubt he'd do it again.

So player safety aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

You can't put player safety aside, he is not worth the risk.

It would take very poor or non existent management not to see a drug program going on. So I see your point.

But our management delegates the football to the football department, they couldn’t be expected to know what happens outside their demountables.

Well Hartigan would beall over it wouldn't he? He's the beez knees

 

[TrueTiger]

Pual Green next WTs coach.....please Doc can I have a repeat prescription for my valium...its going to be a long off season...


It would be just the sort of pathetic decision the boys club would do.Replacing Madge who is being used as a scapegoat by another who is obviously another future scapegoat.Anything to cover their own culpability

Well jad,how come we can see it ,yet others cant wait to get rid of Madge because it doesnt suit their narrative ??


A few posters on here are blinded by dislike,they are certainly entitled to their opinion but i try to look at the detail not the headlines

You two are obviously just smarter.


Not a matter of being smarter just having a more open mind.As i said people are entitled to their own opinions.You have yours and i have mine

Im with him Dwight.....

 

[Guest]

Pual Green next WTs coach.....please Doc can I have a repeat prescription for my valium...its going to be a long off season...


It would be just the sort of pathetic decision the boys club would do.Replacing Madge who is being used as a scapegoat by another who is obviously another future scapegoat.Anything to cover their own culpability

Well jad,how come we can see it ,yet others cant wait to get rid of Madge because it doesnt suit their narrative ??


A few posters on here are blinded by dislike,they are certainly entitled to their opinion but i try to look at the detail not the headlines

You two are obviously just smarter.


Not a matter of being smarter just having a more open mind.As i said people are entitled to their own opinions.You have yours and i have mine

Wouldn't it be close minded to assume that others who base their opinions on incontrovertible evidenced aren't as open minded as your good self.

 

[BAGNF05]

I must be in the ultra ultra minority because I'd be happy with Flanno.
He still denies he knew about the peptides but let's just assume he did. He's paid his penalty, he's a bloody good coach and his players all supported him.
Don't we give people a second chance?

Morals aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

It is more than morals mate, it is about the safety of players.

I doubt he'd do it again.

So player safety aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

You can't put player safety aside, he is not worth the risk.

It would take very poor or non existent management not to see a drug program going on. So I see your point.

But our management delegates the football to the football department, they couldn’t be expected to know what happens outside their demountables.

Well Hartigan would beall over it wouldn't he? He's the beez knees

Don’t know much of what he brings other than what you hear on here. Has managed to find a few good young blokes, you have to give him that much. The sheens signing would have to be a head scratcher for him.

 

[Guest]

Can't see the WT gambling on Green, he's had a real fall from grace over the past couple of years. My preference would be for Ciraldo, I think the defensive structures he's put in place at the Panthers have clearly worked over the past couple of years and from what I've heard he has good rapport with the players.

I don't like how things transpired at the Sharks, but I've got no doubt Flanagan could get more out of our mob than Madge, and I'm pretty confident we would play with some type of structure and shape in attack and defence. Above all else, we need fresh assistant coaches to come in with the new coach.

The only coaching staff I'd be keeping is the KOE coach and Wayne Lambkin from Flegg.

Flanagan sides were pretty dour, would fight over a bone and win 14-12 in ugly matches. Was that him or his playing group of Lewis, Ennis, Gallen etc.

Our team couldn’t play like that.

Yeah I know, it was a real trademark of his coaching style, really get into the grind and bash the opposition until you crack them. I'd also like to see Hartigan and Pascoe out the door - I think Pascoe has done some very good things for the club off the field - Hartigan, I'm less certain about any highlights he's had since being at the club, but they are both intertwined with achieving success on the field and I reckon they've both had a shocker this year.

As far as CEO's go, I think you need to target people with astute business acumen, people who know how businesses run and what it takes to generate investment, income and longevity. Above all else, I think the CEO doesn't really need to focus about what's happening on the field so much as opposed to making the club successful off the field - develop a business plan and set about achieving it. Leave the player performance to the Football Manager, coaches and development staff - that's their specialty.

