Paul Momirovski

[Russell]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

He would have been if told we wanted him (positive vibes mean a lot) and that he had just as good a chance as Joey and JTJ to play centre in the NRL Tigers team.

Easy to leave with no vibe, no chance of NRL etc. Why would you sign a new contract?

The problem here is that some posters rate Momo (I include myself in that) and some don't. Some wanted Laurie early, some didn't etc.etc.

I am pretty sure each side will not switch there opinion. So, seeing that it cannot be rectified - let's just hope that getting Laurie is worth it in the long run.

 

[hank37w]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Agree completely that Daine Laurie definitely shows potential and I think he will develop into a very good player, but he is not at this stage the world beater that some on this forum think that he is. Once again it is a case of potential that he may or may not achieve, which is something we have seen all too often at the Wests Tigers.

More often than not he is safe under the high ball, appears to be pretty fearless with his kick returns but rarely breaks the line and then quite often is man handled by the defense and forced back 10 or 15 metres.

Daine doesn't appear to possess blistering pace and the most puzzling thing is that after playing most of the season in 1st grade there is hardly any sign of an attacking combination developing which may very well be a coaching problem, but you would think he would be sniffing around the ball a lot more than he does.

As mentioned by Russell, the kid really needs to work on his defense and positioning, which once again he carries out fearlessly, but his inclusion this season had very little bearing on where we finished the year.

The bottom line is that at this stage of development Momo is a much more solid and effective player at centre than Daine is at fullback, and as already stated, Daine is rated much more highly than he currently should be by many on this forum.

As Russell has stated, we had the opportunity to have both for 2022 and possibly even for 2021 with some smart wheeling and dealing, which unfortunately seems to be something we are not the best at.

Yeah, I get the argument that we needed a full back, which we would of had in 2022 anyway, but we also needed decent, or at the very least, solid centres and players in just about every other position when it comes down to it and it still does my head in that this club rated Momo behind BJ, JTJ and Tommy.

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

He would have been if told we wanted him (positive vibes mean a lot) and that he had just as good a chance as Joey and JTJ to play centre in the NRL Tigers team.

Nobody here knows what he was told. I dont believe for a second that he was told that he would be behind JTJ and BJ. My reason for thinking this is that Madge had already said and more importantly shown that he was more than prepared to dump big money players back to Reggies with Reynolds, Packer and others getting stints in reggies. It makes no sense that he has no problem dumping Reynolds to Reggie's but some how BJ & JTJ are told that they are somehow special. This is backed up by the fact that he DID drop them both. No way for mine Momo was told he was behind them.

Then it is up to Momo (or any player) to earn his spot, if not, he is a sook and good riddance (I dont think he is but you seem to be implying he is).

Easy to leave with no vibe, no chance of NRL etc. Why would you sign a new contract?


Complete garbage...no vibe, ***no chance of NRL***. How did that pan out? How long did Madge stick with a JTJ/BJ pairing?

The problem here is that some posters rate Momo (I include myself in that) and some don't. Some wanted Laurie early, some didn't etc.etc.


Thats not the problem here. The problem is the artificial binary created by some here to further an anti club narrative. It is not a binary issue. It is not simply you rate Momo or you dont (I rate him as a good first grader, better than Blake Ayshford, Not as good as Shane Elford). It is also not simply he should have stayed because he was best option at centre or go.

There are more moving parts and in the end (with hindsight) they weakened one position to strengthen the other. IMO both Clubs gained from it.

I am pretty sure each side will not switch there opinion. So, seeing that it cannot be rectified - let's just hope that getting Laurie is worth it in the long run.

What difference does Laurie make in the long run? Laurie was always signed regardless of Momo and didnt take his position.

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Agree completely that Daine Laurie definitely shows potential and I think he will develop into a very good player, but he is not at this stage the world beater that some on this forum think that he is. Once again it is a case of potential that he may or may not achieve, which is something we have seen all too often at the Wests Tigers.

More often than not he is safe under the high ball, appears to be pretty fearless with his kick returns but rarely breaks the line and then quite often is man handled by the defense and forced back 10 or 15 metres.

Daine doesn't appear to possess blistering pace and the most puzzling thing is that after playing most of the season in 1st grade there is hardly any sign of an attacking combination developing which may very well be a coaching problem, but you would think he would be sniffing around the ball a lot more than he does.

As mentioned by Russell, the kid really needs to work on his defense and positioning, which once again he carries out fearlessly, but his inclusion this season had very little bearing on where we finished the year.

