Paul Momirovski

[cochise]

If we possessed any sort of negotiating skills, I'm sure we could have got Dane early. The stupidity in us rating Momo as #4 centre was way off.

Who says we did?

The business about Momo being told that he was rated behind BJ, JTJ and Tommy, I think was fairly widely reported on here and in the media.

I think we just need to agree to disagree on this one, but *the main point I have been trying to push* is that Momo would have been our best centre and not by a short margin.

This I can agree with you on. There is no doubt IMO Momo would have been our best option for centre. First centre picked.

IMO our team is stronger with Laurie at 1 and Momo absent than Momo at centre and Laurie absent

That is how I view it as well. I also don't see how we could have moved Mbye on without seeing Laurie at Fullback for this season.

 

[Needaname]

If we possessed any sort of negotiating skills, I'm sure we could have got Dane early. The stupidity in us rating Momo as #4 centre was way off.

Who says we did?

The business about Momo being told that he was rated behind BJ, JTJ and Tommy, I think was fairly widely reported on here and in the media.

I think we just need to agree to disagree on this one, but *the main point I have been trying to push* is that Momo would have been our best centre and not by a short margin.

This I can agree with you on. There is no doubt IMO Momo would have been our best option for centre. First centre picked.

IMO our team is stronger with Laurie at 1 and Momo absent than Momo at centre and Laurie absent

That is how I view it as well. I also don't see how we could have moved Mbye on without seeing Laurie at Fullback for this season.

That is also a good point.

 

[Magpie1969]

Momers has got something no one in our current squad will ever obtain at WT a premiership ring. He is not a star but a solid player in the right set up. What he lacks in pace he makes up between the ears.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Didnt think it would take long for the Momorovski love posts to arrive.....

If you had been paying attention, you might have noticed that the 'love' posts are part of a continuum that have been arriving for quite a long time.

 

[rustycage]

Shows how bad we've been for a decade when a player like Momers can get so much attention... at almost every other club he's just an okay player but we've got fans talking about him like he's Mal Meninga

Good on him, had a solid season and got his ring. Having him at tigers would've made very little difference this year

His defence would of made a huge difference this season alone, Robinson didn’t want him to leave the Roosters Bellamy wanted him and Clearly also wanted him, but he wasn’t good enough for WT, go figure.


I was as shocked as anyone to hear that Moma was regarded by the club as not good enough to be rated as a full time centre because we had Roberts, BJ and Talau. I didn’t rate those 3 as half as good as Moma and still don’t.
What would make the club happy to pay part of his contract to play for Penrith? It had to be politically or emotively motivated? Which also makes me wonder if that decision was not Maguire’s.?
In my attempts to rationalise this swap deal for Laurie, I could only find one fault with Moma, he was a Cleary recruit.
I can accept there are biases in the decision making process, just wish we could all be more focussed on being winners.

We desperately needed a fullback. They required a centre. We didn't let him go, we traded. Would be great to hold onto everyone we would like to, but thats not how the world works - not at this point anyway.

 

[rihannafan1]

Shows how bad we've been for a decade when a player like Momers can get so much attention... at almost every other club he's just an okay player but we've got fans talking about him like he's Mal Meninga

Good on him, had a solid season and got his ring. Having him at tigers would've made very little difference this year

His defence would of made a huge difference this season alone, Robinson didn’t want him to leave the Roosters Bellamy wanted him and Clearly also wanted him, but he wasn’t good enough for WT, go figure.


I was as shocked as anyone to hear that Moma was regarded by the club as not good enough to be rated as a full time centre because we had Roberts, BJ and Talau. I didn’t rate those 3 as half as good as Moma and still don’t.
What would make the club happy to pay part of his contract to play for Penrith? It had to be politically or emotively motivated? Which also makes me wonder if that decision was not Maguire’s.?
In my attempts to rationalise this swap deal for Laurie, I could only find one fault with Moma, he was a Cleary recruit.
I can accept there are biases in the decision making process, just wish we could all be more focussed on being winners.

