Paul Momirovski

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Agree completely that Daine Laurie definitely shows potential and I think he will develop into a very good player, but he is not at this stage the world beater that some on this forum think that he is. Once again it is a case of potential that he may or may not achieve, which is something we have seen all too often at the Wests Tigers.

More often than not he is safe under the high ball, appears to be pretty fearless with his kick returns but rarely breaks the line and then quite often is man handled by the defense and forced back 10 or 15 metres.

Daine doesn't appear to possess blistering pace and the most puzzling thing is that after playing most of the season in 1st grade there is hardly any sign of an attacking combination developing which may very well be a coaching problem, but you would think he would be sniffing around the ball a lot more than he does.

As mentioned by Russell, the kid really needs to work on his defense and positioning, which once again he carries out fearlessly, but his inclusion this season had very little bearing on where we finished the year.

The bottom line is that at this stage of development Momo is a much more solid and effective player at centre than Daine is at fullback, and as already stated, Daine is rated much more highly than he currently should be by many on this forum.

As Russell has stated, we had the opportunity to have both for 2022 and possibly even for 2021 with some smart wheeling and dealing, which unfortunately seems to be something we are not the best at.

Yeah, I get the argument that we needed a full back, which we would of had in 2022 anyway, but we also needed decent, or at the very least, solid centres and players in just about every other position when it comes down to it and ***it still does my head in that this club rated Momo behind BJ, JTJ and Tommy.***

It does my head in how many people parrot this in the total absence of any evidence that it is true. The only evidence that exists (dropping first graders to reggies in 2020, dropping BJ & JTJ in 2021) suggests it cant be true, but it gets repeated over and over here like gospel.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-penrith-panthers-sign-paul-momirovski-swap-deal-daine-laurie-wests-tigers-ivan-cleary-michael-maguire/news-story/db7c91cbd711dffc5d65f909a37ac6a4

Penrith Panthers land Paul Momirovski in swap deal with Wests Tigers
The Tigers and Panthers have completed a player swap.

George Clarke from Fox Sports
February 7th, 2021 8:47 am
EXCLUSIVE – Penrith coach Ivan Cleary has bolstered his backline by adding Wests Tigers centre Paul Momirovski to his squad with young Panthers fullback Daine Laurie going the other way.

The centre, who was strongly linked to Canterbury, was part of the Harry Grant loan swap between the Tigers and the Storm.

He played six games and scored four tries for Melbourne in 2020 before a hand injury saw him lose his place in the side and miss out on a spot in the grand final.

The 24-year-old, who has 14 tries in 19 NRL games, had been training at five-eighth during the pre-season and requested two releases after being told by coach Michael Maguire he was behind Joey Leilua and James Roberts in the pecking order at Concord.

He will now go head to head with Brent Naden and Tyrone May for Penrith’s right centre spot and also provides handy goalkicking depth should Cleary’s son, Nathan, go down with injury.

Laurie, meanwhile, joins the Tigers a year early after he agreed he would leave Penrith for Concord in 2022.

The fullback or five-eighth has played just three NRL games, but is a highly-rated prospect and will now be at the club for the next three seasons.

The Tigers and Panthers meet for the first time in 2021 in Round 13 at Leichhardt Oval.

Because George Clarke said it?

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

No he didnt and he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

 

[batboy]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

No he didnt and he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

No he didnt and he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

If he didn't sign the extension prior to going to the storm - How was hew here at the Start of this year?
We originally signed him for 2 years (19-20) But he was here this year...
I remember the NRL writing it up at the time, That's why the trade took so long - Because he needed to be contracted after it...

This from Wikipedia *"There were further delays due to injury to Brandon Smith causing Melbourne to hold up proceedings so they could have Grant provide back up to Cameron Smith in the early rounds of the season,[9] and briefly by Momirovski wishing to sign a new contract with Wests Tigers prior to leaving,[10] but the deal was finally made official during round 2 of the season, coinciding with the announcement that Momirovski had signed a contract with Wests Tigers for the 2021, and 2022 seasons. This deal was the first of its kind in the NRL."*

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

No he didnt and he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

No he didnt and he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

If he didn't sign the extension prior to going to the storm - How was hew here at the Start of this year?
We originally signed him for 2 years (19-20) But he was here this year...
I remember the NRL writing it up at the time, That's why the trade took so long - Because he needed to be contracted after it...

