Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

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@stryker said:
As for your call about ooggy booggy, Labor won the last election based on this and there are still posters everywhere I look to remind me.
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Mate you wana talk about negative politics, the Liberals are the king of negative politics. It's the only think Abbott brings, he certainly doesn't use policy (given he has none).

The Unions are NOT aligned with the Labor party, they support the Labor party because the Labor party was founded by workers and the two share these roots, simple. To say they are aligned is a nothing short of a lie.

Mate you claim to be neither Liberal or Labor… but if the Unions control the Labor gov. given you hate them... really leaves you with one choice....

Look, I do hope you aren't getting heated in this. We clearly come from opp. ends of the spectrum and will never see each others point.
 
@Kaiser said:
Mate you claim to be neither Liberal or Labor… but if the Unions control the Labor gov. given you hate them... really leaves you with one choice....

Look, I do hope you aren't getting heated in this. We clearly come from opp. ends of the spectrum and will never see each others point.
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Yeah your right there does only seem to be the one choice for me..Unfortunately I have huge questions about them as well. I think Abbott is a good brawler and likes being in opposition as he is an attack dog. But can he lead the country?As you have rightly pointed out he has introduced bugger all policies thus far and his ultra conservative religious views on certain things is another pet hate of mine.

However this Labor government have come up with some stupid, ill-conceived plans and are very wasteful with our money such as:

# The 20/20 summit - The Labor party and "the man with a plan", gathered 1000 of Australias brightest for a two day gab fest so they could all nut out a plan for the future.

# Their backflipped CPRS - After Copenhagen Rudd claimed -" To not take up the CPRS while waiting for the rest of the world to act would be political cowardice….an absolute failure of leadership and an absolute failure of logic". Then he put it on the backburner.

# Their failed ETS - described by many as a "tax on everything"...this too was shelved however Gillard is promising to revisit it.

# Their Stimulous packages - Free monetry gifts given to everyone ..most of which were spent on everything other than what the government wanted them spent on...

# Their Home Insulation Scheme - Their finest hour!! - 4 deaths, countless injuries, 100 house fires and over 100 million dollars to rectify after already spending multiple BILLIONS on it.

# Their bizaar behaviour at the Climate Conference in Copenhagen - Where Rudd and his cronies chased Obama around like love sick puppies.

# Their Building and Education Revolution - which has become nothing more than a rort whereby we are spending BILLIONS of dollars more than we should be

# Their Mining super Profits Tax - Already being reported as effecting our superannuation and overseas investment.

There has been plenty more but these are the big ones to date. I guess we're damned if we do kick them out and more so if we dont.

BTW I knew we were on opposite ends of the spectrum mate and will probably never agree....it'd be a boring place if we all did!
 
@stryker said:
@Yossarian said:
The CFMEU and perhaps the MUA are a different kettle of fish to the more mainstream unions. Very bolshy but again not really reflective of the average union or union member.

Those two are the ones I am talking about and you know it.
As for your last sentence, what are you basing that on?
Who's being obstreperous now????
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Obstreperous? For real? You're going to accuse others of that? The bolshy reference was of course to the unions not you…

Anyway I'm basing that on my experience with a whole range of unions (no I'm not a union official, never have been yes I have been a workplace delegate). Unions like the CPSU, HSU, FSU do a good job in providing representation for workers and negotiating workplace agreements. My knowledge of the CFMEU and MUA which is from admittedly a distance is that they are a lot more militant and quick to employ tactics as you described. The CPSU for example is hardly going to storm a Medicare office and chain themselves to the counter.
 
@Kaiser said:
Mate you wana talk about negative politics, the Liberals are the king of negative politics. It's the only think Abbott brings, he certainly doesn't use policy (given he has none).
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Opposition government has no resources to cost policy until an election is called. At which point, the executive arm goes into 'caretaker' mode where all parties can use the executive to cost policy. With little options to create sound policy, you can take the approach Rudd did in the prior election where you copy the current govts costed policy, then add symbolic gestures like sign Kyoto and to apologize to the indigenous people.

Or you can do what Abbott has done and used party funds to hire PWC to cost his alternate ETS policy and maternity leave scheme… and I'm not sure, but I think these things are policy.

@Kaiser said:
The Unions are NOT aligned with the Labor party, they support the Labor party because the Labor party was founded by workers and the two share these roots, simple. To say they are aligned is a nothing short of a lie.
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Pretty sure 'aligned' and 'support' are pretty much the same thing…
 
@Kaiser said:
The Unions are NOT aligned with the Labor party, they support the Labor party because the Labor party was founded by workers and the two share these roots, simple. To say they are aligned is a nothing short of a lie.
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BTW Kaiser dont call me a liar when you come out with ridiculous BS like this mate….either you are lying or you just dont know.
 
People need to realise it isn't the face you are voting for it is the party.

I will be voting Liberal.

And some advise to anyone wanting to 'take a stand' because neither choice in the main parties are desirable - please remember a vote for Greens is a vote for labour more or less. It takes no stand.
 
Given the current choices I will be voting a invalid vote.

I doubt Gillards credentials and I know for a fact Abbot is a God bothering nutjob with no capacity for international presence
 
I really don't know at this stage. I have doubts over Abbott's sanity but I don't think Labor have done a great job. I will definitely be voting Liberal for State Govt as Labor have done nothing for years now.
 
@Annibelle said:
@Tiger Watto said:
Moving Forward, Shouldnt all Women be home baking Cookies…

Them's fighting words :astonished:
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I hope that computer you're using is in the kitchen! :laughing:

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@crouching_tiger said:
Just a reminder to all…

The WestsTigers have NEVER won a NRL Premiership under a Labor government.

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Hi everyone

After that, well, there's no contest … I will definitely be voting Liberal.

Tigergran
 
Gillard comes across as completely dis-engenuine, coupled with the fact that she was up to her eyeballs in all the tradgedies of Labors first term of government. The Labor party in general are the most in-efficient money wasters available and I do not trust them due to their control by the unions and factional warlords.

Abbot is living in the wrong century due to his ridiculous views on certain subjects which can all be boiled down to his retarded religous tendancies. However his party knows how to better manage the economy and they arent afraid to make the tough decisions re boat peoople. They will reign in the spending and absolute waste of this government. I dont like Abott, but at the end of the day I believe the party can control him.

Three more years of Labor will be disastarous for this country.
 
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