We desperately needed a fullback. They required a centre. We didn't let him go, we traded. Would be great to hold onto everyone we would like to, but thats not how the world works - not at this point anyway.

The argument should also include that we had already signed him for 2022, so trading for him a year early was desperate. Then there's the recruitment reasons behind why were we desperate at fullback in the first place. He was a good player for us but two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[twentyforty]

Shows how bad we've been for a decade when a player like Momers can get so much attention... at almost every other club he's just an okay player but we've got fans talking about him like he's Mal Meninga

Good on him, had a solid season and got his ring. Having him at tigers would've made very little difference this year

His defence would of made a huge difference this season alone, Robinson didn’t want him to leave the Roosters Bellamy wanted him and Clearly also wanted him, but he wasn’t good enough for WT, go figure.


I was as shocked as anyone to hear that Moma was regarded by the club as not good enough to be rated as a full time centre because we had Roberts, BJ and Talau. I didn’t rate those 3 as half as good as Moma and still don’t.
What would make the club happy to pay part of his contract to play for Penrith? It had to be politically or emotively motivated? Which also makes me wonder if that decision was not Maguire’s.?
In my attempts to rationalise this swap deal for Laurie, I could only find one fault with Moma, he was a Cleary recruit.
I can accept there are biases in the decision making process, just wish we could all be more focussed on being winners.

We desperately needed a fullback. They required a centre. We didn't let him go, we traded. Would be great to hold onto everyone we would like to, but thats not how the world works - not at this point anyway.

The argument should also include that we had already signed him for 2022, so trading for him a year early was desperate. Then there's the recruitment reasons behind why were we desperate at fullback in the first place. He was a good player for us but two wrongs don't make a right.

Agree, its too simplistic to try justifying the swap as a great outcome for WT, because it isn't. We lose a decent centre, excluding Doueihi probably our best. We pay part of his contract for him to play at Penrith, while on the credit side of the ledger we get our fullback which we already had signed.
There's no doubt in my mind that Penrith were in control of this situation, and it could be yet another example of how weak we are at negotiating favourable outcomes? The reasons for us being so limp could be many, but it is clear that we are not a cohesive team on the park or in the board room.
Its a game of pin the tail on the donkey without an accurate chronological sequence of events. My best guess though is that Moma wanted out, then he was relegated to reggies, then he asked for a release because he knew Cleary wanted him. All that remained was for the WT to hang on until they released Laurie early.

 

[jirskyr]

This I can agree with you on. There is no doubt IMO Momo would have been our best option for centre. First centre picked.

This is what it's come to - offseason debates over whether or not Momirovski would have been our best centre. Not even that he's particularly good, just that he would have played better than the guys we had. How low the bar has been set!

 

[Tiger5150]

This I can agree with you on. There is no doubt IMO Momo would have been our best option for centre. First centre picked.


This is what it's come to - offseason debates over whether or not Momirovski would have been our best centre. Not even that he's particularly good, just that he would have played better than the guys we had. How low the bar has been set!

I still agree with the clubs decision to let him go

 

[Tiger5150]

This I can agree with you on. There is no doubt IMO Momo would have been our best option for centre. First centre picked.


This is what it's come to - offseason debates over whether or not Momirovski would have been our best centre. Not even that he's particularly good, just that he would have played better than the guys we had. How low the bar has been set!

This thread is like two factions arguing with each other, one faction arguing that the sky is blue and the other faction arguing that water is wet.

Most in this thread arguing that the club did the wrong thing letting Momo go because he was our best centre option.

Others are arguing that the club did the right thing letting him go because despite the fact that it did (in hindsight) weaken centre, it strengthened fullback and strengthened the team overall.

 

[twentyforty]

This I can agree with you on. There is no doubt IMO Momo would have been our best option for centre. First centre picked.


This is what it's come to - offseason debates over whether or not Momirovski would have been our best centre. Not even that he's particularly good, just that he would have played better than the guys we had. How low the bar has been set!

