Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[southerntiger]

Lambie is a dope and Xenaphon a populist politician - waste of votes.
In the end the Liberals pulled the wrong rein - Turnbull is all fluff and was good for them to attract some swinging votes without being made leader.
They wouldn't have done any worse with Abbott - I think the best thing for them now would be somehow to get Julie Bishop to the top.
As for Bill Shorten,he is an insipid leader who looks like he is waiting for someone (a union official?) to give him a slap at any moment.
Plus he's a liar.
What a poor bunch to choose from :unamused:

They are ALL liars when it suits them, Abbot turned lying into an art form, Gillard and Howard told lies , pick a leader who hasn't. I think Noah was the last leader who didn't.
And he probably only told everyone to be prepared for scattered showers.

I was overjoyed when Turnbull rolled that fruitcake Abbottand , would have voted Coalition, but when Turnbull became Abbott series 2 , I changed my mind.

Happy to see it's likely to be a Senate that can block anything too right wing.
These days it's too dangerous to give any major Party the control of BOTH houses

Would have loved to see the restrictions on Negative Gearing though,
I guess we'll just have to watch that legalised Tax Evasion method continue blocking young people from affording a start in their own homes for another 3yrs.
Particularly in the Capital cities

GCT the reason people can't afford him in the cities and country area is pure greed

Greed from everyone involved , including the SELLERS , you and I

Sure thats human nature. So good policy needs to take into account of such motivations. Neg gearing is terrible policy. No one supports it other than for selfish reasons i.e. they are in real estate, construction or already hold investment properties.

It been abandoned in nearly all developed countries because of recognition that it badly distorts the market.

Our tax laws don't allow taxpayers to deduct non-commercial business losses against other income (i.e. losses from businesses that are not intended to make a profit) so why do we allow non-commercial property losses against other income?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Lambie is a dope and Xenaphon a populist politician - waste of votes.
In the end the Liberals pulled the wrong rein - Turnbull is all fluff and was good for them to attract some swinging votes without being made leader.
They wouldn't have done any worse with Abbott - I think the best thing for them now would be somehow to get Julie Bishop to the top.
As for Bill Shorten,he is an insipid leader who looks like he is waiting for someone (a union official?) to give him a slap at any moment.
Plus he's a liar.
What a poor bunch to choose from :unamused:

They are ALL liars when it suits them, Abbot turned lying into an art form, Gillard and Howard told lies , pick a leader who hasn't. I think Noah was the last leader who didn't.
And he probably only told everyone to be prepared for scattered showers.

I was overjoyed when Turnbull rolled that fruitcake Abbottand , would have voted Coalition, but when Turnbull became Abbott series 2 , I changed my mind.

Happy to see it's likely to be a Senate that can block anything too right wing.
These days it's too dangerous to give any major Party the control of BOTH houses

Would have loved to see the restrictions on Negative Gearing though,
I guess we'll just have to watch that legalised Tax Evasion method continue blocking young people from affording a start in their own homes for another 3yrs.
Particularly in the Capital cities

GCT the reason people can't afford him in the cities and country area is pure greed

Greed from everyone involved , including the SELLERS , you and I

Policy created the market. You and I started school or were in primary when CEO'S earned their pay which was around twenty times that of a low paid worker and one income could generally support an average family.in a city.

Then the conservatives such as Reagan and Thatcher with their corporate bretherin, despite protestations were allowed to dismantle a just society and place it on the path to today's lopsided model, where for the rich paying taxes is no longer required, but optional.

Negative Gearing (especially on existing homes) and capital gains exemption are an extension to already much lower taxes that have been delivered and helped create our structural defecit. The superannuation handouts that Costello gave out and changes that keeps more money in the pockets of the high end than actual Pension funds paid is/was social injustice, with some eating dog food to get by.

You're right though, greed is rampant.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

he has always been a blusterer as far as politics are concerned and as Keating stated 20 years ago he does not possess judgement.

His senate will be just as hung as before if not worse and that was his double dissolution trigger so he deserves all that he got. I am glad Lambie got up even though she is non sophistcated nor highly educated. She must have been doing something right. It may be fantastic Xenaphon having balancing control of the Senate.

