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China in the Solomon Islands is probably the worst thing that can happen to Australia.
I had been thinking for a while now the reason why the head honcho of the Solomon Islands prefers China over Aust. is because he is running a corrupt Govt and doesnt want Us poking around and exposing that.
Then a couple pf days ago "China has been handing brown paper bags full of cash to Solomon Islands Govt reps"...maybe they learnt that from our Sydney Roosters eh?
It's perfectly plainly obvious that China is on the offensive currently.
In any interviews with Chinese Govt people atm it's perfectly plainly obvious how cocky they have become.

100% agree.

The US has had China surrounded for many years by military bases with nukes (Okinawa, Korea, Guam, Marshall Islands).

But now China will soon have a gun at Australia's head, holding us hostage to give them one up in negotiations with the US.

If the going gets tough, the yanks won't be there for us.

Really huge fail for our national security. Probably our worst ever.
 
Especially saying shit like we’ll improve wages / we’ll get grocery prices down.
How? Mofo, How?
Both are guilty.

This kills me as well. You'll increase wages which will lead to people spending more money (especially on houses) which will lead to great inflation.

At some point we as a society need to wake up to ourselves.

We spend too much money. We cause house prices to be so high. We complain about our wages and then go and spend $8.50 on a freaken beer. I spend that the other day but I don't do it regularly.

Politicians appeal to the worst of us.

I'd like to see politicians get in on trying to do the right thing but we won't vote for them.
 
Raising wages is pretty basic policy. Governments not capping rises in the public sector way below inflation for a start and federally making recommendations to the Fair Wotk Commission on the minimum wage.

They should cap wages way below inflation. If I was in power I'd state very clearly no increase in wages via public jobs until we have our debt under control.

I have no problems with increasing the minimum wage. That isn't going to cause runaway inflation.

In what universe do you have a massive debt and then state well let's spend more.
 
We're up for some very rough economic times in the next few years.

Even though it's anecdotal, I heard an interview this morning on ABC radio with a farmer that sent alarm bells ringing in my head. It got me thinking back to studying economics at uni and learning about boom/bust cycles.

He said a lot of farmers are going out of business due to inflation pressure on things like electricity, fuel etc.

When farmers go out of business, it reduces supply of produce. When demand stays the same, it means costs go up.

Eventually that will attracts farmers to start up again, but there will be a lag before they start producing and prices come back down. Perhaps years. I wouldn't be surprised if this is happening in other industries too.

This plus stagnant wages, rising interest rates and mega personal and government debt could hurt us very hard. This has all been brewing for a decade, the pandemic has just sped things up a bit.
 
Especially saying shit like we’ll improve wages / we’ll get grocery prices down.
How? Mofo, How?
Both are guilty.

Goes back to what I was saying a page or two ago. The major parties are bereft of creative minds who would be able to enact policy to bring about meaningful change. Both just want to maintain the status quo to be palatable, hence why Labor have said they will honor the Turnbull tax policy, they've left negative gearing alone, softened their approach on fossil fuels somewhat and aborted the franking credits policy. Whether right or wrong, they decided to change tact in order to appeal to a wider base rather than trying to initiate change. It's about populist appeal for the majors, and as result you get the likes of Palmer and the Greens making OTT promises like 3% interest rates and improved net zero targets because they know they will never hold a majority government and won't be held to those promises. They appeal to a smaller section of the population and will leech votes away from the ALP/LNP, but that's about all they are effective at.
 
I don't know if they could have done anything. It's a big mistake. I'm not going to crucify them for it.

They are incompetent though and it's time for a new government to be given a chance to show us they too are incompetent.

I have no doubt that one of the main reasons for our failure in the Solomons was by the way our "government" has ignored climate change and our pacific neighbours very valid concerns about their short to long term viability and survival.I am sure many of us remember the churlish reponse by our then PM Abbott at a pacific meeting when he thought the microphone was off and our continuation of ignoring their legitimate concerns.
Labor could not do a worse job than what the coalition has done uptil now
 
They should cap wages way below inflation. If I was in power I'd state very clearly no increase in wages via public jobs until we have our debt under control.

I have no problems with increasing the minimum wage. That isn't going to cause runaway inflation.

In what universe do you have a massive debt and then state well let's spend more.
The NSW Public Service already had wage increases capped at 2.5 and lower for years.
 
100% agree.

The US has had China surrounded for many years by military bases with nukes (Okinawa, Korea, Guam, Marshall Islands).

But now China will soon have a gun at Australia's head, holding us hostage to give them one up in negotiations with the US.

If the going gets tough, the yanks won't be there for us.

Really huge fail for our national security. Probably our worst ever.

Yanks are a crumbling empire. As you say, if push comes to shove they will leave us in the lurch. They basically outsourced their foreign policy to us and we failed. Good diplomatic relations need to be re-established with China, regardless of who wins the election.
 
I don't know if they could have done anything. It's a big mistake. I'm not going to crucify them for it.

They are incompetent though and it's time for a new government to be given a chance to show us they too are incompetent.
The Solomon Islands suffered the largest cut from the Australian Aid programme between 2009 to 2019. So cuts are partly to blame for this failure.
 
Yanks are a crumbling empire. As you say, if push comes to shove they will leave us in the lurch. They basically outsourced their foreign policy to us and we failed. Good diplomatic relations need to be re-established with China, regardless of who wins the election.
China's best days are behind it too though, I think it is even more screwed than America. It is facing a demographic disaster, with one of the fastest aging societies in history and a population that will be rapidly shrinking. And unlike most other aging societies it doesn't have an adequate pension and aged care system in place, and is too big too use migration as a solution. Its aggressive foreign policy has sparked disputes with pretty much all its neighbours, it has hitched its cart to the wrong horse by backing Russia which is busily committing suicide. Its completely over the top response to covid and crackdown on dissent is fuelling an exodus of expats and international businesses from Hong Kong and Shanghai.

