Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[happy_tiger]

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The LNP pride themselves on not replacing serving PM's, but I can't see how his position is tenable. Turnbull is far more universally liked by the electorate. Seems the only people that cannot stand him are those from the far right in his own party.

The only problem I have with Turnbull is that as communications minister he has supported this piss poor NBN alternative. Understood that he was CEO of Ozemail and probably wasn't as technically involved in the business, but having spent a decade in the industry and directing Ozemail through it's best days and seeing the reliance on communications grow exponentially would suggest he has some understanding of how important proper communications infrastructure is which leads me to believe he is just towing the party line or he is terribly misguided in a policy he should qualified enough to understand the importance of.

If the LNP carry Abbott to the next election, they're deader than the dodo. He'll gaffe his way over the next 18 months and make them completely unelectable.

Supposedly Turnbull is prepared to flip on his ETS stance

That will possibly put him back in favour with the powerful right of the LNP

What's the point then? If it's just more of the same with a different face?

Because Turnbull has pull with voters Yoss , they were running a poll and did comparisons with Bishop and Shorten and Turnbull and Shorten and it went from 45%-55% to Shorten to 60% - 40% Turnbull

If Turnbull is the PM at the next election he will walk it in

Funny how me and everyone I've ever known have never, ever been included in any one of these mythical polls the media always produce at these times to spread their agenda. I take them with a grain of salt.

It was on the ninemsn page from memory probably two days ago , attached to an article

Vote all you like Flip :laughing:

 

[Yossarian]

The LNP pride themselves on not replacing serving PM's, but I can't see how his position is tenable. Turnbull is far more universally liked by the electorate. Seems the only people that cannot stand him are those from the far right in his own party.

The only problem I have with Turnbull is that as communications minister he has supported this piss poor NBN alternative. Understood that he was CEO of Ozemail and probably wasn't as technically involved in the business, but having spent a decade in the industry and directing Ozemail through it's best days and seeing the reliance on communications grow exponentially would suggest he has some understanding of how important proper communications infrastructure is which leads me to believe he is just towing the party line or he is terribly misguided in a policy he should qualified enough to understand the importance of.

If the LNP carry Abbott to the next election, they're deader than the dodo. He'll gaffe his way over the next 18 months and make them completely unelectable.

Supposedly Turnbull is prepared to flip on his ETS stance

That will possibly put him back in favour with the powerful right of the LNP

What's the point then? If it's just more of the same with a different face?

Because Turnbull has pull with voters Yoss , they were running a poll and did comparisons with Bishop and Shorten and Turnbull and Shorten and it went from 45%-55% to Shorten to 60% - 40% Turnbull

If Turnbull is the PM at the next election he will walk it in

He's popular because the public think he's different from Abbott. If he's going to run dead on climate change and other things he used to sprung in his previous life as Opposition leader then the lustre is going to fade pretty fast.

 

[happy_tiger]

Yoss if he gets enough popularity he can make changes , especially if the voting public supports it

 

[Flippedy]

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The only problem I have with Turnbull is that as communications minister he has supported this piss poor NBN alternative. Understood that he was CEO of Ozemail and probably wasn't as technically involved in the business, but having spent a decade in the industry and directing Ozemail through it's best days and seeing the reliance on communications grow exponentially would suggest he has some understanding of how important proper communications infrastructure is which leads me to believe he is just towing the party line or he is terribly misguided in a policy he should qualified enough to understand the importance of.

If the LNP carry Abbott to the next election, they're deader than the dodo. He'll gaffe his way over the next 18 months and make them completely unelectable.

Supposedly Turnbull is prepared to flip on his ETS stance

That will possibly put him back in favour with the powerful right of the LNP

What's the point then? If it's just more of the same with a different face?

Because Turnbull has pull with voters Yoss , they were running a poll and did comparisons with Bishop and Shorten and Turnbull and Shorten and it went from 45%-55% to Shorten to 60% - 40% Turnbull

If Turnbull is the PM at the next election he will walk it in

Funny how me and everyone I've ever known have never, ever been included in any one of these mythical polls the media always produce at these times to spread their agenda. I take them with a grain of salt.

It was on the ninemsn page from memory probably two days ago , attached to an article

Vote all you like Flip :laughing:

I still take them with a grain of salt, Hap, they're easily fudged.

