Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Cultured_Bogan]

Had to chuckle watching Colin Barnett on Lateline last night. Justifying his state's economy losing its AAA credit rating due to his government borrowing big and saving nothing. The hubris he had shown at the peak of the mining boom, his "Australia should learn from WA" attitude, has quickly punctured. His justification was the tough global economic times we live in, volatile commodity prices, the high Austrlain dollar. All excuses that were unacceptable for a Labor Federal Government but seemingly are fine for a Liberal Government. Give me a spell.

He will lead his state through the largest mining boom in our history and come out the other side with nothing but a mountain of debt and $11 pints of VB. The short sightedness of his government has been astounding.

I wonder if the secessionist elements are still bleating?

 

[Glen_McWilliams]

Last time I was there was Feb/march 2012 for the interdominion. Barnett had brought secession up in the press in his regular shitstirring fashion. I mentioned to a few people that history showed that the commonwealth had carried wa for about 90 of the 110 years since federation. I got called a name starting with c a lot and told that wa didn't need the rest of Australia. When I suggested secession was a good idea and Australia should offer Christmas Island as a parting gift it all went quiet.

 

[Winnipeg]

It's not his fault there's only one woman of calibre in his cabinet. It's someone else's fault

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/mcgowan-blamed-lack-women-cabinet

Tell me again about the adults being in charge

I couldn't care less about how many women he has/hasn't got on the bench. As long as they are the most qualified person for that position that is the main concern. I cannot stand this notion of token positions so as not be be seen as sexist/racist etc.

I have no faith in whomever the LNP appoint irrespective of their gender.

I'm more worried about their lack of science minister than their lack of women, I think the lack of women is more of a symptom of the Liberal party overall rather than Abbott as an individual.

But what really gets me is that they've broken their election promise of 'no lame excuses'. Blaming the electorate that there wasn't an extra woman in cabinet? Blaming the voters of Indi for the fact that there is no science minister? Making veiled threats that the electorate of Indi will now be ignored and won't receive any funding?

Meanwhile there have been eight boat arrivals since Abbott came to power promising to 'stop the boats'.

 

[happy_tiger]

It's not his fault there's only one woman of calibre in his cabinet. It's someone else's fault

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/mcgowan-blamed-lack-women-cabinet

Tell me again about the adults being in charge

I couldn't care less about how many women he has/hasn't got on the bench. As long as they are the most qualified person for that position that is the main concern. I cannot stand this notion of token positions so as not be be seen as sexist/racist etc.

I have no faith in whomever the LNP appoint irrespective of their gender.

I'm more worried about their lack of science minister than their lack of women, I think the lack of women is more of a symptom of the Liberal party overall rather than Abbott as an individual.

But what really gets me is that they've broken their election promise of 'no lame excuses'. Blaming the electorate that there wasn't an extra woman in cabinet? Blaming the voters of Indi for the fact that there is no science minister? Making veiled threats that the electorate of Indi will now be ignored and won't receive any funding?

Meanwhile there have been eight boat arrivals since Abbott came to power promising to 'stop the boats'.

Must admit Abbott certainly got those comments wrong .

But the independants issue , the rest do it ,they just don't say they are going to cut funding

In my electorate we have had an independent for 16 years in Liz Cunningham and when we were a hung parliament in 1996/97 Gladstone got the world

Now when we desperately need infrastructure as the town is in a continual boom we can't get it

I know you guys will probably laugh with the traffic you endure in Sydney , but the 5 km trip from my work to home takes 30 minutes in peak traffic (In a town of less than 45 000 people )

 

[Winnipeg]

I now that's the reality that some voters will end up being ignored but once again Abbott promised to govern for 'all Australians' and not just his supporters (not the first new PM to promise this).

Here's another broken promise, to spend his first week as PM in Arnhem Land

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3823829.htm

 

[hammertime]

I now that's the reality that some voters will end up being ignored but once again Abbott promised to govern for 'all Australians' and not just his supporters (not the first new PM to promise this).

Here's another broken promise, to spend his first week as PM in Arnhem Land

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3823829.htm

Oh man… the country is doomed! Abbott was doing work and wasn't in Arnhem land last week!

The bloke has already crafted great policy for the indigenous population during his time as DEWR and Health minister.

Clutching at straws...

 

[wtigers]

Was that 'great policy' before, or after he said "There may not be a great job for them but whatever there is, they just have to do it, and if it’s picking up rubbish around the community, it just has to be done" about the Indigenous people of Australia?
The man has a sketchy relationship with treating minorities with respect, and just because he once made some good policies concerning them, doesn't mean that this isn't a betrayal of trust between him and Indigenous Australians.
Besides which, how much do you think he would've attacked Gillard for going against her word with something like that?

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[Yossarian]

I now that's the reality that some voters will end up being ignored but once again Abbott promised to govern for 'all Australians' and not just his supporters (not the first new PM to promise this).

Here's another broken promise, to spend his first week as PM in Arnhem Land

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3823829.htm

Oh man… the country is doomed! Abbott was doing work and wasn't in Arnhem land last week!

The bloke has already crafted great policy for the indigenous population during his time as DEWR and Health minister.

Clutching at straws...

The point is why make a promise you've got no intention of keeping? I agree him going would be symbolic rather than productive but he made a massive deal about trust and broken promises of the previous government. Keep in mind the Coalition won both NT seats based on his promises to the Indigenous community.

Where is the bar set? What is Tony's core/non-core divide? What promises can we expect to be kept and what was just election talk?

And what "great policy" are we talking about?

