Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

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@Yossarian said:
@BRET said:
@Yossarian said:
Exactly. A lot of rubbish is written about preference flows. Preferences are up to the individual voter!! Unless you vote above the line in the Senate the only "deal" being done is the order of numbering on the HTV papers.

It would be just as accurate to say a vote for Fred Nile's lunatic party is a vote for the Liberals…

Most people (85% the most recent calculations) will follow the recommended preferences given by the main party they are voting for. Greens are in bed with Labor, it is in both their interests to have the preferences reflect that. Yes, you could choose any order you wish, however most don't as they only want to follow the prompts of the main party they want to win, so they will jot down their 1234's according to the HTV paper given by who they are voting for. So most people are not choosing a preference at all - the main party is choosing.

What a load of rubbish. If your numbers are to be believed all it means is 85% of voters (are you suggesting the Greens are a "main party"? If not does it matter how ALP or Lib voters follow the HTV??) CHOOSE to follow the HTV they are given. Nobody forces them to do anything and for you to suggest some big evil ALP-Green alliance is compelling unwilling voters to follow a HTV you are being disingenuous at best.

Like I said the flow of preference from Christian Democrats (Fred Nile) and Family First is a lot more solid than Greens to ALP but nobody sane actually thinks Fred Nile forces his voters to choose the Libs as a second preference.

No you read it wrong. What I said was (and sorry I can't find the link now, it was something I read last night online) that most voters when picking up the HTV card from either main parties (ALP, Libs - I didn't say Greens were a major party as if) that 85% of those voters will copy out the 1,2,3,4 etc preferences as advised by the main party they are voting for. So when voting for instance for ALP, they have an agreement with Greens so that they are listed as an ALP preference number 2\. And the Greens will do that for ALP as their number 2\. So when the Greens don't win (and they won't) we know that anyone who filled out the preferences as advised by the Greens would be putting ALP as preference 2, helping Labor get more seats against their competitors. Hope that makes sense, I am not too great at getting my point out in text.

Anyway here is a link that might help people understand the Greens deal with ALP.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/19/2957323.htm
 
@rollingstone said:
I wonder if all you liberal voters have jobs. Going by your spelling and grammar you certainly didn't have an education. Anyway if you do have jobs, you would do well to consider what your employment situation would have been if the Liberal party had been in power. According to the World bank and the International Monetary Fund, under the policies espoused by the Liberals, more than 200,000 Australians would have lost their jobs and thousands of businesses would have gone broke. Australia, instead of being in a growth phase would be in a deep recession. Instead, we have low unemployment, high spending on infrastructure, a budget deficit so small that it is the envy of all major economies and a national debt which was described by Treasury as negligible. Our economy is known around the world as "the wonder from down under".

You probably owe your livelihood to the Labor Party, your kids either have or soon will have a laptop computer, you can go to a hospital which has substantially more nurses than when Tony Abbott as Health Minister took the axe to their numbers. All this, and you would go back to a political party which will reintroduce the worst aspects of Work Choices to cut your wages and conditions and allow your boss to sack you without a reasonable excuse.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

:laughing: What a load of tripe.

The Labor party have been in rule for less than three years, and all the cronies want to attribute the relative stability of Australia during the 'GFC' to an extremely successful Labor government. Let us not forget that the Liberals ran this country for just shy of twelve years up until late 2007.

Go dye your hair brown Julia.
 
@rollingstone said:
I wonder if all you liberal voters have jobs. Going by your spelling and grammar you certainly didn't have an education. Anyway if you do have jobs, you would do well to consider what your employment situation would have been if the Liberal party had been in power. According to the World bank and the International Monetary Fund, under the policies espoused by the Liberals, more than 200,000 Australians would have lost their jobs and thousands of businesses would have gone broke. Australia, instead of being in a growth phase would be in a deep recession. Instead, we have low unemployment, high spending on infrastructure, a budget deficit so small that it is the envy of all major economies and a national debt which was described by Treasury as negligible. Our economy is known around the world as "the wonder from down under".

You probably owe your livelihood to the Labor Party, your kids either have or soon will have a laptop computer, you can go to a hospital which has substantially more nurses than when Tony Abbott as Health Minister took the axe to their numbers. All this, and you would go back to a political party which will reintroduce the worst aspects of Work Choices to cut your wages and conditions and allow your boss to sack you without a reasonable excuse.

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Oooooohhhh what a load of toff!!!!!! Mate you as biased as anyone else
BTW who the hell do you think you are to come on here and attack peoples level of education. Some of the best thinkers never went to university - get over yourself!
 