The bottom line is that at this stage of development Momo is a much more solid and effective player at centre than Daine is at fullback, and as already stated, Daine is rated much more highly than he currently should be by many on this forum.

As Russell has stated, we had the opportunity to have both for 2022 and possibly even for 2021 with some smart wheeling and dealing, which unfortunately seems to be something we are not the best at.

Yeah, I get the argument that we needed a full back, which we would of had in 2022 anyway, but we also needed decent, or at the very least, solid centres and players in just about every other position when it comes down to it and ***it still does my head in that this club rated Momo behind BJ, JTJ and Tommy.***

It does my head in how many people parrot this in the total absence of any evidence that it is true. The only evidence that exists (dropping first graders to reggies in 2020, dropping BJ & JTJ in 2021) suggests it cant be true, but it gets repeated over and over here like gospel.

 

[Russell]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

He would have been if told we wanted him (positive vibes mean a lot) and that he had just as good a chance as Joey and JTJ to play centre in the NRL Tigers team.

Nobody here knows what he was told. I dont believe for a second that he was told that he would be behind JTJ and BJ. My reason for thinking this is that Madge had already said and more importantly shown that he was more than prepared to dump big money players back to Reggies with Reynolds, Packer and others getting stints in reggies. It makes no sense that he has no problem dumping Reynolds to Reggie's but some how BJ & JTJ are told that they are somehow special. This is backed up by the fact that he DID drop them both. No way for mine Momo was told he was behind them.

Then it is up to Momo (or any player) to earn his spot, if not, he is a sook and good riddance (I dont think he is but you seem to be implying he is).

Easy to leave with no vibe, no chance of NRL etc. Why would you sign a new contract?


Complete garbage...no vibe, ***no chance of NRL***. How did that pan out? How long did Madge stick with a JTJ/BJ pairing?

The problem here is that some posters rate Momo (I include myself in that) and some don't. Some wanted Laurie early, some didn't etc.etc.


Thats not the problem here. The problem is the artificial binary created by some here to further an anti club narrative. It is not a binary issue. It is not simply you rate Momo or you dont (I rate him as a good first grader, better than Blake Ayshford, Not as good as Shane Elford). It is also not simply he should have stayed because he was best option at centre or go.

There are more moving parts and in the end (with hindsight) they weakened one position to strengthen the other. IMO both Clubs gained from it.

I am pretty sure each side will not switch there opinion. So, seeing that it cannot be rectified - let's just hope that getting Laurie is worth it in the long run.

What difference does Laurie make in the long run? Laurie was always signed regardless of Momo and didnt take his position.

You have made your opinion clear - thank you.

My opinion is we let a very very good centre go, because we saw some potential in a young FB that was coming in 2022.

In business terms, we sacrificed a very very good centre to get a potentially good FB a year early.

That is my opinion - I don't care about all the other bits and pieces.

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

He would have been if told we wanted him (positive vibes mean a lot) and that he had just as good a chance as Joey and JTJ to play centre in the NRL Tigers team.

Nobody here knows what he was told. I dont believe for a second that he was told that he would be behind JTJ and BJ. My reason for thinking this is that Madge had already said and more importantly shown that he was more than prepared to dump big money players back to Reggies with Reynolds, Packer and others getting stints in reggies. It makes no sense that he has no problem dumping Reynolds to Reggie's but some how BJ & JTJ are told that they are somehow special. This is backed up by the fact that he DID drop them both. No way for mine Momo was told he was behind them.

Then it is up to Momo (or any player) to earn his spot, if not, he is a sook and good riddance (I dont think he is but you seem to be implying he is).

Easy to leave with no vibe, no chance of NRL etc. Why would you sign a new contract?


Complete garbage...no vibe, ***no chance of NRL***. How did that pan out? How long did Madge stick with a JTJ/BJ pairing?

The problem here is that some posters rate Momo (I include myself in that) and some don't. Some wanted Laurie early, some didn't etc.etc.


Thats not the problem here. The problem is the artificial binary created by some here to further an anti club narrative. It is not a binary issue. It is not simply you rate Momo or you dont (I rate him as a good first grader, better than Blake Ayshford, Not as good as Shane Elford). It is also not simply he should have stayed because he was best option at centre or go.

There are more moving parts and in the end (with hindsight) they weakened one position to strengthen the other. IMO both Clubs gained from it.

I am pretty sure each side will not switch there opinion. So, seeing that it cannot be rectified - let's just hope that getting Laurie is worth it in the long run.

What difference does Laurie make in the long run? Laurie was always signed regardless of Momo and didnt take his position.