 

[Winnipeg]

I now that's the reality that some voters will end up being ignored but once again Abbott promised to govern for 'all Australians' and not just his supporters (not the first new PM to promise this).

Here's another broken promise, to spend his first week as PM in Arnhem Land

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3823829.htm

Oh man… the country is doomed! Abbott was doing work and wasn't in Arnhem land last week!

The bloke has already crafted great policy for the indigenous population during his time as DEWR and Health minister.

Clutching at straws...

Don't you think someone who campaigned so hard on the 'dishonesty' and 'broken promises' of the previous government…. should keep their promises?

Or wait at least a few weeks before they start breaking them?

Or do you think one side of politics should operate under different rules to the other side?

 

[Flippedy]

Was that 'great policy' before, or after he said "There may not be a great job for them but whatever there is, they just have to do it, and if it’s picking up rubbish around the community, it just has to be done" about the Indigenous people of Australia?
The man has a sketchy relationship with treating minorities with respect, and just because he once made some good policies concerning them, doesn't mean that this isn't a betrayal of trust between him and Indigenous Australians.
**Besides which, how much do you think he would've attacked Gillard for going against her word with something like that?**
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Not just Abbott, but the press also. Yet they are unusually quiet about this Govt's broken promises thus far. No LIAR tag for Tony being bandied about :unamused:

 

[Winnipeg]

Not just Abbott, but the press also. Yet they are unusually quiet about this Govt's broken promises thus far. No LIAR tag for Tony being bandied about :unamused:

This is a pretty interesting article about how one particular editor reacted

I don't think it's much of a secret that the Tele supports one particular side, but this just shows the decline in journalism in this country

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-broken-indigenous-promise-and-news-corp-breaking-bad/

 

[Winnipeg]

Oh man… the country is doomed! Abbott was doing work and wasn't in Arnhem land last week!

here's the direct quote from our Prime Minister, he answers your question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_xJny0vuoo

 

[Flippedy]

Not just Abbott, but the press also. Yet they are unusually quiet about this Govt's broken promises thus far. No LIAR tag for Tony being bandied about :unamused:

This is a pretty interesting article about how one particular editor reacted

I don't think it's much of a secret that the Tele supports one particular side, but this just shows the decline in journalism in this country

http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/tony-abbotts-broken-indigenous-promise-and-news-corp-breaking-bad/

Yep old Rupert got his PM alright and from now he can do no wrong.

 

[hammertime]

I now that's the reality that some voters will end up being ignored but once again Abbott promised to govern for 'all Australians' and not just his supporters (not the first new PM to promise this).

Here's another broken promise, to spend his first week as PM in Arnhem Land

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3823829.htm

Oh man… the country is doomed! Abbott was doing work and wasn't in Arnhem land last week!

The bloke has already crafted great policy for the indigenous population during his time as DEWR and Health minister.

Clutching at straws...

The point is why make a promise you've got no intention of keeping? I agree him going would be symbolic rather than productive but he made a massive deal about trust and broken promises of the previous government. Keep in mind the Coalition won both NT seats based on his promises to the Indigenous community.

Where is the bar set? What is Tony's core/non-core divide? What promises can we expect to be kept and what was just election talk?

And what "great policy" are we talking about?

Come on guys, seriously a non-issue.

 

[wtigers]

Bet it's not a non issue to indigenous Australians…

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[hammertime]

Bet it's not a non issue to indigenous Australians…

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I think you under estimate the intelligence of our indigenous population.
They will care about his policy to help them, not on token visits.
Policy which he already has a proven track record for as Health and DEWR minister.

 

[wtigers]

Bet it's not a non issue to indigenous Australians…

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I think you under estimate the intelligence of our indigenous population.
They will care about his policy to help them, not on token visits.
Policy which he already has a proven track record for as Health and DEWR minister.

What policy? You keep mentioning it…

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[wtigers]

Additionally, I think you under estimate peoples emotional capacity. An underrepresented ground finally gets promised that the leader of their country will spend time and effort attempting to understand them and fight for their equality and then doesn't. That's gotta hurt. It's not all about intelligence. It's about emotions too, and it's a blatant slap in the face to the indigenous community…

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[Yossarian]

I now that's the reality that some voters will end up being ignored but once again Abbott promised to govern for 'all Australians' and not just his supporters (not the first new PM to promise this).

Here's another broken promise, to spend his first week as PM in Arnhem Land

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2013/s3823829.htm

Oh man… the country is doomed! Abbott was doing work and wasn't in Arnhem land last week!

The bloke has already crafted great policy for the indigenous population during his time as DEWR and Health minister.

Clutching at straws...

The point is why make a promise you've got no intention of keeping? I agree him going would be symbolic rather than productive but he made a massive deal about trust and broken promises of the previous government. Keep in mind the Coalition won both NT seats based on his promises to the Indigenous community.

Where is the bar set? What is Tony's core/non-core divide? What promises can we expect to be kept and what was just election talk?

And what "great policy" are we talking about?

Come on guys, seriously a non-issue.

Well I stand-by what I said earlier. The point is not whether him being there makes a difference. The point is he made a promise he clearly had no intention of keeping and probably to shore up the Indigenous vote in the NT.

Would him being there make a difference? Of course not. But it speaks volumes about the man and his willingness to flatout lie to people to get a result.

 

[Yossarian]

Bet it's not a non issue to indigenous Australians…

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I think you under estimate the intelligence of our indigenous population.
They will care about his policy to help them, not on token visits.
Policy which he already has a proven track record for as Health and DEWR minister.

What policy? You keep mentioning it…

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Yeah I was thinking the same thing. What exactly are these fantastic policies and proven track record?