Did anyone catch Gillard getting her backside handed to her this morning by Alan Jones?

She is a deadset liar…unmitigated liar! I mean how can you trust her? She comes from VERY shady beginnings and leopards dont change their spots. She also has a big "tell". Whenever she is caught out or doesnt have a truthful answer for a question she does this extremely condescending fake laugh.
 
@rollingstone said:
Good to see all the dribble our current Ranga PM is feeding you has brain-washed you. All Labour achieved by abolishing Work Choices was to ensure less jobs in the future….

Neither party has a solution on Health, neither party has a solution on Immigration and neither party have a solution on Education, other than to appease minority groups to ensure they are elected....

I didn't get much of an education, but I own my on Company? And more importantly, I certainly won't be voting Labor!!!
 
@tiger watto said:
@rollingstone said:
good to see all the dribble our current ranga pm is feeding you has brain-washed you. All labour achieved by abolishing work choices was to ensure less jobs in the future….

Neither party has a solution on health, neither party has a solution on immigration and neither party have a solution on education, other than to appease minority groups to ensure they are elected....

I didn't get much of an education, but i own my on company? And more importantly, i certainly won't be voting labor!!!

i grew up a proud flanno wearing labor voting kid from the western suburbs but this has all changed after the labor party got hijacked by crims and puppets of crims(kenneally comes to mind).with time these same people will infiltrate the federal government if given the opportunity we must restore the labor party to what it once was and flush out these illegals.my votes going to liberal again.
 
For those who missed the Alan Jones segment

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=6672
 
Here is a spreadsheet with a list of policies and whether parties are opposed or in support of them.

http://spreadsheets0.google.com/ccc?key=tLBnCYZYTiTlDoreuUMxT7A&hl=en#gid=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How anyone can justify voting for either party baffles me. If everyone actually stopped buying the propaganda and voted for a third party then the two party power trip would finally end.

Liberals:
Oppose almost everything about Lesbian and Gay Rights including Same Sex Parenting, Anti-Discrimination, Same Sex Marriage and State Based Relationship Register
Support the withdrawal of UN Treaties on immigration and refugees
Oppose harm minimisation strategies as a way to combat narcotic dependency
Oppose carbon pricing
Oppose the NATIONAL BROADBAND NETWORK
Oppose the structural separation of Telstra

They will have us destroy this planet and offer assistance to nobody. They don't seem to represent the Australian cultural image.

Labor:
Oppose increasing spending on mental illness… something that is responsible for almost every homeless case
Oppose, though slightly lesser, lesbian and gay rights related policies
Support the mandatory internet filter! WTF!?
Oppose the national classification system that would allow adult classified video games to finally be available in this country
Oppose corporate taxation increases, though counter that with their mining company tax (something I actually support)
Support tax exempt status for religions (apparently the religious zealot Tony Abbott does not have an opinion either way)

Of course I am highlighting what I say as the negative points in their cases. Click the link to see the positives. In my opinion though, the Greens policies are a far cry from as negative as either of these parties. And as a result I will be voting for them as 1 and for ASP as 2, with no other preferences listed on my card.
 
@magpie mania said:
My vote daniel fitzhenry just to keep him out of the wests tigers team on sundays.

the fWo party 😱pen_mouth:

but we already have enough politicians that spin :slight_smile:
 
@BRET said:
For those who missed the Alan Jones segment

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?option=com_newsmanager&task=view&id=6672

was that the segment where aj got caught in the toilets in the uk
yeah lets vote liberal no penalty rates, no public hoildays etc
at least the labor party put money into the schools which was needed even if it wasnt well policed
 
@stryker said:
Did anyone catch Gillard getting her backside handed to her this morning by Alan Jones?

She is a deadset liar…unmitigated liar! I mean how can you trust her? She comes from VERY shady beginnings and leopards dont change their spots. She also has a big "tell". Whenever she is caught out or doesnt have a truthful answer for a question she does this extremely condescending fake laugh.

Or when she has no answer altogether, she comes out with "Hold on a second, let me explooooin" before repeating the question that was asked of her and then proceeding to trot out with a very underdone and almost useless answer.

at least the labor party put money into the schools which was needed even if it wasnt well policed

What the hell does a school need with _**two**_ libraries?
 
One thing i do know for certain.
Anyone who votes Labor has never been on both sides of the fence. And judging by the comments on here with people who are carrying on like political experts, it is transparent…
 
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