Will Xenephon get into the Senate BBF ??

Last night on the radio when coming home he didn't sound that confident

I only viewed ABC results at 3am and thought Xenaphon gets three senate seats. At that stage Hanson did not have the current numbers that I don't like.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Big week for Turnbull…what a weak gutted excuse he is...told you :angry:

The bloke was co-chair of Goldman Sachs Australia, one of the most competitive and ruthless organisations in the world. No one who gets to that position is weak.

He's being tactful at the moment which is understandable given his history. I have no doubt he'll start to rock the boat as soon as he's entrenched himself a bit.

He'll never be entrenched in his party , too many enemies with clear memories. It just depends whether he returns to Turnbull version 1 , and tries to actually lead, or stays a puppet for the perks and Power,
Wouldn't mind a bet that he has two running battles, with both his party Abbott sympathisers , and with the Senate.
Make that three, with News Limited.
Whenever anything goes wrong , he can look forward to a full page Front page, Cartoon of himself .
It'll be nice watching them devouring one of their own , for probably the one and only time.

 

[Muffstar]

Are Lazarus, Wang and Muir still senators after this election ?

 

[Nelson]

Are Lazarus, Wang and Muir still senators after this election ?

Wang yes, the other two are gone. Wang will be the sole remaining PUP representative. They should rename it the Wang party, it would probably get more votes.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Labor ahead 71-67

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Lambie is a dope and Xenaphon a populist politician - waste of votes.
In the end the Liberals pulled the wrong rein - Turnbull is all fluff and was good for them to attract some swinging votes without being made leader.
They wouldn't have done any worse with Abbott - I think the best thing for them now would be somehow to get Julie Bishop to the top.
As for Bill Shorten,he is an insipid leader who looks like he is waiting for someone (a union official?) to give him a slap at any moment.
Plus he's a liar.
What a poor bunch to choose from :unamused:

They are ALL liars when it suits them, Abbot turned lying into an art form, Gillard and Howard told lies , pick a leader who hasn't. I think Noah was the last leader who didn't.
And he probably only told everyone to be prepared for scattered showers.

I was overjoyed when Turnbull rolled that fruitcake Abbottand , would have voted Coalition, but when Turnbull became Abbott series 2 , I changed my mind.

Happy to see it's likely to be a Senate that can block anything too right wing.
These days it's too dangerous to give any major Party the control of BOTH houses

Would have loved to see the restrictions on Negative Gearing though,
I guess we'll just have to watch that legalised Tax Evasion method continue blocking young people from affording a start in their own homes for another 3yrs.
Particularly in the Capital cities

GCT the reason people can't afford him in the cities and country area is pure greed

Greed from everyone involved , including the SELLERS , you and I

Yeah that's one reason, but Negative gearing ups the demand on the lower end of the scale( the sector that is usually the entry point for younger couples,
There a lot off people who buy up as many of those houses as they can. Which raises the demand.
The only reason that most can do this is by negative gearing up to the hilt, thus pushing young people out.
The other reason that Im against Negative gearing ,( on existing houses) is that , while not caring what people do with their money, l object that my taxes are subsiding other people who want to buy a string of investment properties and then use this tax evasion dodge to be able to pay less tax.
The Country needs money now and in the future, but unless some of these tax holes are eradicated, ( both NG, as well as the pittance that the Big Boys pay) we'll always be behind
They won't hit the Multinationals , but will chase Tradies or PAYG to a ridiculous extent.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Labor ahead 71-67

I am not following news at all - extra ordinary, Imagine how bad a result for Libs if Abbott would have stayed leader. There are much worse things than having Jason as coach and Robbie as captain.

 

[happy_tiger]

Labor ahead 71-67

I am not following news at all - extra ordinary, Imagine how bad a result for Libs if Abbott would have stayed leader. There are much worse things than having Jason as coach and Robbie as captain.

For starters , watch the Aussie $ tomorrow

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Labor ahead 71-67

I am not following news at all - extra ordinary, Imagine how bad a result for Libs if Abbott would have stayed leader. There are much worse things than having Jason as coach and Robbie as captain.

