Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[OzLuke]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

I’ve read she’s surrounded by security.

So was Epstein.....

This is going to be fascinating to watch unfold

 

[GNR4LIFE]

What’s this I always hear about CNN and MSNBC being fake and intentionally misleading? A couple on here have mentioned Fox as being a true source of information more than once. So imagine my surprise

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jul/07/fox-news-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon-epstein-maxwell-photo-cropped-out

Settle down, we don't want to upset Kaptain Kool-Aid.

Funny side story. His son posted a pic of her on Twitter at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding with the hashtag birds of a feather. Then deleted said tweet when a journo reminded him that he himself (Eric) had been on his fathers private jet with Epstein.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

I’ve read she’s surrounded by security.

So was Epstein.....

This is going to be fascinating to watch unfold

So if nothing happens to her, and she names names, does that debunk the Clinton’s as murderers?

 

[jadtiger]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

I’ve read she’s surrounded by security.

So was Epstein.....

This is going to be fascinating to watch unfold

So if nothing happens to her, and she names names, does that debunk the Clinton’s as murderers?

Not on fox it wont

 

[jadtiger]

Boarder closed with Victoria. I feel sorry for border communities .

General feeling down here in Vic is that the whole state will be back into lock down by the end of the week. Probably the right call anyway.
Interesting take on the social housing issue. Broken down lifts, shared laundry facilities, no balconies, cramped common area and narrow hallways - surely we can do better than that. I understand the point that the Chief Medical Officer was making, but it's a bit rich refering to them as vertical cruise ships. Shines a spotlight on another welfare issue, not unlike the inadequate jobs seeker payment pre-covid19.
I remember the social housing in Pyrmont Bridge Road, but my recollections are that it was much better than what we have in inner Melbourne.

Through necessity, pretty extraordinary restrictions have been put in place and it shows just how easily the virus is transmitted in lower socio-economic communities, especially ones that apparently have to share facilities. It should be of no surprise, as there is plenty of evidence from all levels of developed countries showing the same thing.

The circumstances show a need to remove the infected to isolation facilities such as hotels or otherwise, as it seems obvious that further spread will occur otherwise.

Meanwhile, a political opportunist takes to attacking those locked down vulnerable people on national television. Disgusting!

Is it that she’s tone deaf or genuinely racist ? To me, maybe I’m wrong but she was basically saying the same things you were saying about lower socioeconomics, and more community based refugees who we have let down in making sure they understood what was required, in regards to social distancing . Which seems obvious to me . Also what else seems obvious is how many of those towers are from African descent , and participated in the protests.
Seems fairly obvious that we need to investigate these things , to try to pin down what has caused the spread , and look at ways to prevent the spread moving forward .
To me she just seems like she is unable to deliver a fairly obvious message without coming across as a bigot. If she has empathy ,and compassion , she really struggles to convey it .

She is racist and also a bigot. if you examine her outbursts over many years she always attacks minorities vietnamese refugees-asians in general-indigenous australians-asians-muslims-african refugees-chinese and now back to africans again(chronological order though it is possible i missed some).Also very anti gay.She has been doing this for 30+ years and it was only the fact she was so vocal in her bigotry that got her expelled from the liberal party.

You forgot ex-con.

I can't stand the woman - but really that was a concerted beat up by the governement and Murdoch.

I completely agree

 

[OzLuke]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

I’ve read she’s surrounded by security.

So was Epstein.....

This is going to be fascinating to watch unfold

So if nothing happens to her, and she names names, does that debunk the Clinton’s as murderers?

Interesting thought.....would they rather her live and do forever in prison after they get named and found guilty? Or will they continue to take the alleged risk and continue the apparent "whistleblower accident" trend?? Big call one way or the other.....

 

[GNR4LIFE]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

I’ve read she’s surrounded by security.

So was Epstein.....

This is going to be fascinating to watch unfold

So if nothing happens to her, and she names names, does that debunk the Clinton’s as murderers?

Interesting thought.....would they rather her live and do forever in prison after they get named and found guilty? Or will they continue to take the alleged risk and continue the apparent "whistleblower accident" trend?? Big call one way or the other.....

Just like accusing her of running a pedophile ring out of the basement of a pizza place that has no basement. Big call.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

I’ve read she’s surrounded by security.

They only need get an inside man into that security. Or pay people to look the other way. There's many ways it could be facilitated.

 

[OzLuke]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

I’ve read she’s surrounded by security.

They only need get an inside man into that security. Or pay people to look the other way. There's many ways it could be facilitated.

Lots of people with lots of money would be very interested in pitching in!!!!

 

[Tim Sheens]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

I’ve read she’s surrounded by security.

They only need get an inside man into that security. Or pay people to look the other way. There's many ways it could be facilitated.

Lots of people with lots of money would be very interested in pitching in!!!!

Not to mention the potential of foreign government involvement, which I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were involved in the earlier "suicide".