 

[happy_tiger]

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The only problem I have with Turnbull is that as communications minister he has supported this piss poor NBN alternative. Understood that he was CEO of Ozemail and probably wasn't as technically involved in the business, but having spent a decade in the industry and directing Ozemail through it's best days and seeing the reliance on communications grow exponentially would suggest he has some understanding of how important proper communications infrastructure is which leads me to believe he is just towing the party line or he is terribly misguided in a policy he should qualified enough to understand the importance of.

If the LNP carry Abbott to the next election, they're deader than the dodo. He'll gaffe his way over the next 18 months and make them completely unelectable.

Supposedly Turnbull is prepared to flip on his ETS stance

That will possibly put him back in favour with the powerful right of the LNP

What's the point then? If it's just more of the same with a different face?

Because Turnbull has pull with voters Yoss , they were running a poll and did comparisons with Bishop and Shorten and Turnbull and Shorten and it went from 45%-55% to Shorten to 60% - 40% Turnbull

If Turnbull is the PM at the next election he will walk it in

Funny how me and everyone I've ever known have never, ever been included in any one of these mythical polls the media always produce at these times to spread their agenda. I take them with a grain of salt.

It was on the ninemsn page from memory probably two days ago , attached to an article

Vote all you like Flip :laughing:

I still take them with a grain of salt, Hap, they're easily fudged.

Polls fudged :rant

You blasphemer :crazy

 

[Flippedy]

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If the LNP carry Abbott to the next election, they're deader than the dodo. He'll gaffe his way over the next 18 months and make them completely unelectable.

Supposedly Turnbull is prepared to flip on his ETS stance

That will possibly put him back in favour with the powerful right of the LNP

What's the point then? If it's just more of the same with a different face?

Because Turnbull has pull with voters Yoss , they were running a poll and did comparisons with Bishop and Shorten and Turnbull and Shorten and it went from 45%-55% to Shorten to 60% - 40% Turnbull

If Turnbull is the PM at the next election he will walk it in

Funny how me and everyone I've ever known have never, ever been included in any one of these mythical polls the media always produce at these times to spread their agenda. I take them with a grain of salt.

It was on the ninemsn page from memory probably two days ago , attached to an article

Vote all you like Flip :laughing:

I still take them with a grain of salt, Hap, they're easily fudged.

Polls fudged :rant

You blasphemer :crazy

Come on Happy, give it up, you know I'm right :laughing:

 

[guyofthetiger]

The question for non LNP die-hards must be whether Turnbull has the courage of his convictions.

Standing by Abbott's bumbling daily cycle of moronic buffoonery has left Turnbull looking rather wishy washy ethically.

Sure it's politics. But there's a desperate need to move beyond politics when it comes to climate change.

As we resign ourselves now to the impending likelihood of a 3 degree rise in temperature, it's surely time we actually genuinely thought about the interests of our children in terms of preventing a 4+ degree rise.

Anyone who doesn't know the implications of a 3+ degree rise and therefore the implications of the climate policies of who they vote for, needs to do some rapid getting up to speed on the dire future facing our children and grandchildren.

Nothing makes my blood boil more than both parties doing nothing yet saying they represent the interests of Australian families.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The LNP pride themselves on not replacing serving PM's, but I can't see how his position is tenable.

John Gorton would be interested to hear that… If he was alive that is...

Gorton was never toppled, he resigned didn't he?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The question for non LNP die-hards must be whether Turnbull has the courage of his convictions.

Standing by Abbott's bumbling daily cycle of moronic buffoonery has left Turnbull looking rather wishy washy ethically.

Sure it's politics. But there's a desperate need to move beyond politics when it comes to climate change.

As we resign ourselves now to the impending likelihood of a 3 degree rise in temperature, it's surely time we actually genuinely thought about the interests of our children in terms of preventing a 4+ degree rise.

Anyone who doesn't know the implications of a 3+ degree rise and therefore the implications of the climate policies of who they vote for, needs to do some rapid getting up to speed on the dire future facing our children and grandchildren.

Nothing makes my blood boil more than both parties doing nothing yet saying they represent the interests of Australian families.

At the end of the day he will just be a figurehead. How he feels about the ETS doesn't reflect on what the LNP want.

 

[Yossarian]

The LNP pride themselves on not replacing serving PM's, but I can't see how his position is tenable.

