Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here
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That was a by-default win Stryker. Much like the ALP winning the next election if Tony stayed at the helm.
Just on what Watto said, I don't know how many people I've had to tell that the Westminster system of government has never allowed the electorate to vote for the leader of the nation, you instil the power in your local candidate to do that on your behalf and that is only if their party forms government.
"Yeah, but, we know who the figurehead is when they campaign, that's what I vote on…" Yeah, and you're an idiot. Vote on policy, the political apathy in this country is outstanding... We deserve the governments we get.
Just on what Watto said, I don't know how many people I've had to tell that the Westminster system of government has never allowed the electorate to vote for the leader of the nation, you instil the power in your local candidate to do that on your behalf and that is only if their party forms government.
"Yeah, but, we know who the figurehead is when they campaign, that's what I vote on…" Yeah, and you're an idiot. Vote on policy, the political apathy in this country is outstanding... We deserve the governments we get.
happy_tiger
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@Cultured Bogan said:
One of the problems forcing the entire population to vote CB
Many of the people voting shouldn't be and couldn't care less either way
One of the few areas the Americans have it right in my opinion
happy_tiger
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@stryker said:
Martin Bryant would have almost won the election Abbott did
Many politicians far better than Abbott have lost elections or not been opposition leader
Costello was one good example
Turnbull mightn't be the greatest leader of all time , but he easily better than ANY option available from any sides of politics (state or federal )
happy_tiger
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@Rambo2714 said:
Poll currently on ninemsn page
Preferred PM
Turnbull 81%
Shorten 19% with over 20000 votes cast
Even allowing for a 10 % swing , Shorten is a dead man walking
@happy tiger said:
I disagree. I believe compulsory voting is the right way to go, because everyone has to have their say. I couldn't cop non-voters incessantly whingeing either way when they don't get the government they want. More should be taught on the political system in school, without added political bias.
happy_tiger
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@Cultured Bogan said:
But many of these "voters" are just sheep anyway or donkey vote
Educating them or not educating them doesn't help either way
@tiger_one said:
I'm talking more about the mechanics of politics in Australia, not the teaching of ideology. The fact that I've corrected well over two dozen friends in the last couple of days on the basic working principles of our system of government would suggest that they don't know nearly enough.
Ideology can be taught, but it is malleable based on what sort of person you are. I grew up in family where one of my parents family voted ALP staunchly and the others voted Nats/Libs. I was very much an ALP supporter when I hit voting age and since then I've moved to the centre as I've found that I am not completely in sync with ALP ideology as I thought I was (I hated unions for example,) and I'm not against economic liberalism as long as successful businesses pay their fair share.
Our media turning it largely into a melodrama rather than reporting the facts hurts the general public's interest also.
Tim Sheens
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What a difference having progressive leaders in charge makes.
Instead of politicians standing in front of an ever growing number of flags and beating chests in actions that most probably further alienated and encouraged troubled youth, we now have a reasoned response to the terrible act of an individual that shot a police employee in Parramatta on Friday.
Confrontation and the dropping of political bombs by conservative politics, particularly in the wake of the actions of the deranged Monis is seemingly and hopefully a thing of the past, with consultation now seen as a better way forward.
Good to see the true liberals wresting back some of the conservative's control within the Liberal party and thus the coalition governments at state and federal levels. Consultative around the table meetings such as that in Canberra on Thursday show that things are changing, with community, business and employee representatives getting to have a say.
Instead of politicians standing in front of an ever growing number of flags and beating chests in actions that most probably further alienated and encouraged troubled youth, we now have a reasoned response to the terrible act of an individual that shot a police employee in Parramatta on Friday.
Confrontation and the dropping of political bombs by conservative politics, particularly in the wake of the actions of the deranged Monis is seemingly and hopefully a thing of the past, with consultation now seen as a better way forward.
Good to see the true liberals wresting back some of the conservative's control within the Liberal party and thus the coalition governments at state and federal levels. Consultative around the table meetings such as that in Canberra on Thursday show that things are changing, with community, business and employee representatives getting to have a say.
@formerguest said:
Hard to disagree with this. I believe a key to successful and efficient government is bipartisanship. Consultation with the opposition is important to maximising effect of policy. They don't have to get their way, but constructive criticism should always be well received and carefully considered.
It is absolutely embarrassing that we favoured a dithering, ineffective mess under Abbott. All things considered, I'd say Shorten is probably crapping his dacks now, his days are certainly numbered.
She's Back….
hammertime
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@jadtiger said:
Lets hope with a decent leader now that people will steer clear of the protest vote for any minor party. It's the only reason why the Greens and Palmer have gotten such a foothold over recent years… not to mention that drip in the motoring enthusiasts.
Thank god the days of Gillard, Rudd & Abbott are well behind us.
History has really made the people who cheered when Howard got the boot look like dimwits.
Gary_Bakerloo
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@hammertime said:
With some decent tax reform and we go full circle with a new Carbon and Mining tax (or call them what you like), history will judge Gillard more kindly than Abbott. Abbott's repeal of what I believe was the best piece of tax reform since the GST is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in Australian politics.
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