You have made your opinion clear - thank you.

My opinion is we let a very very good centre go, because we saw some potential in a young FB that was coming in 2022.

In business terms, we sacrificed a very very good centre to get a potentially good FB a year early.

That is my opinion - I don't care about all the other bits and pieces.

Actually my opinion isnt that much different to yours. In my version, I would lose the "very very" (he isnt Manu, lets be honest) and I would simply add that FB is a more critical position than centre.

 

[jirskyr]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Daine Laurie would have played about 10 games of reserve grade in 2021 if he hadn't got a release to Tigers.

Actually a reverse comment to you - would we have finished better than 13th if Momirovski had stayed and Moses Mbye was our first-choice fullback? Don't think so.

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

He would have been if told we wanted him (positive vibes mean a lot) and that he had just as good a chance as Joey and JTJ to play centre in the NRL Tigers team.

Nobody here knows what he was told. I dont believe for a second that he was told that he would be behind JTJ and BJ. My reason for thinking this is that Madge had already said and more importantly shown that he was more than prepared to dump big money players back to Reggies with Reynolds, Packer and others getting stints in reggies. It makes no sense that he has no problem dumping Reynolds to Reggie's but some how BJ & JTJ are told that they are somehow special. This is backed up by the fact that he DID drop them both. No way for mine Momo was told he was behind them.

Then it is up to Momo (or any player) to earn his spot, if not, he is a sook and good riddance (I dont think he is but you seem to be implying he is).

Easy to leave with no vibe, no chance of NRL etc. Why would you sign a new contract?


Complete garbage...no vibe, ***no chance of NRL***. How did that pan out? How long did Madge stick with a JTJ/BJ pairing?

The problem here is that some posters rate Momo (I include myself in that) and some don't. Some wanted Laurie early, some didn't etc.etc.


Thats not the problem here. The problem is the artificial binary created by some here to further an anti club narrative. It is not a binary issue. It is not simply you rate Momo or you dont (I rate him as a good first grader, better than Blake Ayshford, Not as good as Shane Elford). It is also not simply he should have stayed because he was best option at centre or go.

There are more moving parts and in the end (with hindsight) they weakened one position to strengthen the other. IMO both Clubs gained from it.

I am pretty sure each side will not switch there opinion. So, seeing that it cannot be rectified - let's just hope that getting Laurie is worth it in the long run.

What difference does Laurie make in the long run? Laurie was always signed regardless of Momo and didnt take his position.

You have made your opinion clear - thank you.

My opinion is we let a very very good centre go, because we saw some potential in a young FB that was coming in 2022.

In business terms, we sacrificed a very very good centre to get a potentially good FB a year early.

That is my opinion - I don't care about all the other bits and pieces.

Actually my opinion isnt that much different to yours. In my version, I would lose the "very very" (he isnt Manu, lets be honest) and I would simply add that FB is a more critical position than centre.

My point above (which reads more forcefully put than intended) is that the "he was told he was third in line" narrative is at bet dubious, is not proven and is IMO rubbish.

EDIT: Didnt mean to reply to myself, meant to edit rather than reply

 

[Tiger5150]

With all the hand wringing here about letting the greatest RL centre since Reg Gasnier go to Penrith, does anyone realise that Penrith havent signed him for 2022 yet. He doesnt have a Contract at this stage. Im sure that is where he will end up, but it doesnt exactly fit the narrative?

https://www.zerotackle.com/premiership-panther-tipped-to-land-new-deal-110752/

 

[Geo]

Great..sign him up and let Roberts go fishing or something..

 

[Russell]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Daine Laurie would have played about 10 games of reserve grade in 2021 if he hadn't got a release to Tigers.

Actually a reverse comment to you - would we have finished better than 13th if Momirovski had stayed and Moses Mbye was our first-choice fullback? Don't think so.

Generally agree with you 95% of the time, but I differ here...

You would have had less line breaks through the centres with Momo.

If Mbye had played FB - he would have only had to have stopped a couple of tries as opposed to Laurie who at this stage is a bit of a turnstyle.

So I think so.

 

[twentyforty]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Daine Laurie would have played about 10 games of reserve grade in 2021 if he hadn't got a release to Tigers.

Actually a reverse comment to you - would we have finished better than 13th if Momirovski had stayed and Moses Mbye was our first-choice fullback? Don't think so.

Generally agree with you 95% of the time, but I differ here...

You would have had less line breaks through the centres with Momo.

If Mbye had played FB - he would have only had to have stopped a couple of tries as opposed to Laurie who at this stage is a bit of a turnstyle.