 

[Don Kershane]

Found guilty of fraud by a judge .Sure they beat it up but were proven correct . It is a shame that don't show the same zeal on matters like Robodebt , sports rorts etc

 

[Papacito]

Ok cool . But her policies on border control , are not controversial

I disagree she basicaly wants a return to the White Australia Policy.I am a 67 year old white male and part of the group she targets to be elected preying on peoples fears. She is not a dope she is ignorant but she knows exactly what buttons to push

She is playing to an audience, just like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon does, worse part is that audience exist to play to.

In saying that you do not defeat these attitudes by banning or silencing them, you defeat them by countering them and showing that they are wrong. You don't ever change the opinion and attitude of individuals involved, but you have a chance with the people who are still developing their attitudes and beliefs. If you ban these opinions and ideas from being heard and countered you lose that opportunity and just push ideas and beliefs you disagree with under ground.

And produce a new type of voter known as “the quiet Australian”

100%, her views need to be given a platform, but they need to be countered. That was the problem with the Today show segment and with society in general is they moved straight to the outrage response instead of having someone counter her racist opinion with facts and truth. Her claims about methadone and producing advice in different languages for example should have been countered.

The same thing should have happened with Israel Folua.

Interesting take, but how much of a platform and what platform do dumb, fringe opinions deserve?

If 99.9% of scientists think vaccines work, would you give anti-vaxxers 50% airtime just so you hear "both sides of the story"?

Her opinions are most definitely on the fringe and are not widely held. Her party couldn't even score a seat in the house of reps.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Found guilty of fraud by a judge .Sure they beat it up but were proven correct . It is a shame that don't show the same zeal on matters like Robodebt , sports rorts etc

Easier to hang a fringe party candidate, especially a jilted ex Liberal/ALP member.

 

[Tiger5150]

I found this very interesting. I am a keen follower of US politics and society/culture and over the last few years have been amazed at what is going on over there (IMO a subversive marxist/post modern revolution). A lot of how it has gotten to this point eludes me, it doesnt make sense to me.

I stumbled onto this guy today, Yuri Bezmenov a KGB operative who defected to the US. His thoughts and warnings, back in 1983 are imo are incredibly prescient and if you listen to what he is describing, it is unbelievably accurate in the current times. In these videos he describes the "stages" and one is "crisis" which seems exactly what is going on right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA&feature=emb_logo

or a longer more detailed video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-cWbq1PoSw

 

[TillLindemann]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

I’ve read she’s surrounded by security.

They only need get an inside man into that security. Or pay people to look the other way. There's many ways it could be facilitated.

Lots of people with lots of money would be very interested in pitching in!!!!

Not to mention the potential of foreign government involvement, which I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were involved in the earlier "suicide".

Yes I'm not sure why this angle gets so little attention. If preying on underage girls is your thing, you don't tend to go out of your way to get the attention of powerful people around the world. Looks very much to me like a honey trap on steroids.

https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligence-work/

 

[cochise]

Ok cool . But her policies on border control , are not controversial

I disagree she basicaly wants a return to the White Australia Policy.I am a 67 year old white male and part of the group she targets to be elected preying on peoples fears. She is not a dope she is ignorant but she knows exactly what buttons to push

She is playing to an audience, just like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon does, worse part is that audience exist to play to.

In saying that you do not defeat these attitudes by banning or silencing them, you defeat them by countering them and showing that they are wrong. You don't ever change the opinion and attitude of individuals involved, but you have a chance with the people who are still developing their attitudes and beliefs. If you ban these opinions and ideas from being heard and countered you lose that opportunity and just push ideas and beliefs you disagree with under ground.

And produce a new type of voter known as “the quiet Australian”

100%, her views need to be given a platform, but they need to be countered. That was the problem with the Today show segment and with society in general is they moved straight to the outrage response instead of having someone counter her racist opinion with facts and truth. Her claims about methadone and producing advice in different languages for example should have been countered.

The same thing should have happened with Israel Folua.

Interesting take, but how much of a platform and what platform do dumb, fringe opinions deserve?

If 99.9% of scientists think vaccines work, would you give anti-vaxxers 50% airtime just so you hear "both sides of the story"?

Her opinions are most definitely on the fringe and are not widely held. Her party couldn't even score a seat in the house of reps.

Any Platform they can gain, she already has her platform. A news program should not be banning someone because they don't agree with their opinion, that is not how news is supposed to work and also the reason I think all news based programs should be commercial free. You defeat arguments or ideas you don't agree with by arguing against them, not banning them because you can not ban ideas and thoughts. You have to show why they are wrong.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Ok cool . But her policies on border control , are not controversial

I disagree she basicaly wants a return to the White Australia Policy.I am a 67 year old white male and part of the group she targets to be elected preying on peoples fears. She is not a dope she is ignorant but she knows exactly what buttons to push

She is playing to an audience, just like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon does, worse part is that audience exist to play to.

In saying that you do not defeat these attitudes by banning or silencing them, you defeat them by countering them and showing that they are wrong. You don't ever change the opinion and attitude of individuals involved, but you have a chance with the people who are still developing their attitudes and beliefs. If you ban these opinions and ideas from being heard and countered you lose that opportunity and just push ideas and beliefs you disagree with under ground.