The football manager needs to be as equally switched on and someone who has a keen eye for talent, and I'd be looking at recently retired players who have a keen understanding of the game - this is where I'd take a punt on the likes of Farah, Lawrence - two guys who both obtained good educational qualifications at the Tigers and understand the modern game and have a keen eye for identifying talent and being able to sell the club in contract negotiations. Marshall is much maligned on here these days, but he's pretty sharp between the ears also and would probably make a decent football manager, but that's a separate conversation. I think having contemporary rugby league experience in this role is important.

 

[jadtiger]

Pual Green next WTs coach.....please Doc can I have a repeat prescription for my valium...its going to be a long off season...


It would be just the sort of pathetic decision the boys club would do.Replacing Madge who is being used as a scapegoat by another who is obviously another future scapegoat.Anything to cover their own culpability

Well jad,how come we can see it ,yet others cant wait to get rid of Madge because it doesnt suit their narrative ??


A few posters on here are blinded by dislike,they are certainly entitled to their opinion but i try to look at the detail not the headlines

You two are obviously just smarter.


Not a matter of being smarter just having a more open mind.As i said people are entitled to their own opinions.You have yours and i have mine

Wouldn't it be close minded to assume that others who base their opinions on incontrovertible evidenced aren't as open minded as your good self.

Once again you are showing a bias suggesting it is "incontrovertible" evidence,different people draw different conclusions from the same evidence.
You will probably get what you wish for,Lee's Kangaroo court is heading in that direction but we (WT) will be the ultimate losers imo.As the old saying goes "Be careful what you wish for"

 

[BAGNF05]

Can't see the WT gambling on Green, he's had a real fall from grace over the past couple of years. My preference would be for Ciraldo, I think the defensive structures he's put in place at the Panthers have clearly worked over the past couple of years and from what I've heard he has good rapport with the players.

I don't like how things transpired at the Sharks, but I've got no doubt Flanagan could get more out of our mob than Madge, and I'm pretty confident we would play with some type of structure and shape in attack and defence. Above all else, we need fresh assistant coaches to come in with the new coach.

The only coaching staff I'd be keeping is the KOE coach and Wayne Lambkin from Flegg.

Flanagan sides were pretty dour, would fight over a bone and win 14-12 in ugly matches. Was that him or his playing group of Lewis, Ennis, Gallen etc.

Our team couldn’t play like that.

Yeah I know, it was a real trademark of his coaching style, really get into the grind and bash the opposition until you crack them. I'd also like to see Hartigan and Pascoe out the door - I think Pascoe has done some very good things for the club off the field - Hartigan, I'm less certain about any highlights he's had since being at the club, but they are both intertwined with achieving success on the field and I reckon they've both had a shocker this year.

As far as CEO's go, I think you need to target people with astute business acumen, people who know how businesses run and what it takes to generate investment, income and longevity. Above all else, I think the CEO doesn't really need to focus about what's happening on the field so much as opposed to making the club successful off the field - develop a business plan and set about achieving it. Leave the player performance to the Football Manager, coaches and development staff - that's their specialty.

The football manager needs to be as equally switched on and someone who has a keen eye for talent, and I'd be looking at recently retired players who have a keen understanding of the game - this is where I'd take a punt on the likes of Farah, Lawrence - two guys who both obtained good educational qualifications at the Tigers and understand the modern game and have a keen eye for identifying talent and being able to sell the club in contract negotiations. Marshall is much maligned on here these days, but he's pretty sharp between the ears also and would probably make a decent football manager, but that's a separate conversation. I think having contemporary rugby league experience in this role is important.

If I compare us to the top sides, it’s just a given that they have a lot of cash in the bank. You don’t hear people talking about their management and their business skills. What you hear is Russell Crowe entertaining players at his ranch, Craig Bellamy arranging players work with tradies to develop their ethos, Nick Politis golfing with players or sorting out their new choppers.

