Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here
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Keep it civil..take a breath..
Keep it civil..take a breath..
bathursttiger1
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That’s the great thing about a democracy, we are lucky enough to be able to have a political decision without being executed or sent to a Gulag.
Pascoes_barber
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Yes, back on topic thanks @coivtny.
pawsandclaws1
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I watched that this morning and it is hilarious (excellent satire).Very pleasing they are continuing after the electiom and will continue to "keep the bastards honest".Don Chipp was one of my favourite pollies
Tim Sheens
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Thanks for the reminder, as I haven't caught up with their stuff for a while and enjoyed it as usual.
Just too many of the government’s failures getting shown all over the place for a month or so, even their BS on climate policy. so no need to go there for a catchup.
I have said it before and I will say it again.....Libs,Lab, or whatever,they are poison to the good people of Australia...vote for us and we will work for the people,make a better life BS....if they are so honest why do we have high inflation,groceries,fuel interest rates and low wages....they dont want to help us better ourselves because their little pots of gold they distribute amongst themselves will eventually stop and we cant have that now can we...
The Govt work for us...unfortunately some one forgot to tell the wankers we voted for ..
The Govt work for us...unfortunately some one forgot to tell the wankers we voted for ..
Tim Sheens
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Please have a look at the respective policies and achievements of both major parties, say from your teenage years as they will be in your memories. Then list those that have improved the community as a whole and particularly those less well off, written side by side down a page divided by a line down the centre and then come back to me on what you found.
You will though find one column with plenty of text showing just how many major positive changes that one of the two main parties have created.
The other column with Liberal/National coalition written at the top will be fairly barren, but may include the refugee policy of the mid to late seventies and gun laws a couple of decades later. You may decide to include the GST and cutting of your industry's weekend penalty rates on the same day Morrison gave himself another couple of hundred a week if you think such is good for you and those struggling.
The major parties are nowhere near the same, with the full column one creating things whilst in the main still better managing the economy. The other just [This word has been automatically removed]s things much more often than not.
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Tim Sheens
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Guessing that most if not all of those from the @pawsandclaws1 post above would likely have been implemented in your teenage years @TrueTiger and a good place to start recollection or searching.
I can assist in filling in the decades before the likes of not only staving off going into the long lasting GFC recession , but the being the leading OECD economy, all whilst creating infrastructure works. Add in the optical fibre NBN, effective climate and pollution policy, then top it off with the great NDIS up until 2013 and there is nothing since.
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Magpie_Magic
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I think though the years I wish there was democracy on real issues, and all issues, not only ones we are allowed to vote on.
Thing like;
Foreign policy,
Nuclear power,
Water transfer,
Economic policy,
Immigration rate.
Unemployment rate,
Defense policy,
Free trade policy,
Etc.
I personally liked Malcolm Fraser. Growing up I thought Australia was at its best. Maybe helped that Wests were winning lol but it seems Australia has been on a slide ever since.
Then along came Hawkie and for me he helped destroy Australia's industry and trade unions, everything he purportedly stood for.
And not long after Howard came along and seemed to change the liberal party into a conservative one. He sold out to foreign interests and most went along with it while their house price was rising.
Berift of industry, technology ,social cohesion and inclusiveness with a crumbling infrastructure overcrowded expensive cities and now in China's crosshairs Australia now longer has a lot going for it.
The bubble is bursting. Clinging and overarching to a fading U.S. with an overindebted population in an era of long term rising rates with a 1.2 trillion dollar debt can't see many off ramps. Increasing taxes, falling real incomes and further social dislocations will multiply. People will become increasingly tribal hunkering down to protect their families interest as things get tougher and rougher. Australians generally are not go givers under duress and things will get tough and looking back to the 80s, go giving was not a virtue.
It was almost like governments and the public knew Australia's best days were over subconsciously so it was like sort out your families future because long term there there isn't alot of potential. Sadly there has always been a bit of this through Australia's white history, a help yourself buffet mentality of short term exploitation.
Australia sadly is beyond salvation.
Thing like;
Foreign policy,
Nuclear power,
Water transfer,
Economic policy,
Immigration rate.
Unemployment rate,
Defense policy,
Free trade policy,
Etc.
I personally liked Malcolm Fraser. Growing up I thought Australia was at its best. Maybe helped that Wests were winning lol but it seems Australia has been on a slide ever since.
Then along came Hawkie and for me he helped destroy Australia's industry and trade unions, everything he purportedly stood for.
And not long after Howard came along and seemed to change the liberal party into a conservative one. He sold out to foreign interests and most went along with it while their house price was rising.
Berift of industry, technology ,social cohesion and inclusiveness with a crumbling infrastructure overcrowded expensive cities and now in China's crosshairs Australia now longer has a lot going for it.
The bubble is bursting. Clinging and overarching to a fading U.S. with an overindebted population in an era of long term rising rates with a 1.2 trillion dollar debt can't see many off ramps. Increasing taxes, falling real incomes and further social dislocations will multiply. People will become increasingly tribal hunkering down to protect their families interest as things get tougher and rougher. Australians generally are not go givers under duress and things will get tough and looking back to the 80s, go giving was not a virtue.
It was almost like governments and the public knew Australia's best days were over subconsciously so it was like sort out your families future because long term there there isn't alot of potential. Sadly there has always been a bit of this through Australia's white history, a help yourself buffet mentality of short term exploitation.
Australia sadly is beyond salvation.
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The Liberal Party has always been a conservative party since i was a kid(Menzies era).Certainly there have always been some moderates in the party (what i would call real liberals) but the ratio has changed dramatically over the years to now being far more right wing.
It is interesting you mention Fraser as he started out as an arch conservative but over the years found a far more humanitarian side to his nature,i think the Vietnamese refugee influx and his handling of it was a large part of the conversion to becoming a decent Australian and human being
I had've wished someone (from the major parties,) had the balls to engage with a favourable pro-nuclear policy. Thing is it's too late now anyway, by the time we get some nuclear plants commissioned and ready for operation fusion technology mightn't be that far away at that point.
From what i have read fusion is still a a long way from being a possibility but undoubtedly will be a far safer and acceptable form of energy production than fission.
bathursttiger1
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My dad used to say “ Governments promise you everything and give you nothing and before you get it they take it away”
Small experiments have worked as a proof of concept (there was a British tokamak which generated 59MJ for five seconds.) It's the commercial/industrial upscaling where the problems lie, and the ability to maintain sustained reactions. The ITER and Chinese experiments will be where they realise it's ability to be upscaled in large applications.
Overall it solves two problems, carbon emissions in energy production, and the by product of the process is Helium which is generally in low supply.
@Jedi_Tiger can you please supply hard evidence of ABC bias.
I feel they are straight down the middle.
Jedi_Tiger
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Albo was interesting today couldn't name the 6 points of his NDIS policy and then had a folder passed to him so he could read from it
Jedi_Tiger
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Just like Sky News is not biased towards the right
Cmon be serious ABC bias towards Labor and Sky news etc bias towards liberal
You know what you are getting with both but they are both bias, don't be naive and think ABC is straight down the middle please
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