And produce a new type of voter known as “the quiet Australian”

100%, her views need to be given a platform, but they need to be countered. That was the problem with the Today show segment and with society in general is they moved straight to the outrage response instead of having someone counter her racist opinion with facts and truth. Her claims about methadone and producing advice in different languages for example should have been countered.

The same thing should have happened with Israel Folua.

Interesting take, but how much of a platform and what platform do dumb, fringe opinions deserve?

If 99.9% of scientists think vaccines work, would you give anti-vaxxers 50% airtime just so you hear "both sides of the story"?

Her opinions are most definitely on the fringe and are not widely held. Her party couldn't even score a seat in the house of reps.

Any Platform they can gain, she already has her platform. A news program should not be banning someone because they don't agree with their opinion, that is not how news is supposed to work and also the reason I think all news based programs should be commercial free. You defeat arguments or ideas you don't agree with by arguing against them, not banning them because you can not ban ideas and thoughts. You have to show why they are wrong.

Generally agree, though in this case it is a show that I think sells products through infomercials and you have a Queensland senator talking about certain Victorians.

 

[mike]

I never liked Jeff Kennett when he was the Victorian Premier but ever since he left politics he has grown on me. Especially since his stint as Chairman of ByondBlue. My opinion of him continues to grow as he calls out the Victorian response to Covid19 and tells it how it is.

 

[cochise]

Ok cool . But her policies on border control , are not controversial

I disagree she basicaly wants a return to the White Australia Policy.I am a 67 year old white male and part of the group she targets to be elected preying on peoples fears. She is not a dope she is ignorant but she knows exactly what buttons to push

She is playing to an audience, just like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon does, worse part is that audience exist to play to.

In saying that you do not defeat these attitudes by banning or silencing them, you defeat them by countering them and showing that they are wrong. You don't ever change the opinion and attitude of individuals involved, but you have a chance with the people who are still developing their attitudes and beliefs. If you ban these opinions and ideas from being heard and countered you lose that opportunity and just push ideas and beliefs you disagree with under ground.

And produce a new type of voter known as “the quiet Australian”

100%, her views need to be given a platform, but they need to be countered. That was the problem with the Today show segment and with society in general is they moved straight to the outrage response instead of having someone counter her racist opinion with facts and truth. Her claims about methadone and producing advice in different languages for example should have been countered.

The same thing should have happened with Israel Folua.

Interesting take, but how much of a platform and what platform do dumb, fringe opinions deserve?

If 99.9% of scientists think vaccines work, would you give anti-vaxxers 50% airtime just so you hear "both sides of the story"?

Her opinions are most definitely on the fringe and are not widely held. Her party couldn't even score a seat in the house of reps.

Any Platform they can gain, she already has her platform. A news program should not be banning someone because they don't agree with their opinion, that is not how news is supposed to work and also the reason I think all news based programs should be commercial free. You defeat arguments or ideas you don't agree with by arguing against them, not banning them because you can not ban ideas and thoughts. You have to show why they are wrong.

Generally agree, though in this case it is a show that I think sells products through infomercials and you have a Queensland senator talking about certain Victorians.

That is exactly why all news based programs should be commercial free. The today show is supposed to be a light hearted look at news, but it is still based about the news. As soon as you have commercials the primary focus is about ratings, news services should not be pandering to what people want to hear to increase ratings. That is what has led to the creation of the outrage culture that we now have.

 

[TrueTiger]

I have been steering clear of giving my opinion in regard to the BLM movement in case some take offence to what I say but here goes...
I read today that Patty Mills the NBA star who plays for Orlando in USA,has donated the rest of this seasons salary to the BLM in Australia he is an indigenous player...
Its his money and he can give it to whoever he wants,but here is my input and what I would do if I was in his position of earning what he does and can donate what he does,I have said many times that the children in Westmead who are undergoing treatment for numerous types of cancer are given a chance to overcome the illness and get a chance at life itself..the research is ongoing and needs much money to keep finding new treatments and cures,thats what I would donate to...
In having said that,the BLM is about black deaths in custody,this is where some will take offence,it is of my opinion if you are in custody or incarcerated then you must have done something wrong to be in that position irrespective of drugs.murder,rape or home invasion..all of these are wrong..
If a person is killed in custody or murdered by a police officer than it must be investigated and treated justifiably ...for the officer to have done that then he must have had a reason which we could argue all day about...however my whole point is that the children in Westmead are trying to survive a life threatening disease,their lives are still infront of them..
Blacks,Whites,Yellow,Green or what ever colour that are in custody are old enough to know whats right and whats wrong especially if they are 18 and older,Im not talking about minors in this example..
My whole point is if BLM get all this donated money why don't they spend it on educating and helping the Black community to stay OUT OF CUSTODY and on the right side of the law???
I still would put my resources into helping the children not someone of any colour to get out of trouble when they have got there themselves...