I still agree with the clubs decision to let him go

I doubt the club had a choice in the matter?

 

[Tiger5150]

This I can agree with you on. There is no doubt IMO Momo would have been our best option for centre. First centre picked.


This is what it's come to - offseason debates over whether or not Momirovski would have been our best centre. Not even that he's particularly good, just that he would have played better than the guys we had. How low the bar has been set!

I still agree with the clubs decision to let him go


I doubt the club had a choice in the matter?

How do you mean? Surely they could have foregone getting Laurie early and enforced Momo's contract?

 

[rihannafan1]

Shows how bad we've been for a decade when a player like Momers can get so much attention... at almost every other club he's just an okay player but we've got fans talking about him like he's Mal Meninga

Good on him, had a solid season and got his ring. Having him at tigers would've made very little difference this year

His defence would of made a huge difference this season alone, Robinson didn’t want him to leave the Roosters Bellamy wanted him and Clearly also wanted him, but he wasn’t good enough for WT, go figure.


I was as shocked as anyone to hear that Moma was regarded by the club as not good enough to be rated as a full time centre because we had Roberts, BJ and Talau. I didn’t rate those 3 as half as good as Moma and still don’t.
What would make the club happy to pay part of his contract to play for Penrith? It had to be politically or emotively motivated? Which also makes me wonder if that decision was not Maguire’s.?
In my attempts to rationalise this swap deal for Laurie, I could only find one fault with Moma, he was a Cleary recruit.
I can accept there are biases in the decision making process, just wish we could all be more focussed on being winners.

We desperately needed a fullback. They required a centre. We didn't let him go, we traded. Would be great to hold onto everyone we would like to, but thats not how the world works - not at this point anyway.

The argument should also include that we had already signed him for 2022, so trading for him a year early was desperate. Then there's the recruitment reasons behind why were we desperate at fullback in the first place. He was a good player for us but two wrongs don't make a right.

Agree, its too simplistic to try justifying the swap as a great outcome for WT, because it isn't. We lose a decent centre, excluding Doueihi probably our best. We pay part of his contract for him to play at Penrith, while on the credit side of the ledger we get our fullback which we already had signed.
There's no doubt in my mind that Penrith were in control of this situation, and it could be yet another example of how weak we are at negotiating favourable outcomes? The reasons for us being so limp could be many, but it is clear that we are not a cohesive team on the park or in the board room.
Its a game of pin the tail on the donkey without an accurate chronological sequence of events. My best guess though is that Moma wanted out, then he was relegated to reggies, then he asked for a release because he knew Cleary wanted him. All that remained was for the WT to hang on until they released Laurie early.

Sadly, even his swap to Melbourne did us little good. We got Grant (again in a position we were desperate to fill due to our recruitment issues) for a year who papered over the cracks and gave Melbourne a year of development, but then didn't keep him nor did we keep Momorovski.

You could argue that it was that development with the Storm that got him to go to Penrith but you could also say Ivan already knew about him because he brought him to WTs in the first place.

 

[twentyforty]

This I can agree with you on. There is no doubt IMO Momo would have been our best option for centre. First centre picked.


This is what it's come to - offseason debates over whether or not Momirovski would have been our best centre. Not even that he's particularly good, just that he would have played better than the guys we had. How low the bar has been set!

I still agree with the clubs decision to let him go


I doubt the club had a choice in the matter?

How do you mean? Surely they could have foregone getting Laurie early and enforced Momo's contract?

Sure, but everyone loses from that choice.

 

[twentyforty]

Shows how bad we've been for a decade when a player like Momers can get so much attention... at almost every other club he's just an okay player but we've got fans talking about him like he's Mal Meninga

Good on him, had a solid season and got his ring. Having him at tigers would've made very little difference this year

His defence would of made a huge difference this season alone, Robinson didn’t want him to leave the Roosters Bellamy wanted him and Clearly also wanted him, but he wasn’t good enough for WT, go figure.