I saw a betting agency today with him as a 2 50 dollar favourite to be the next libs leader. I wouldn't touch him if he was 250/1\. Just what the LNP needs.

 

[Bob]

This 3 minute video I think proves how much the pollies lie. It's a shame it is about to stop, it must be the impending ABC cuts.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-30/fact-checking-the-election:-how-do-the-records-of/7556382

 

[Yossarian]

Are Lazarus, Wang and Muir still senators after this election ?

Wang yes, the other two are gone. Wang will be the sole remaining PUP representative. They should rename it the Wang party, it would probably get more votes.

They could form a coalition with the Sex Party. Is Wang going to get up? Last I checked his numbers were pretty flaccid…

 

[guyofthetiger]

Lambie is a dope and Xenaphon a populist politician - waste of votes.
In the end the Liberals pulled the wrong rein - Turnbull is all fluff and was good for them to attract some swinging votes without being made leader.
They wouldn't have done any worse with Abbott - I think the best thing for them now would be somehow to get Julie Bishop to the top.
As for Bill Shorten,he is an insipid leader who looks like he is waiting for someone (a union official?) to give him a slap at any moment.
Plus he's a liar.
What a poor bunch to choose from :unamused:

They are ALL liars when it suits them, Abbot turned lying into an art form, Gillard and Howard told lies , pick a leader who hasn't. I think Noah was the last leader who didn't.
And he probably only told everyone to be prepared for scattered showers.

I was overjoyed when Turnbull rolled that fruitcake Abbottand , would have voted Coalition, but when Turnbull became Abbott series 2 , I changed my mind.

Happy to see it's likely to be a Senate that can block anything too right wing.
These days it's too dangerous to give any major Party the control of BOTH houses

Would have loved to see the restrictions on Negative Gearing though,
I guess we'll just have to watch that legalised Tax Evasion method continue blocking young people from affording a start in their own homes for another 3yrs.
Particularly in the Capital cities

GCT the reason people can't afford him in the cities and country area is pure greed

Greed from everyone involved , including the SELLERS , you and I

Policy created the market. You and I started school or were in primary when CEO'S earned their pay which was around twenty times that of a low paid worker and one income could generally support an average family.in a city.

Then the conservatives such as Reagan and Thatcher with their corporate bretherin, despite protestations were allowed to dismantle a just society and place it on the path to today's lopsided model, where for the rich paying taxes is no longer required, but optional.

Negative Gearing (especially on existing homes) and capital gains exemption are an extension to already much lower taxes that have been delivered and helped create our structural defecit. The superannuation handouts that Costello gave out and changes that keeps more money in the pockets of the high end than actual Pension funds paid is/was social injustice, with some eating dog food to get by.

You're right though, greed is rampant.

I agree the negative gearing laws need to change, but I think to be fair, first homebuyers should have the same options anyone previously has had; that they shouldn't be forced to buy a McMansion, and that restrictions should be more on 2+ properties.

Either way, hopefully we have a senate that's more climate conscious as we're running out of time.

Added to that, given artificial intelligence is estimated to take some 40% of jobs from workers over the next 5-10 years, we need to resurrect the more just notion of a welfare safety net, as opposed to the post Howard notion of bashing single mums while boosting middle class and corporate welfare. Otherwise, the rich won't need workers, and the gap between rich and poor will be far worse than now.

I think it was Sweden that recently voted for each citizen to receive monthly payments from the state given the loss of jobs to AI and other factors. It was voted down, as expected, but we're going to have to go that way.

We need to remember that welfare is about well being for all. It's not about handouts for scabs. That means taxes not tax breaks for the big end of town. Especially corporate taxes not being evaded as AI takes over.

Labour seem to at least be attempting some forward thinking but the LNP have had no vision whatsoever. No planning for future industries with Howard, nor anything from them since.

 

[guyofthetiger]

Big week for Turnbull…what a weak gutted excuse he is...told you :angry:

The bloke was co-chair of Goldman Sachs Australia, one of the most competitive and ruthless organisations in the world. No one who gets to that position is weak.