Its growth in the last 3 decades has been fuelled by a construction boom and manufacturing for the global economy. The former cannot go on with a shrinking population, the latter is already shifting to cheaper countries like Vietnam, Bangladesh, India, and developed countries looking to bring manufacturing home.
 
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We're up for some very rough economic times in the next few years.

Even though it's anecdotal, I heard an interview this morning on ABC radio with a farmer that sent alarm bells ringing in my head. It got me thinking back to studying economics at uni and learning about boom/bust cycles.
And that's the problem too, they tried to totally eliminate boom bust cycles by QE and artificially low interest rates a d we ended up with a lop sided economy where people and even many business can't negotiate an economic cycle.
 
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I have no doubt that one of the main reasons for our failure in the Solomons was by the way our "government" has ignored climate change and our pacific neighbours very valid concerns about their short to long term viability and survival.I am sure many of us remember the churlish reponse by our then PM Abbott at a pacific meeting when he thought the microphone was off and our continuation of ignoring their legitimate concerns.
Labor could not do a worse job than what the coalition has done uptil now
Our government ignored climate change so they get into bed with the one country who doesn’t give a rats arse about it? Gotta be more to it don’t you think?
 
Yanks are a crumbling empire. As you say, if push comes to shove they will leave us in the lurch. They basically outsourced their foreign policy to us and we failed. Good diplomatic relations need to be re-established with China, regardless of who wins the election.
Where I believe the U.S. went wrong is by abandoning the gold standard and manipulating currencies too much, and also with its aggressive foreign policy including 80 military bases all around the world crowding nations and superpowers in and in combination with using their dollar for sanctions on virtually anyone that looks a competitor and bringing down smaller nations by meddling in their politics putting Muppets in, coups and initiating insurrection and undeclared wars. Their pushing globalization and being the instigators of the so called GFC has ruined many people.

The other thing is the U.S. tends to beggar it's neighbors and allies eventually, look at Japan ,Latin America and now Europe. They will be the big losers for going into bat for U.S. forward foreign policy, when a more balanced relationship with Russia definitely would have kept the peace in their backyard. Now they will really struggle doing America's heavy lifting buying expensive weapons, food, energy from the U.S. to which they are totally subservient.

End result is their losing all their soft power and most worldwide including many in the West don't like them.

And in the end that's where most of their power was derived.

As for a war with China, this is why I believe it was a mistake to go with the subs for 80 billion. Submarines really will be an extension of the U.S. military against China in a forward role far from Australia which is very problematic to me. It is provocative to China .and it means we a an unwitting tool for the U.S.

If war breaks out in Taiwan I can't see the U.S. winning. They would have to keep their carriers well back for fear of Chinese missile strikes. And with our subs lobbing a few missiles in China we them become a target, a rather soft one because China won't attack the U.S..

And we will have to go along with sanctions bankrupting us while we have little industry after the U.S. pushed us along the top of the globalization curve.

And while a detente may gradually occur between the superpowers sanctions will remain and China will forever remember a really shitty small country that turned up in its waters.

That's why I would've invested the 80 billion on another 8 frigates 500 jets and some conventional subs so then we could influence U.S. defense policy in a way more practical for Australia.

Whatever happens, China will always be our neighbors even if the U.S. losses interest in this region.
 
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The Solomon Islands suffered the largest cut from the Australian Aid programme between 2009 to 2019. So cuts are partly to blame for this failure.

The flip side is that we aren't outbidding China. It's a geopolitical issue and we can't get into any sort of fight with China.
 
The NSW Public Service already had wage increases capped at 2.5 and lower for years.

Which to me is good. Wages haven't been rising. At this point in time giving out wage increases would be gross incompetence.

I have no problems with helping out the poor and disadvantaged.
 
They should cap wages way below inflation. If I was in power I'd state very clearly no increase in wages via public jobs until we have our debt under control.

I have no problems with increasing the minimum wage. That isn't going to cause runaway inflation.

In what universe do you have a massive debt and then state well let's spend more.
Thanks Christ you'll never be in power then. No real wage growth, destroying the public service. How is it the fault of APS staff that the Commonwealth runs up a debt?
 
Thanks Christ you'll never be in power then. No real wage growth, destroying the public service. How is it the fault of APS staff that the Commonwealth runs up a debt?

We don't have the money to give out.

I definitely wouldn't destroy the public service either. They are good jobs. If they can do better they are welcome to it.

Are house prices too high ?
Is the debt too large ?

There is a cost to fixing this stuff. You cannot continue to pump the economy with money.

You are definitely right though in that no one would vote for my policies. Can you imagine it - you guys have had your fun and now it's time for tightening your belts.

Did you see that guy attack Morrison in the pub because he wanted a bigger pension. Getting on the piss at the pub and complaining your pension isn't big enough. It kills me.
 
Which to me is good. Wages haven't been rising. At this point in time giving out wage increases would be gross incompetence.

I have no problems with helping out the poor and disadvantaged.
I believe if any part of our society deserves pay increases, it is our doctors, nurses, paramedics and all staff who have been frontline against Covid. They have risked their lives to help those unfortunate enough to contract the disease. We need to remember a lot of their salaries is spent supporting businesses.
 
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