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[system]

You seem to have 'lie just to stay in government' mixed up with 'negotiate in order to form a minority government'

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Yep its called compromise. You cant always do what you intended when you rely on third parties. Abbott doesnt have the excuse. He is just a crook. I will be voting Labor for the first time in my life at the next election. This mob is taking the piss.

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[Kul]


*head-desk*

 

[Anthism]


*head-desk*

"This is a government that blames anyone but itself for its problems"
Hold on, hasn't his whole cabinet blamed the previous government for everything including on the world stage in Davos.
I'm dreading what's to come in the next two odd years cos it's already starting to look pretty dire but boy am I looking forward to their excuses then when Australia's global standing is overall rubbished and we are ACTUALLY in financial trouble.

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[hammertime]

I admit, I do have a liberal slant. But I seriously don't know what you guys are talking about with this 'crook' rubbish. Seems like there is far more positivity in this govt than previously and it's not like he defended a crook like the prior PM. Abbott could have easily blamed the spying on indonesia on Labor, but he didn't.

In regards to the projections falling short of the jobs target, they are projections. Any measures put in place from now on will adjust that…?? right??

Plus, it could be argued with bad costings and rollouts, like the NBN, costing far more than labor factored, that Abbott will have to pull the purse strings tighter effecting the jobs numbers.

For the things you can attack abbott over, there are plenty. At least try to pick out things with substance. That's always been Labor's problem. Prefer to create issues out of a sound byte than tackle anything important.

For you slow labor guys, I'll give you a head start with some tips on actual things to debate... ABCC, Broadband, International Relations, Cut backs, Manufacturing sector support... now, go.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Should come clean, must be transparent, the people have a right to know, and more blah blah blah, over and over for years when in opposition.

The silence is now deafening, and even worse when our state representatives are being stone-walled when asking questions in the senate. Regardless of ones political preference, there is no excuse for this behaviour.

 

[Yossarian]

I admit, I do have a liberal slant. But I seriously don't know what you guys are talking about with this 'crook' rubbish. Seems like there is far more positivity in this govt than previously and it's not like he defended a crook like the prior PM.

Apart from Mary Jo Fisher… And the years that Peter Slipper was a member of his party and he did nothing.

Abbott could have easily blamed the spying on indonesia on Labor, but he didn't.

Well why would he? It's not like this kind of policy changes under different governments. He'd look foolish if he tried to pin it on the ALP.

In regards to the projections falling short of the jobs target, they are projections. Any measures put in place from now on will adjust that…?? right??

Just like the budget surplus promise? They were dishonest promises he knew he couldn't deliver on.

Plus, it could be argued with bad costings and rollouts, like the NBN, costing far more than labor factored, that Abbott will have to pull the purse strings tighter effecting the jobs numbers.

He got the PEFO. He's got no gripes in not knowing the truthful state of the economy. Truth is he wouldn't put his rubbery figures up to public scrutiny until the electronic advertising stopped.

For the things you can attack abbott over, there are plenty. At least try to pick out things with substance. That's always been Labor's problem. Prefer to create issues out of a sound byte than tackle anything important.

Please. Abbott is the king of the soundbite. He spent 6 years spouting slogans. Anything he's tackled thus far has turned to crap.

For you slow labor guys, I'll give you a head start with some tips on actual things to debate… ABCC, Broadband, International Relations, Cut backs, Manufacturing sector support... now, go.

Just like Phony himself you think it's up to you to decide what others are allowed to talk about!!

Okay… well the ABCC is a politically-driven waste of money. The police are there for this sort of thing.

His broadband policy continues to be slammed by anyone with an ounce of credibility in the IT industry. It's old technology that will be a waste of money. He'd be better placed doing nothing.

Cutbacks? Well again in the dishonesty of his pre election promises and post election actions. He promised the world and gave us a globe...

The manufacturing sector is a shambles. That's not his fault but his handling of the situation hardly inspires confidence. For a man who spent 6 years on his "The sky is falling" act he's not doing much now.

 

[stryker]

Give them a chance for gods sake! It'll take time to correct the cluster left by Rudd and Gillard.

 

[hammertime]

Just like Phony himself you think it's up to you to decide what others are allowed to talk about

Please yoss…. All I'm saying is random slanderous comments do nothing. I honesty thought you would agree with that.

 

[Yossarian]

Just like Phony himself you think it's up to you to decide what others are allowed to talk about

Please yoss…. All I'm saying is random slanderous comments do nothing. I honesty thought you would agree with that.

Which random slanderous comments are we talking about? There's been a stack of them!

 

[magpiecol]

You whingers do realize that you actually lost the election by a record margin. So most of Australia are dumb. Is that what you are saying? If so, I would suggest that you go tell it to the ABC.

Grow up. The Labour party took us to hell in a basket. Go hibernate for a couple of years, so the adults can put the house in order.

 

[Tim Sheens]

You whingers do realize that you actually lost the election by a record margin. So most of Australia are dumb. Is that what you are saying? If so, I would suggest that you go tell it to the ABC.

Grow up. The Labour party took us to hell in a basket. Go hibernate for a couple of years, so the adults can put the house in order.