This from Wikipedia *"There were further delays due to injury to Brandon Smith causing Melbourne to hold up proceedings so they could have Grant provide back up to Cameron Smith in the early rounds of the season,[9] and briefly by Momirovski wishing to sign a new contract with Wests Tigers prior to leaving,[10] but the deal was finally made official during round 2 of the season, coinciding with the announcement that Momirovski had signed a contract with Wests Tigers for the 2021, and 2022 seasons. This deal was the first of its kind in the NRL."*

The contractual hiccup was in the end they had to technically release him from his Contract to go to the Storm and recontract him to come back but was signed for 2021 only, which is why he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

 

[batboy]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

No he didnt and he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

No he didnt and he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

If he didn't sign the extension prior to going to the storm - How was hew here at the Start of this year?
We originally signed him for 2 years (19-20) But he was here this year...
I remember the NRL writing it up at the time, That's why the trade took so long - Because he needed to be contracted after it...

This from Wikipedia *"There were further delays due to injury to Brandon Smith causing Melbourne to hold up proceedings so they could have Grant provide back up to Cameron Smith in the early rounds of the season,[9] and briefly by Momirovski wishing to sign a new contract with Wests Tigers prior to leaving,[10] but the deal was finally made official during round 2 of the season, coinciding with the announcement that Momirovski had signed a contract with Wests Tigers for the 2021, and 2022 seasons. This deal was the first of its kind in the NRL."*

He was signed for 2021 only, which is why he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

I remember it announced at the time, If I could be bothered finding it I would... Wiki backs up the memory I have of it.
Maybe it was a second year in our favour - But it was 2 years.
Unless you're Paul Momirovski, Or the NRL Salary cap auditor - You're wrong...

Anyhow - As you were

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

No he didnt and he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Momo wasnt contracted for 2022.

My memory may be giving out on me - But I think you'll find he was (Pretty sure he signed a 2 year extension before he went to the storm)

No he didnt and he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

If he didn't sign the extension prior to going to the storm - How was hew here at the Start of this year?
We originally signed him for 2 years (19-20) But he was here this year...
I remember the NRL writing it up at the time, That's why the trade took so long - Because he needed to be contracted after it...

This from Wikipedia *"There were further delays due to injury to Brandon Smith causing Melbourne to hold up proceedings so they could have Grant provide back up to Cameron Smith in the early rounds of the season,[9] and briefly by Momirovski wishing to sign a new contract with Wests Tigers prior to leaving,[10] but the deal was finally made official during round 2 of the season, coinciding with the announcement that Momirovski had signed a contract with Wests Tigers for the 2021, and 2022 seasons. This deal was the first of its kind in the NRL."*

He was signed for 2021 only, which is why he is currently uncontracted at Penrith.

I remember it announced at the time, If I could be bothered finding it I would... Wiki backs up the memory I have of it.
Maybe it was a second year in our favour - But it was 2 years.
Unless you're Paul Momirovski, Or the NRL Salary cap auditor - You're wrong...

Anyhow - As you were

Man Im sick of this place.

Ok your right. You feel better? Do you feel bigger, more muscular, more alpha, more right in todays society?

Im sure you are right, couldnt be anything else, because at the end of the day Im not Paul Momorovski, the salary cap auditor or you. Of course it makes total sense that he would leave here on a swap deal with two years left in his contract but be with out a Contract 12 months later.

Thanks for putting the world straight for all of us.

 

[Needaname]

Can I burst your bubble @Tiger5150 ?
I also thought the same, but the article clarifies with quotes from upper management (sorry can’t remember who) that he is currently on contract for 22 but we would like to extend him long term and give him a long term future at the Panthers.

Mind you that doesn’t clear up the answer to whether the Tigers did or did not have him signed up for 22 prior to the swap.

 

[2005magic]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Agree completely that Daine Laurie definitely shows potential and I think he will develop into a very good player, but he is not at this stage the world beater that some on this forum think that he is. Once again it is a case of potential that he may or may not achieve, which is something we have seen all too often at the Wests Tigers.

More often than not he is safe under the high ball, appears to be pretty fearless with his kick returns but rarely breaks the line and then quite often is man handled by the defense and forced back 10 or 15 metres.

Daine doesn't appear to possess blistering pace and the most puzzling thing is that after playing most of the season in 1st grade there is hardly any sign of an attacking combination developing which may very well be a coaching problem, but you would think he would be sniffing around the ball a lot more than he does.

As mentioned by Russell, the kid really needs to work on his defense and positioning, which once again he carries out fearlessly, but his inclusion this season had very little bearing on where we finished the year.

The bottom line is that at this stage of development Momo is a much more solid and effective player at centre than Daine is at fullback, and as already stated, Daine is rated much more highly than he currently should be by many on this forum.

As Russell has stated, we had the opportunity to have both for 2022 and possibly even for 2021 with some smart wheeling and dealing, which unfortunately seems to be something we are not the best at.