He's being tactful at the moment which is understandable given his history. I have no doubt he'll start to rock the boat as soon as he's entrenched himself a bit.

He'll never be entrenched in his party , too many enemies with clear memories. It just depends whether he returns to Turnbull version 1 , and tries to actually lead, or stays a puppet for the perks and Power,
Wouldn't mind a bet that he has two running battles, with both his party Abbott sympathisers , and with the Senate.
Make that three, with News Limited.
Whenever anything goes wrong , he can look forward to a full page Front page, Cartoon of himself .
It'll be nice watching them devouring one of their own , for probably the one and only time.

I don't get the argument that Turnbull will have a mandate.

If he does form government in his own right, those who won their seats are just as likely to say they got him there.

I see him as a Trojan horse for the far right Christian lobby. They will be the death of this country if they get a foothold again.

I can't see Turnbull 1.0 coming back. It's either Turnbull 2.0 who went to the election or something further right again.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Big week for Turnbull…what a weak gutted excuse he is...told you :angry:

The bloke was co-chair of Goldman Sachs Australia, one of the most competitive and ruthless organisations in the world. No one who gets to that position is weak.

He's being tactful at the moment which is understandable given his history. I have no doubt he'll start to rock the boat as soon as he's entrenched himself a bit.

He'll never be entrenched in his party , too many enemies with clear memories. It just depends whether he returns to Turnbull version 1 , and tries to actually lead, or stays a puppet for the perks and Power,
Wouldn't mind a bet that he has two running battles, with both his party Abbott sympathisers , and with the Senate.
Make that three, with News Limited.
Whenever anything goes wrong , he can look forward to a full page Front page, Cartoon of himself .
It'll be nice watching them devouring one of their own , for probably the one and only time.

I don't get the argument that Turnbull will have a mandate.

If he does form government in his own right, those who won their seats are just as likely to say they got him there.

I see him as a Trojan horse for the far right Christian lobby. They will be the death of this country if they get a foothold again.

I can't see Turnbull 1.0 coming back. It's either Turnbull 2.0 who went to the election or something further right again.

Unfortunately I think you are right

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Had to have a laugh at the Conservative wrist slitting on Sky News. Poor old Bolty and Paul Murray were harping on about how the result would have been with Abbott still in power.

The LNP would have been slaughtered with Abbott there. Turnbull was their best bet because while he alienated the far right, he would have made up reasonable ground in centrist voters, and some from the centre left who are disenfranchised with the ALP.

I went with Xenophon, the closest thing we've had to the Democrats. Hope he continues to pursue the geographical predatory pricing issue for supermarket majors. May end up holding a balance of power in the Senate so he may be able to coerce the majors into pursuing this.

 

[Tigerdon]

Had to have a laugh at the Conservative wrist slitting on Sky News. Poor old Bolty and Paul Murray were harping on about how the result would have been with Abbott still in power.

The LNP would have been slaughtered with Abbott there. Turnbull was their best bet because while he alienated the far right, he would have made up reasonable ground in centrist voters, and some from the centre left who are disenfranchised with the ALP.

I went with Xenophon, the closest thing we've had to the Democrats. Hope he continues to pursue the geographical predatory pricing issue for supermarket majors. May end up holding a balance of power in the Senate so he may be able to coerce the majors into pursuing this.

Xeno is good for our parliament. He has an unbiased view and always seems to make sensible calls. He's nobody's puppet.
I've had a few chats to Abbott over the last couple of years down at my surf club. I got Clubman of the year this year , so he now knows my name. He's friendly enough, a pretty bad surfer. I don't know how he ever ended up as PM. Certainly not for his smarts.

 

[Geo]

I'm at Palm Cove and have the internet speed of dial up…

Is the election a draw? Are we now into Golden Point...?

Far out it's hard to get info in FNQ...

 

[Yossarian]

I'm at Palm Cove and have the internet speed of dial up…

Is the election a draw? Are we now into Golden Point...?

Far out it's hard to get info in FNQ...

They've gone to the bunker. On field decision is hung parliament.