So I think so.

I think Penrith are happy with Momirovski. He capably fills a position which Laurie would not have done.

 

[Tiger-ferret]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

He would have been if told we wanted him (positive vibes mean a lot) and that he had just as good a chance as Joey and JTJ to play centre in the NRL Tigers team.

Nobody here knows what he was told. I dont believe for a second that he was told that he would be behind JTJ and BJ. My reason for thinking this is that Madge had already said and more importantly shown that he was more than prepared to dump big money players back to Reggies with Reynolds, Packer and others getting stints in reggies. It makes no sense that he has no problem dumping Reynolds to Reggie's but some how BJ & JTJ are told that they are somehow special. This is backed up by the fact that he DID drop them both. No way for mine Momo was told he was behind them.

Then it is up to Momo (or any player) to earn his spot, if not, he is a sook and good riddance (I dont think he is but you seem to be implying he is).

Easy to leave with no vibe, no chance of NRL etc. Why would you sign a new contract?


Complete garbage...no vibe, ***no chance of NRL***. How did that pan out? How long did Madge stick with a JTJ/BJ pairing?

The problem here is that some posters rate Momo (I include myself in that) and some don't. Some wanted Laurie early, some didn't etc.etc.


Thats not the problem here. The problem is the artificial binary created by some here to further an anti club narrative. It is not a binary issue. It is not simply you rate Momo or you dont (I rate him as a good first grader, better than Blake Ayshford, Not as good as Shane Elford). It is also not simply he should have stayed because he was best option at centre or go.

There are more moving parts and in the end (with hindsight) they weakened one position to strengthen the other. IMO both Clubs gained from it.

I am pretty sure each side will not switch there opinion. So, seeing that it cannot be rectified - let's just hope that getting Laurie is worth it in the long run.

What difference does Laurie make in the long run? Laurie was always signed regardless of Momo and didnt take his position.

You have made your opinion clear - thank you.

My opinion is we let a very very good centre go, because we saw some potential in a young FB that was coming in 2022.

In business terms, we sacrificed a very very good centre to get a potentially good FB a year early.

That is my opinion - I don't care about all the other bits and pieces.

Actually my opinion isnt that much different to yours. In my version, I would lose the "very very" (he isnt Manu, lets be honest) and I would simply add that FB is a more critical position than centre.

Momo will never be a marquee centre. Laurie MAY turn out to be a marquee fullback which on the open market we would never ever be able to attract.

 

[2005magic]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Agree completely that Daine Laurie definitely shows potential and I think he will develop into a very good player, but he is not at this stage the world beater that some on this forum think that he is. Once again it is a case of potential that he may or may not achieve, which is something we have seen all too often at the Wests Tigers.

More often than not he is safe under the high ball, appears to be pretty fearless with his kick returns but rarely breaks the line and then quite often is man handled by the defense and forced back 10 or 15 metres.

Daine doesn't appear to possess blistering pace and the most puzzling thing is that after playing most of the season in 1st grade there is hardly any sign of an attacking combination developing which may very well be a coaching problem, but you would think he would be sniffing around the ball a lot more than he does.

As mentioned by Russell, the kid really needs to work on his defense and positioning, which once again he carries out fearlessly, but his inclusion this season had very little bearing on where we finished the year.

The bottom line is that at this stage of development Momo is a much more solid and effective player at centre than Daine is at fullback, and as already stated, Daine is rated much more highly than he currently should be by many on this forum.

As Russell has stated, we had the opportunity to have both for 2022 and possibly even for 2021 with some smart wheeling and dealing, which unfortunately seems to be something we are not the best at.

Yeah, I get the argument that we needed a full back, which we would of had in 2022 anyway, but we also needed decent, or at the very least, solid centres and players in just about every other position when it comes down to it and ***it still does my head in that this club rated Momo behind BJ, JTJ and Tommy.***

It does my head in how many people parrot this in the total absence of any evidence that it is true. The only evidence that exists (dropping first graders to reggies in 2020, dropping BJ & JTJ in 2021) suggests it cant be true, but it gets repeated over and over here like gospel.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-penrith-panthers-sign-paul-momirovski-swap-deal-daine-laurie-wests-tigers-ivan-cleary-michael-maguire/news-story/db7c91cbd711dffc5d65f909a37ac6a4

Penrith Panthers land Paul Momirovski in swap deal with Wests Tigers
The Tigers and Panthers have completed a player swap.