Yeah, I get the argument that we needed a full back, which we would of had in 2022 anyway, but we also needed decent, or at the very least, solid centres and players in just about every other position when it comes down to it and ***it still does my head in that this club rated Momo behind BJ, JTJ and Tommy.***

It does my head in how many people parrot this in the total absence of any evidence that it is true. The only evidence that exists (dropping first graders to reggies in 2020, dropping BJ & JTJ in 2021) suggests it cant be true, but it gets repeated over and over here like gospel.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-penrith-panthers-sign-paul-momirovski-swap-deal-daine-laurie-wests-tigers-ivan-cleary-michael-maguire/news-story/db7c91cbd711dffc5d65f909a37ac6a4

Penrith Panthers land Paul Momirovski in swap deal with Wests Tigers
The Tigers and Panthers have completed a player swap.

George Clarke from Fox Sports
February 7th, 2021 8:47 am
EXCLUSIVE – Penrith coach Ivan Cleary has bolstered his backline by adding Wests Tigers centre Paul Momirovski to his squad with young Panthers fullback Daine Laurie going the other way.

The centre, who was strongly linked to Canterbury, was part of the Harry Grant loan swap between the Tigers and the Storm.

He played six games and scored four tries for Melbourne in 2020 before a hand injury saw him lose his place in the side and miss out on a spot in the grand final.

The 24-year-old, who has 14 tries in 19 NRL games, had been training at five-eighth during the pre-season and requested two releases after being told by coach Michael Maguire he was behind Joey Leilua and James Roberts in the pecking order at Concord.

He will now go head to head with Brent Naden and Tyrone May for Penrith’s right centre spot and also provides handy goalkicking depth should Cleary’s son, Nathan, go down with injury.

Laurie, meanwhile, joins the Tigers a year early after he agreed he would leave Penrith for Concord in 2022.

The fullback or five-eighth has played just three NRL games, but is a highly-rated prospect and will now be at the club for the next three seasons.

The Tigers and Panthers meet for the first time in 2021 in Round 13 at Leichhardt Oval.

Because George Clarke said it?

Geez. You're impossible. People ask for what was said at the time and a easy google search found that. I'm not going to delve into the depths. It's some form of corroboration of the thinking he was told he was down the pecking order.

 

[Demps]

Speaking of momo does anybody remember the momo steering wheel they were great back in the day 😆

Still around.

 

[batboy]

https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2021/02/07/momirovski-joins-panthers-as-laurie-departs/

There's an article from the Panthers Website that says he's been signed for 2 years - My guess is next year he gets an upgrade or some such (For winning the comp maybe?) and they're sorting it - Who knows... All I know is the way it went down at the time.

Get as antsy as you like - Your whole argument seems based on your opinion, Or some weird reasoning... I gently input some "facts" into the conversation and you carry on...

The issue around here might be you? You had time to respond to me twice - But not time to google your argument (Wouldn't have had to go past the first page man, Don't worry - It's not as scary as it seems)

 

[Tiger5150]

https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2021/02/07/momirovski-joins-panthers-as-laurie-departs/

There's an article from the Panthers Website that says he's been signed for 2 years - My guess is next year he gets an upgrade or some such (For winning the comp maybe?) and they're sorting it - Who knows... All I know is the way it went down at the time.

Get as antsy as you like - Your whole argument seems based on your opinion, Or some weird reasoning... I gently input some "facts" into the conversation and you carry on...

***The issue around here might be you?*** You had time to respond to me twice - But not time to google your argument (Wouldn't have had to go past the first page man, Don't worry - It's not as scary as it seems)

Turns out I was wrong, as it happens. Still sick of this place (and yes I know the obvious answer to that).

Every thread here turns into a battle with a requirement to not only "gently input" facts but EVERY time (not singling you out) there has to be a dig such as "unless you are xxxxxx you are WRONG". Your dig is very mild compared to most here, but I am seriously sick of it. Turns out I was wrong as needaname pointed out without the faux passive aggression and as you also pointed out. Yes I was wrong.

This used to be a cool place to discuss the Tigers without the rubbish that is found at LU and FB but I think over the last 6 months it has gone to hell and as much as I appreciate that they put the time in and consider some of them friends, the Mods have to answer to that IMO.

Anyway no one gives a rats, I was wrong apparently and my hands are up.

"As you were".....

 

[Tiger5150]

@jirskyr That is not the point.
Fans on here were labelling him useless.
3 out of the past 4 premiership coaches disagree.

