Penalty Try?

[hobbo1]

Thanks Graham..

doesn't surprise my why fans are disillusioned with the game

The old ‘ benefit of the doubt ‘ was a better system than the current one lol

 

[voice_of_reason]

@voice_of_reason Once they contact a defender, a defender has to make an effort to move past them or make a decision based on an offside player then they have effected play!

Sorry, I disagree, there has to be discretion.
Take this example. I kick the ball through and a teammate batts it back to me. I'm a metre from the try line and he's now in front of me. I throw a 20m cutout to the winger who falls over the line from a metre out. While I'm throwing the pass, the fullback contacts the guy in front of me while heading towards the winger 20m away.
The fullback has zero chance of getting near the winger, but technically he has made contact with the attacker who is in front of me and obstructed him.
Should that be called back?
We should be encouraging referees to make decisions based on a knowledge of the game, not a technicality which was never intended to create the decisions we often see.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Thanks Graham..

doesn't surprise my why fans are disillusioned with the game

The old ‘ benefit of the doubt ‘ was a better system than the current one lol

And going back for a Ref's Call, when they stated "I have an opinion".

 

[hobbo1]

Thanks Graham..

doesn't surprise my why fans are disillusioned with the game

The old ‘ benefit of the doubt ‘ was a better system than the current one lol

And going back for a Ref's Call, when they stated "I have an opinion".

In 10 years they’ll just use some sort of drone to ref the game lol

 

[cochise]

@hobbo1 no it wasn't

 

[cochise]

@mike Of course they are offside, being in front of a player in possession is an offside position in Rugby League. For example what would be the decision if the player standing in front of the player with the ball was thrown the ball?

 

[hobbo1]

@hobbo1 no it wasn't

Only in your argumentative opinion !

 

[cochise]

@hobbo1 I'm not being argumentative, I do not agree that the benefit of the doubt system was better, it was widely panned by media and fans alike!

 

[hobbo1]

@hobbo1 I'm not being argumentative, I do not agree that the benefit of the doubt system was better, it was widely panned by media and fans alike!

The media ...lmao

Not this fan ..

The bunker is shit ...

We’ll continue this tomorrow....

Later ..

 

[cochise]

@hobbo1 I'm not a fan of the bunker either, that is why I would move to a captains challenge system as that takes away some of its influence!

 

[mike]

@mike Of course they are offside, being in front of a player in possession is an offside position in Rugby League. For example what would be the decision if the player standing in front of the player with the ball was thrown the ball?

No it isn’t, only in specific circumstances. There are always players in front of the player with the ball and they are only called offside if they interact with the ball or there is a specific rule. ie from a kick the player in front of the kicker must remain 10 metres away from the receiver. They are only “offside” if they go within 10 meters of the receiver. I see no specific rule where a decoy runner who ends up in front of the person with the ball is “offside”. I am happy to be proven wrong but I would like to know the rule it relates to so I can update my knowledge of the game.

 

[Tigers_Tale]

Its a ridiculous argument that their coach Paul Green comes up with , that he stripped the ball, because on the end of that, Esan Masters scores the try anyway. Only difference is the conversion is 5 metres from the centre. The bunker got it right it was a high shot and otherwise Chee Kam scores. The better team on the night won and their coach knows that.

 

[hobbo1]

@hobbo1 I'm not a fan of the bunker either, that is why I would move to a captains challenge system as that takes away some of its influence!

I agree on that ^^^

On your previous post you used the term “basis”.

When the ref goes up to the bunker with a try or no- try that is “bias”.
If they don’t have a clue they shouldn’t have an opinion !

Back with the “benefit of the doubt”
the ref would just motion that he didn’t have a clue and it would go upstairs .

And tell me what other sport on the planet has so many interpretations and grey areas in the rulings as rugby League ?
....the bunker has made the game less enjoyable big time ..

 

[cochise]

@mike Yes he is
Section 14.1
When offside 1. A player is offside except when he is in his own ingoal
if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by
one of his own team behind him.

Section 14.2
Out of Play 2. An offside player shall not take any part in the game
or attempt in any way to influence the course of the
game.

 

[mike]

@mike Yes he is
Section 14.1
When offside 1. A player is offside except when he is in his own ingoal
if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by
one of his own team behind him.

Section 14.2
Out of Play 2. An offside player shall not take any part in the game
or attempt in any way to influence the course of the
game.

Thank you I’ll check them out. I get 14.1. 14.2 needs some further investigation because that’s not how the game is currently being officiated.

 

[cochise]

@hobbo1 There were just as many wrong decisions with the benefit of the doubt system and no one could agree on who should get the benefit of the doubt. The refs were lazy and used the video ref as a crutch. With the ref making a call the ref are at least attempting to get in a position to make the call themselves. I believe the ref making a call is a step towards hopefully getting to a captains challenge system!

 

[cochise]

@mike Yes he is
Section 14.1
When offside 1. A player is offside except when he is in his own ingoal
if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by
one of his own team behind him.

Section 14.2
Out of Play 2. An offside player shall not take any part in the game
or attempt in any way to influence the course of the
game.


Thank you I’ll check them out. I get 14.1. 14.2 needs some further investigation because that’s not how the game is currently being officiated.

You can download the current rule book here
[link text](https://playnrl.com/media/3114/arl-rules-book-2019.pdf)

 

[mike]

@mike Yes he is
Section 14.1
When offside 1. A player is offside except when he is in his own ingoal
if the ball touches, is touched, held or kicked, by
one of his own team behind him.

Section 14.2
Out of Play 2. An offside player shall not take any part in the game
or attempt in any way to influence the course of the
game.


Thank you I’ll check them out. I get 14.1. 14.2 needs some further investigation because that’s not how the game is currently being officiated.

You can download the current rule book here
[link text](https://playnrl.com/media/3114/arl-rules-book-2019.pdf)

Even better. Again thanks

 

[cochise]

@mike It is officiated this way, a player isn't penalised until they actively influence the game, decoy runners that impact a defensive line after moving to an offside position are actively influencing play and should be penalised accordingly in my opinion.

 

[Jessica]

@cochise interesting ... so what about that stupid Souths try to Murray at the end of game that was an on-field NO try?

Accepting your argument that you’d love a captains challenge as im sure many nrl players and fans alike will agree to. The point being that even then it’s one call a game they might get correct and going off of the current strike rate in high-tech 2019, it’s not a solution - hence the powers that be don’t really consider it - and I reckon you need the bunker to be cranking down on all the crap being missed right now whilst a perfectly good try in Thompson’s on the weekend was disallowed . What if he went up with an opinion of try?? Keep in mind the time of game that happened and was totally against the run of play vs a rampant cows pack... did it look like his bias did us any favours with that end result ? And, yes, I mean surrendering a 20 point lead and potentially a bunch of good F/A+ that could’ve been collected.... the first THREE games last weekend by my count were all either 8-0, 16-0 and 20-0 where somehow every SINGLE one of these sides (Sharks, Titans, Cowboys) manages to claw things back by about halfway through the second stanza and all of a sudden we have a game on our hands ?

Mate if you believe the current system works to any extent then that’s cool but 😅 good luck trying to support us in the finals anytime soon. BLAME THE REFS