I think we need management that put away the corporate spin and make players feel loved, roll out the welcome mat, not some made up vision of being a ‘destination’. I don’t really know what goes on behind the scenes but that doco just made the club appear like a gimmick.

 

[tig_prmz]

I find myself disagreeing with majority's opinions more and more on this Forum.

 

[Demps]

I find myself disagreeing with majority's opinions more and more on this Forum.

Such as?

You like Green?
Just trying to understand, lol.

 

[cochise]

Pual Green next WTs coach.....please Doc can I have a repeat prescription for my valium...its going to be a long off season...


It would be just the sort of pathetic decision the boys club would do.Replacing Madge who is being used as a scapegoat by another who is obviously another future scapegoat.Anything to cover their own culpability

Well jad,how come we can see it ,yet others cant wait to get rid of Madge because it doesnt suit their narrative ??

What narrative is that?

 

[WT2K]

Pual Green next WTs coach.....please Doc can I have a repeat prescription for my valium...its going to be a long off season...


 

[tig_prmz]

I find myself disagreeing with majority's opinions more and more on this Forum.

Such as?

You like Green?
Just trying to understand, lol.

Noffa, Mbye, people's snipes at the Board.. there's a lot. Usually I can block it out, but seems like I don't agree with the majority's opinions these days.

 

[TigerSJ]

Sheens as Manager of Football, Ciraldo as head coach, Hartigan as head of recruitment and retention.
Pascoe (actually think he needs to go now) but at best stick to club issues and stay out of all Football matters.

Along with this, apart from players already acknowledged as leaving we also need to let go of Cini, JTJ and Amone (understand they are off contract)plus If possible under the development contracts, Hoffman and Kei as well. Any other player who would like to look elsewhere can go as well as far as I’m concerned.

 

[jadtiger]

I find myself disagreeing with majority's opinions more and more on this Forum.

Such as?

You like Green?
Just trying to understand, lol.

Noffa, Mbye, people's snipes at the Board.. there's a lot. Usually I can block it out, but seems like I don't agree with the majority's opinions these days.

It would be a boring world if everyone agreed with each other.Also not being in step with the majority view does not mean you are wrong.
Hang in there your views are as valuable as everybody elses,after all the smartest lemming is the one who dosen't follow the rest over a cliff

 

[balmain boy]

Would there be any value for us for Green to join us as an assistant? What's considered to be his greatest strength?

 

[TrueTiger]

Pual Green next WTs coach.....please Doc can I have a repeat prescription for my valium...its going to be a long off season...


It would be just the sort of pathetic decision the boys club would do.Replacing Madge who is being used as a scapegoat by another who is obviously another future scapegoat.Anything to cover their own culpability

Well jad,how come we can see it ,yet others cant wait to get rid of Madge because it doesnt suit their narrative ??

What narrative is that?

Get rid of the coach because of the results instead of giving him the time to work further with the young guys next year to build the team and give them more NRL experience...
Laurie,AJ,Talau,Gildart,Hastings,Stef,Tom M,Blore,Musgrove,Tuilagi,Simpkin,Simpkins,Madden,Cini....all to get game time as the nucleus of the team and gell with the other squad members...Ken M,JTJ,Brooks ,Noffa ,Tamou,Twal as the older experienced leaders to help and also to work together to have a real team bond and support and look after each other,not just finger point when errors are made and some must show true leadership ..

 

[Needaname]

Can't see the WT gambling on Green, he's had a real fall from grace over the past couple of years. My preference would be for Ciraldo, I think the defensive structures he's put in place at the Panthers have clearly worked over the past couple of years and from what I've heard he has good rapport with the players.

I don't like how things transpired at the Sharks, but I've got no doubt Flanagan could get more out of our mob than Madge, and I'm pretty confident we would play with some type of structure and shape in attack and defence. Above all else, we need fresh assistant coaches to come in with the new coach.

The only coaching staff I'd be keeping is the KOE coach and Wayne Lambkin from Flegg.

Flanagan sides were pretty dour, would fight over a bone and win 14-12 in ugly matches. Was that him or his playing group of Lewis, Ennis, Gallen etc.