I dont recall anyone here labeling him useless. Fans here almost unanimously labelled him average. Good first grader which is exactly what he is. Many here (myself included) correctly pointed out that there was much higher potential upside with BJ & JTJ however unfortunately they never achieved that upside.

That was good of you to “correctly” point something out to the rest of us….except you weren’t correct were you?
Instead of keeping a strong defensive centre, we got an ex druggo with no speed and a head case with no ability…both of whom played bugger all footy for the club.
Anymore bright ideas?

Im 100% correct and it isnt even subjective. That ex druggo played 3 SoO games which is three more than Momo will and the head case with no ability was Dally M centre of the year which Momo will never be. At their best both of these players are light years better than Momo's best, no contest. This is the "upside". If you seriously need this explained to you, it might be time for a new alt.

Clearly neither of them played anywhere near their best and both didnt work. Momo would have been better than both of them at centre....but thats not the point.

There is no situation that has both Momo and Laurie in our squad. They are mutually exclusive. Our squad is stronger with Laurie in and Momo out than the other way around. That is all that matters and the club made the right choice.

Let me know next time you would like something else explained to you.

Lol you are deluded if you think you have made any valid points here. Both of those centres were broken and unwanted when we threw money at them. I know I have had to explain risk management to you before so I will not bother again.
There is “no situation” where we could have had both Momo and Laurie? No situation LOL…how would you know?

Actually there is 2022 we could have had both.

Would we have finished worse than 13th if Laurie was not with us in 2021 - don't think so.

Also on the plus side it would have given Laurie another twelve months to work on his defense - he needed it.

I am not putting Laurie down here, I think he could be a really good FB - but I am not looking through rose coloured glasses like many on here.

Agree completely that Daine Laurie definitely shows potential and I think he will develop into a very good player, but he is not at this stage the world beater that some on this forum think that he is. Once again it is a case of potential that he may or may not achieve, which is something we have seen all too often at the Wests Tigers.

More often than not he is safe under the high ball, appears to be pretty fearless with his kick returns but rarely breaks the line and then quite often is man handled by the defense and forced back 10 or 15 metres.

Daine doesn't appear to possess blistering pace and the most puzzling thing is that after playing most of the season in 1st grade there is hardly any sign of an attacking combination developing which may very well be a coaching problem, but you would think he would be sniffing around the ball a lot more than he does.

As mentioned by Russell, the kid really needs to work on his defense and positioning, which once again he carries out fearlessly, but his inclusion this season had very little bearing on where we finished the year.

The bottom line is that at this stage of development Momo is a much more solid and effective player at centre than Daine is at fullback, and as already stated, Daine is rated much more highly than he currently should be by many on this forum.

As Russell has stated, we had the opportunity to have both for 2022 and possibly even for 2021 with some smart wheeling and dealing, which unfortunately seems to be something we are not the best at.

Yeah, I get the argument that we needed a full back, which we would of had in 2022 anyway, but we also needed decent, or at the very least, solid centres and players in just about every other position when it comes down to it and ***it still does my head in that this club rated Momo behind BJ, JTJ and Tommy.***

It does my head in how many people parrot this in the total absence of any evidence that it is true. The only evidence that exists (dropping first graders to reggies in 2020, dropping BJ & JTJ in 2021) suggests it cant be true, but it gets repeated over and over here like gospel.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-penrith-panthers-sign-paul-momirovski-swap-deal-daine-laurie-wests-tigers-ivan-cleary-michael-maguire/news-story/db7c91cbd711dffc5d65f909a37ac6a4

Penrith Panthers land Paul Momirovski in swap deal with Wests Tigers
The Tigers and Panthers have completed a player swap.

George Clarke from Fox Sports
February 7th, 2021 8:47 am
EXCLUSIVE – Penrith coach Ivan Cleary has bolstered his backline by adding Wests Tigers centre Paul Momirovski to his squad with young Panthers fullback Daine Laurie going the other way.

The centre, who was strongly linked to Canterbury, was part of the Harry Grant loan swap between the Tigers and the Storm.

He played six games and scored four tries for Melbourne in 2020 before a hand injury saw him lose his place in the side and miss out on a spot in the grand final.

The 24-year-old, who has 14 tries in 19 NRL games, had been training at five-eighth during the pre-season and requested two releases after being told by coach Michael Maguire he was behind Joey Leilua and James Roberts in the pecking order at Concord.

He will now go head to head with Brent Naden and Tyrone May for Penrith’s right centre spot and also provides handy goalkicking depth should Cleary’s son, Nathan, go down with injury.

Laurie, meanwhile, joins the Tigers a year early after he agreed he would leave Penrith for Concord in 2022.