George Clarke from Fox Sports
February 7th, 2021 8:47 am
EXCLUSIVE – Penrith coach Ivan Cleary has bolstered his backline by adding Wests Tigers centre Paul Momirovski to his squad with young Panthers fullback Daine Laurie going the other way.

The centre, who was strongly linked to Canterbury, was part of the Harry Grant loan swap between the Tigers and the Storm.

He played six games and scored four tries for Melbourne in 2020 before a hand injury saw him lose his place in the side and miss out on a spot in the grand final.

The 24-year-old, who has 14 tries in 19 NRL games, had been training at five-eighth during the pre-season and requested two releases after being told by coach Michael Maguire he was behind Joey Leilua and James Roberts in the pecking order at Concord.

He will now go head to head with Brent Naden and Tyrone May for Penrith’s right centre spot and also provides handy goalkicking depth should Cleary’s son, Nathan, go down with injury.

Laurie, meanwhile, joins the Tigers a year early after he agreed he would leave Penrith for Concord in 2022.

The fullback or five-eighth has played just three NRL games, but is a highly-rated prospect and will now be at the club for the next three seasons.

The Tigers and Panthers meet for the first time in 2021 in Round 13 at Leichhardt Oval.

 

[batboy]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

 

[GNR4LIFE]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

That was the talk, but I don’t think there was ever anything official from the club regarding this.

 

[batboy]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

He would have been if told we wanted him (positive vibes mean a lot) and that he had just as good a chance as Joey and JTJ to play centre in the NRL Tigers team.

Nobody here knows what he was told. I dont believe for a second that he was told that he would be behind JTJ and BJ. My reason for thinking this is that Madge had already said and more importantly shown that he was more than prepared to dump big money players back to Reggies with Reynolds, Packer and others getting stints in reggies. It makes no sense that he has no problem dumping Reynolds to Reggie's but some how BJ & JTJ are told that they are somehow special. This is backed up by the fact that he DID drop them both. No way for mine Momo was told he was behind them.

Then it is up to Momo (or any player) to earn his spot, if not, he is a sook and good riddance (I dont think he is but you seem to be implying he is).

Easy to leave with no vibe, no chance of NRL etc. Why would you sign a new contract?


Complete garbage...no vibe, ***no chance of NRL***. How did that pan out? How long did Madge stick with a JTJ/BJ pairing?

The problem here is that some posters rate Momo (I include myself in that) and some don't. Some wanted Laurie early, some didn't etc.etc.


Thats not the problem here. The problem is the artificial binary created by some here to further an anti club narrative. It is not a binary issue. It is not simply you rate Momo or you dont (I rate him as a good first grader, better than Blake Ayshford, Not as good as Shane Elford). It is also not simply he should have stayed because he was best option at centre or go.

There are more moving parts and in the end (with hindsight) they weakened one position to strengthen the other. IMO both Clubs gained from it.

I am pretty sure each side will not switch there opinion. So, seeing that it cannot be rectified - let's just hope that getting Laurie is worth it in the long run.

What difference does Laurie make in the long run? Laurie was always signed regardless of Momo and didnt take his position.

You have made your opinion clear - thank you.

My opinion is we let a very very good centre go, because we saw some potential in a young FB that was coming in 2022.

In business terms, we sacrificed a very very good centre to get a potentially good FB a year early.

That is my opinion - I don't care about all the other bits and pieces.

We also took a punt that the centre we bought was going to be better than he was - Which he should well have been...
I think it was a coupling of both these things...

 

[tigerballs]

With all the hand wringing here about letting the greatest RL centre since Reg Gasnier go to Penrith, does anyone realise that Penrith havent signed him for 2022 yet. He doesnt have a Contract at this stage. Im sure that is where he will end up, but it doesnt exactly fit the narrative?

https://www.zerotackle.com/premiership-panther-tipped-to-land-new-deal-110752/

Remember in this forum last year when everyone wanted to sign Stephen Crichton for $700k? He was the winger playing outside Momo in the GF.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

With all the hand wringing here about letting the greatest RL centre since Reg Gasnier go to Penrith, does anyone realise that Penrith havent signed him for 2022 yet. He doesnt have a Contract at this stage. Im sure that is where he will end up, but it doesnt exactly fit the narrative?

https://www.zerotackle.com/premiership-panther-tipped-to-land-new-deal-110752/

Remember in this forum last year when everyone wanted to sign Stephen Crichton for $700k? He was the winger playing outside Momo in the GF.

And scored the match winner.

 

[Tiger Woods]

Speaking of momo does anybody remember the momo steering wheel they were great back in the day 😆