I was as shocked as anyone to hear that Moma was regarded by the club as not good enough to be rated as a full time centre because we had Roberts, BJ and Talau. I didn’t rate those 3 as half as good as Moma and still don’t.
What would make the club happy to pay part of his contract to play for Penrith? It had to be politically or emotively motivated? Which also makes me wonder if that decision was not Maguire’s.?
In my attempts to rationalise this swap deal for Laurie, I could only find one fault with Moma, he was a Cleary recruit.
I can accept there are biases in the decision making process, just wish we could all be more focussed on being winners.

We desperately needed a fullback. They required a centre. We didn't let him go, we traded. Would be great to hold onto everyone we would like to, but thats not how the world works - not at this point anyway.

The argument should also include that we had already signed him for 2022, so trading for him a year early was desperate. Then there's the recruitment reasons behind why were we desperate at fullback in the first place. He was a good player for us but two wrongs don't make a right.

Agree, its too simplistic to try justifying the swap as a great outcome for WT, because it isn't. We lose a decent centre, excluding Doueihi probably our best. We pay part of his contract for him to play at Penrith, while on the credit side of the ledger we get our fullback which we already had signed.
There's no doubt in my mind that Penrith were in control of this situation, and it could be yet another example of how weak we are at negotiating favourable outcomes? The reasons for us being so limp could be many, but it is clear that we are not a cohesive team on the park or in the board room.
Its a game of pin the tail on the donkey without an accurate chronological sequence of events. My best guess though is that Moma wanted out, then he was relegated to reggies, then he asked for a release because he knew Cleary wanted him. All that remained was for the WT to hang on until they released Laurie early.

Sadly, even his swap to Melbourne did us little good. We got Grant (again in a position we were desperate to fill due to our recruitment issues) for a year who papered over the cracks and gave Melbourne a year of development, but then didn't keep him nor did we keep Momorovski.

You could argue that it was that development with the Storm that got him to go to Penrith but you could also say Ivan already knew about him because he brought him to WTs in the first place.

Moma had previously played with a few of the Panthers. So Ivan could be in the clear? It may have been an innocent chat around the bbq. We all know that you don’t ask for a release if you’ve got nowhere to go.

 

[twentyforty]

Shows how bad we've been for a decade when a player like Momers can get so much attention... at almost every other club he's just an okay player but we've got fans talking about him like he's Mal Meninga

Good on him, had a solid season and got his ring. Having him at tigers would've made very little difference this year

His defence would of made a huge difference this season alone, Robinson didn’t want him to leave the Roosters Bellamy wanted him and Clearly also wanted him, but he wasn’t good enough for WT, go figure.


I was as shocked as anyone to hear that Moma was regarded by the club as not good enough to be rated as a full time centre because we had Roberts, BJ and Talau. I didn’t rate those 3 as half as good as Moma and still don’t.
What would make the club happy to pay part of his contract to play for Penrith? It had to be politically or emotively motivated? Which also makes me wonder if that decision was not Maguire’s.?
In my attempts to rationalise this swap deal for Laurie, I could only find one fault with Moma, he was a Cleary recruit.
I can accept there are biases in the decision making process, just wish we could all be more focussed on being winners.

We desperately needed a fullback. They required a centre. We didn't let him go, we traded. Would be great to hold onto everyone we would like to, but thats not how the world works - not at this point anyway.

What if we didn’t trade him and we didn’t let him go?
The only possible explanation is that Moma wanted out. Despite being our best centre, he was bound for Reggie’s just as Aloaioi was told he would be mowing LO.

 

[Russell]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

 

[Plisskin]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Exactly. Good post.

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

 

[twentyforty]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

It makes sense to wait right?
So why didn’t they wait?
But not if Moma doesn’t want to be here. imo that’s what forced WT hand, rather than any other feature of this so called exchange. When you think about all the players who’ve been slamming the door on the way out, your attention is drawn to recognise the purposeful opportunism of Momirovski, who quietly closed the door, maybe even left it ajar, regardless of being consigned to Reggie’s. And walked into another Grand Final.