Our team couldn’t play like that.

Yeah I know, it was a real trademark of his coaching style, really get into the grind and bash the opposition until you crack them. I'd also like to see Hartigan and Pascoe out the door - I think Pascoe has done some very good things for the club off the field - Hartigan, I'm less certain about any highlights he's had since being at the club, but they are both intertwined with achieving success on the field and I reckon they've both had a shocker this year.

As far as CEO's go, I think you need to target people with astute business acumen, people who know how businesses run and what it takes to generate investment, income and longevity. Above all else, I think the CEO doesn't really need to focus about what's happening on the field so much as opposed to making the club successful off the field - develop a business plan and set about achieving it. Leave the player performance to the Football Manager, coaches and development staff - that's their specialty.

The football manager needs to be as equally switched on and someone who has a keen eye for talent, and I'd be looking at recently retired players who have a keen understanding of the game - this is where I'd take a punt on the likes of Farah, Lawrence - two guys who both obtained good educational qualifications at the Tigers and understand the modern game and have a keen eye for identifying talent and being able to sell the club in contract negotiations. Marshall is much maligned on here these days, but he's pretty sharp between the ears also and would probably make a decent football manager, but that's a separate conversation. I think having contemporary rugby league experience in this role is important.

If I compare us to the top sides, it’s just a given that they have a lot of cash in the bank. You don’t hear people talking about their management and their business skills. What you hear is Russell Crowe entertaining players at his ranch, Craig Bellamy arranging players work with tradies to develop their ethos, Nick Politis golfing with players or sorting out their new choppers.

I think we need management that put away the corporate spin and make players feel loved, roll out the welcome mat, not some made up vision of being a ‘destination’. I don’t really know what goes on behind the scenes but that doco just made the club appear like a gimmick.

Not to mention the actual day to day operations looks like amateur hour.

 

[Magpieger]

Preferably, i'd stick with Madge. Just wish he was more ruthless in his team selections... talks tough in a post-presser but picks the same old a few days later.
Flanno's an ex-Maggie and yes, he was a hard-head with a habit of toeing the line, but its that starch... that toughness, ruggedness... that arrogance that you're better than your opponent and with an ingrained desire not to let him get the better of you that we need to instill in the playing group. Blocker's spoken about that mindset before... Never lie down, never give up, just tuck the chin in and keep on swinging.
Flanno's Sharks were littered with rough gentlemen that had a desire to win, however ugly. Thats what he built his team on.
That should be a legacy of the Tigers and Magpies DNA that binds us to our heritage.
Flanno seems to have a connection with this character type, and knows how to deal with it, unlike Madge.
As for Flanno's past indescretions... how much grubbery has Melb introduced to the game and yet Bellyache is lauded as the games greatest ever coach?... Its laughable!
I've said before that I'm proud we've never been associated with grubbery, but what if we change the wording to "Shrewd"?... Both on and off the field... Well, shit!... we're DAMN smart operators!...
Hell, if the Storm and Roosters can do it, why cant we?
I'm sick of being crapped on.
Ruthlessness is the way to go.
Glamour Club?... Pretentious bullcrap!
Fake it 'til you make it?... Well thats worked well for 10 seasons...
We are who we are and there's no side-stepping it... we were built on a tough, uncomprimising, under-dog mentality.
Many of us remember this from both sides before the merger... pity the power-brokers don't.

 

[Swordy]

Green will be coaching Redcliffe. End of story. Worst kept secret.

 

[Roar_Power]

Sheens as Manager of Football, Ciraldo as head coach, Hartigan as head of recruitment and retention.
Pascoe (actually think he needs to go now) but at best stick to club issues and stay out of all Football matters.

Along with this, apart from players already acknowledged as leaving we also need to let go of Cini, JTJ and Amone (understand they are off contract)plus If possible under the development contracts, Hoffman and Kei as well. Any other player who would like to look elsewhere can go as well as far as I’m concerned.

I agree with everything you have said.