John Gorton would be interested to hear that… If he was alive that is...

Gorton was never toppled, he resigned didn't he?

Only in a very literal sense. McMahon challenged a sitting PM and half of them voted against Gorton. Gorton did resign but it can't be spun as something other than a successful move against a serving PM. Gorton certainly would not have quit if he won or if there was no challenge. Also Peacock challenged Fraser in the early 80s. So the suggestion the Libs don't try to topple PMs is flimsy. Menzies is the only PM to resign willingly since WW2…

 

[Yossarian]

And the spill vote is on next Tuesday according to Auntie

 

[Jerry_Seinfeld]

And the spill vote is on next Tuesday according to Auntie

Their only hope I would imagine would be Turnbull doubt Abbott or even Bishop can win the next election.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The LNP pride themselves on not replacing serving PM's, but I can't see how his position is tenable.

John Gorton would be interested to hear that… If he was alive that is...

Gorton was never toppled, he resigned didn't he?

Only in a very literal sense. McMahon challenged a sitting PM and half of them voted against Gorton. Gorton did resign but it can't be spun as something other than a successful move against a serving PM. Gorton certainly would not have quit if he won or if there was no challenge. Also Peacock challenged Fraser in the early 80s. So the suggestion the Libs don't try to topple PMs is flimsy. Menzies is the only PM to resign willingly since WW2…

So we're talking 30 years since the last time an LNP leader was challenged, let alone toppled. The ALP have replaced three sitting PM's in the last 25 years. In contemporary politics it's a fairly true statement Yoss.

 

[softlaw]

The debacle that was the Labor leadership in the last Government showed that you can;t have the current and ex-PM/challenger as sitting members in the same Parliament.

Will abbott resign if he loses or will the challengers resign if he/she/they lose?

 

[Yossarian]

[quote="Cultured Bogan"

Gorton was never toppled, he resigned didn't he?

Only in a very literal sense. McMahon challenged a sitting PM and half of them voted against Gorton. Gorton did resign but it can't be spun as something other than a successful move against a serving PM. Gorton certainly would not have quit if he won or if there was no challenge. Also Peacock challenged Fraser in the early 80s. So the suggestion the Libs don't try to topple PMs is flimsy. Menzies is the only PM to resign willingly since WW2…

So we're talking 30 years since the last time an LNP leader was challenged, let alone toppled. The ALP have replaced three sitting PM's in the last 25 years. In contemporary politics it's a fairly true statement Yoss.

It would be 3 of their last 4 PMs. Plus in between Peacock, Howard, Hewson, Downer, Nelson and Turnbull all challenged and replaced.

Sorry if I've buggered up the quote sequence!

 

[Yossarian]

And the spill vote is on next Tuesday according to Auntie

Their only hope I would imagine would be Turnbull doubt Abbott or even Bishop can win the next election.

As I noted above the issue would be what sort of policy shift the party allows him to make. What does he do about climate change for example and can he really get the right to fall in behind him.

 

[Yossarian]

The debacle that was the Labor leadership in the last Government showed that you can;t have the current and ex-PM/challenger as sitting members in the same Parliament.

Will abbott resign if he loses or will the challengers resign if he/she/they lose?

This assumes there is a leadership vote. Abbott would have to walk. I think Bishop and Turnbull would hang around if they lost, particularly if it was a 3 or more candidate field

 

[Tiger_Watto]

And the spill vote is on next Tuesday according to Auntie

I've decided to nominate for the Prime Minister Role next Tuesday… Time to sort out this mess!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

So we're talking 30 years since the last time an LNP leader was challenged, let alone toppled. The ALP have replaced three sitting PM's in the last 25 years. In contemporary politics it's a fairly true statement Yoss.

It would be 3 of their last 4 PMs. Plus in between Peacock, Howard, Hewson, Downer, Nelson and Turnbull all challenged and replaced.

Sorry if I've buggered up the quote sequence!

We're not talking about knifing opposition leaders though. It makes sense to change leaders if you're being killed in opposition.

I still to this day don't know how politics favourite loveable loser Kim Beazley led in opposition for as long as he did, and that he got a second bite of the cherry.

 

[TrueTiger]

Latest opinion poll…...Preferred PM......

Tiger Watto 65%...

Tony Abbott 35%...

source...TT poll.....