More slogans and rhetoric, without facts.

Maybe not the vast majority, but a lot of Australians are dumb. They seem to believe that the coalition party have made the big structural changes and policy reforms of this great country. History shows that the opposite is the truth, and I invite all to point out where I am wrong.

I will agree though that the former government did make a glaring error, they should never have allowed the last round of Howard and Costello's tax cut policy to proceed. Notwithstanding that the GFC hit during the first sitting of parliament after Rudd was elected, it should have been cancelled as the tipping point in revenue had already been reached, without the final cut.

After virtually neglecting infrastructure for more than a decade, they created a structural taxation revenue deficit whilst selling a good chunk of our gold reserves and our largest asset in Telstra (read surplus). Again, please feel free to point out where I am wrong, but with substance instead of slogans.

 

[southerntiger]

Abbott is dishonest. Pure and simple. Unlike Gillard, he doesn't even have any shame for his lying. Unlike Gillard, he is more interested in pushing an extreme right wing agenda than governing for all of us. Been a while since I voted Labor but next election it's going to be an easy decision.

I am angry. I foolishly believed Abbott would be a pragmatic PM who would govern for the middle. I assumed I wouldn't agree with everything he did but thats democracy. I was wrong. He is only interested in ideology and hate.

 

[Saturnalia]

So most of Australia are dumb. Is that what you are saying?

Well Tony is PM . I don't think I need any further evidence for that.

I don't hold much stock in what majorities think because most of the time they don't.

 

[happy_tiger]

So most of Australia are dumb. Is that what you are saying?

Well Tony is PM . I don't think I need any further evidence for that.

I don't hold much stock in what majorities think because most of the time they don't.

Minorities are just as bad Sataris

And we again have seen how Labor and the Trade Unions members think just lately with their bikie thugs and stand over tactics

Honestly both parties at the moment are crap , its just Labor is worse

How could of anyone voted for Labor after what happened in their last term in power

And if the Coalition can't do the job we will have to vote Christine Milne or Clive Palmer as our next PM :roll

 

[stryker]

Good to see the ABC cop their just deserts for their disgraceful attack on our Navy last week. Their charter is to provide a fair and balanced reporting of facts yet went after a story in the same vien that a garbage show like today tonight would. Ultimately their claims proved to be false. Was an apology delivered? No.
Abbot claimed that attacking our defence forces without evidence was un-patriotic and even though this sounded silly, the intentions behind his statement are correct.
I enjoyed seeing both media watch and the panel of Q and A last night condemning the reporting and doing so as employees of the broadcaster. Our defence forces deserve better than the public news channel taking the side of people who are trying to sneak into the country and have an axe to grind over our Navy who said all along that the claims were BS.
This was shameful but unfortunately its the way the ABC operates lately.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Whilst Styker and I are usually poles apart on this thread, I mostly agree with the above ABC post.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

So most of Australia are dumb. Is that what you are saying?

Well Tony is PM . I don't think I need any further evidence for that.

I don't hold much stock in what majorities think because most of the time they don't.

Minorities are just as bad Sataris

And we again have seen how Labor and the Trade Unions members think just lately with their bikie thugs and stand over tactics

Honestly both parties at the moment are crap , its just Labor is worse

How could of anyone voted for Labor after what happened in their last term in power

And if the Coalition can't do the job we will have to vote Christine Milne or Clive Palmer as our next PM :roll

The Greens are probably finished next time around unless they can form some strategic policies on there own…

More interesting though is the PUP and how they approach the next rounds of State Elections prior to the next Federal Election... I feel no one with half a brain will vote Labor at the next election, and PUP might get the votes away from the LNP on protest.

Could be some interesting times ahead for Labor also!

 

[Tim Sheens]

I feel no one with half a brain will vote Labor at the next election

Totally agree, those with only half a brain will most likely vote conservative.

 

[LCA]

Hmmm…..Stryker. I think we would only ever agree on one thing.....the footy team we support. For Abbott and those who support him to cry foul about media bias is the most clear indicator that the man and his supporters are delusional. How the hell do you think he got to where he is now? Through clearly biased, prejudiced, deceitful and dishonest reporting and commentary by mainstream media and the vested interests of those who run it and are employed there. And, what an outstanding bunch of people they are! Those with no brains, no compassion , no clear understanding of contemporary Australia would vote for Abbott again, if given a chance. And, I sincerely hope and expect that chance will sooner than later.

 

[Blackpearl]

Hmmm…..Stryker. I think we would only ever agree on one thing.....the footy team we support. For Abbott and those who support him to cry foul about media bias is the most clear indicator that the man and his supporters are delusional. How the hell do you think he got to where he is now? Through clearly biased, prejudiced, deceitful and dishonest reporting and commentary by mainstream media and the vested interests of those who run it and are employed there. And, what an outstanding bunch of people they are! Those with no brains, no compassion , no clear understanding of contemporary Australia would vote for Abbott again, if given a chance. And, I sincerely hope and expect that chance will sooner than later.

x 2 … does anyone really know what mr rabbits vision is for australia ? apart from being a bumbling foreign policy embarrasment and backflips on education what has he really achieved ... diddly squat.