The fullback or five-eighth has played just three NRL games, but is a highly-rated prospect and will now be at the club for the next three seasons.

The Tigers and Panthers meet for the first time in 2021 in Round 13 at Leichhardt Oval.

Because George Clarke said it?

Geez. You're impossible. People ask for what was said at the time and a easy google search found that. I'm not going to delve into the depths. It's some form of corroboration of the thinking he was told he was down the pecking order.

No its not, its an opinion of some bloke. It is not corroboration. It is what George Clarke thinks.

 

[batboy]

https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2021/02/07/momirovski-joins-panthers-as-laurie-departs/

There's an article from the Panthers Website that says he's been signed for 2 years - My guess is next year he gets an upgrade or some such (For winning the comp maybe?) and they're sorting it - Who knows... All I know is the way it went down at the time.

Get as antsy as you like - Your whole argument seems based on your opinion, Or some weird reasoning... I gently input some "facts" into the conversation and you carry on...

***The issue around here might be you?*** You had time to respond to me twice - But not time to google your argument (Wouldn't have had to go past the first page man, Don't worry - It's not as scary as it seems)

Turns out I was wrong, as it happens. Still sick of this place (and yes I know the obvious answer to that).

Every thread here turns into a battle with a requirement to not only "gently input" facts but EVERY time (not singling you out) there has to be a dig such as "unless you are xxxxxx you are WRONG". Your dig is very mild compared to most here, but I am seriously sick of it. Turns out I was wrong as needaname pointed out without the faux passive aggression and as you also pointed out. Yes I was wrong.

This used to be a cool place to discuss the Tigers without the rubbish that is found at LU and FB but I think over the last 6 months it has gone to hell and as much as I appreciate that they put the time in and consider some of them friends, the Mods have to answer to that IMO.

Anyway no one gives a rats, I was wrong apparently and my hands are up.

"As you were".....

Either way, I was far less abrupt than you were...
Maybe soften your approach a bit
- Does less damage when you've totally missed the runway...

 

[Tiger5150]

https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2021/02/07/momirovski-joins-panthers-as-laurie-departs/

There's an article from the Panthers Website that says he's been signed for 2 years - My guess is next year he gets an upgrade or some such (For winning the comp maybe?) and they're sorting it - Who knows... All I know is the way it went down at the time.

Get as antsy as you like - Your whole argument seems based on your opinion, Or some weird reasoning... I gently input some "facts" into the conversation and you carry on...

***The issue around here might be you?*** You had time to respond to me twice - But not time to google your argument (Wouldn't have had to go past the first page man, Don't worry - It's not as scary as it seems)

Turns out I was wrong, as it happens. Still sick of this place (and yes I know the obvious answer to that).

Every thread here turns into a battle with a requirement to not only "gently input" facts but EVERY time (not singling you out) there has to be a dig such as "unless you are xxxxxx you are WRONG". Your dig is very mild compared to most here, but I am seriously sick of it. Turns out I was wrong as needaname pointed out without the faux passive aggression and as you also pointed out. Yes I was wrong.

This used to be a cool place to discuss the Tigers without the rubbish that is found at LU and FB but I think over the last 6 months it has gone to hell and as much as I appreciate that they put the time in and consider some of them friends, the Mods have to answer to that IMO.

Anyway no one gives a rats, I was wrong apparently and my hands are up.

"As you were".....

Either way, I was far less abrupt than you were...
Maybe soften your approach a bit
- Does less damage when you've totally missed the runway...

Thank you oh holder of shoulds and should nots

 

[hobbo1]

Speaking of momo does anybody remember the momo steering wheel they were great back in the day ?

Still around.

Momo…original
Momi…fake

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Super interesting thread.
:hankey:

Punt him.


Wait, what - he's already gone? Um, re-sign him then.

Then punt him.

 

[hobbo1]

Super interesting thread.
:hankey:

Punt him.


Wait, what - he's already gone? Um, re-sign him then.

Then punt him.

Yeah such a boring thread for a nothing player … total yawn fest !

 

[Demps]

Super interesting thread.
:hankey:

Punt him.


Wait, what - he's already gone? Um, re-sign him then.

Then punt him.

Yeah such a boring thread for a nothing player … total yawn fest !

He's no MCK or Cozza, that's for sure !!
???

 

[BAGNF05]

Super interesting thread.
:hankey:

Punt him.


Wait, what - he's already gone? Um, re-sign him then.

Then punt him.

No wait till he plays for NSW.. then wait 4 years.. then sign him. It’s the Pascoe strategy

 

[twentyforty]

I think we should have a red hot go at signing Momirovski.