Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Bismark]

:laughing: I agree 100% Stryker….people dont deserve to vote....

We should go down the USA road and not make it compusory...

Then we can form a strong lobby out of WT Fans run on a NBN platform.......and make some money

No way. The issue with that kind of system is how do you set up voting stations when you don't know how many people are going to vote. Look up USA voting online and see how many people DIDN'T vote because they COULDN'T, due to the infrastructure being so poor given they have no idea how many people are going to turn out.

It's better that everyone has a say, makes you care more. I reckon there are a tonne of people that start paying attention to politics because they have to, and they wouldn't be voting in a voluntary system.

No, our system is awesome.

 

[alien]

If the GG's role is compromised, should the Queen make the call?

Hell no. Who cares what that old bag thinks? :laughing:

 

[alien]

One thing that is stupid is some people say you can't complain about the government if you voted them in. What if before you vote you already don't like either of them? I don't understand why some people will defend everything one party does but if the other party does or says the same thing they would complain about it. They try and make the leader of their political party sound like some saint when neither of them are. The election seems like a sport to some people. This 3 year ritual might be compulsary but 3 million Australians who are enrolled voted no confidence in either Labor or the Coalition.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

:laughing: I agree 100% Stryker….people dont deserve to vote....

We should go down the USA road and not make it compusory...

Then we can form a strong lobby out of WT Fans run on a NBN platform.......and make some money

No way. The issue with that kind of system is how do you set up voting stations when you don't know how many people are going to vote. Look up USA voting online and see how many people DIDN'T vote because they COULDN'T, due to the infrastructure being so poor given they have no idea how many people are going to turn out.

It's better that everyone has a say, makes you care more. I reckon there are a tonne of people that start paying attention to politics because they have to, and they wouldn't be voting in a voluntary system.

No, our system is awesome.

I used to think that voting should be voluntary until the results of this election. By making it compulsory for everyone to have their say you are getting a relatively accurate idea of what the electorate are looking for.

In all honesty though, I believe the electorate needs to be less apathetic and not leave it to the people who keep up to speed on what is happening in politics.

Imagine if voting wasn't compulsory, how many people do you think would turn up if they didn't like either of the choices? At least with compulsory voting, those people are still free to put in a vote that doesn't count, but they've determined that they don't want to be a part of it and can't complain when they don't get what they want.

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

Happy with the result as long as the minority government is formed without liberal scum

:laughing: Your happy with a minority government?

Tells me just about everything I need to know.

BTW the only scumbags involved in this election were your union mates Howse and Shorten who so publically assasinated the PM.

Labor only has itself to blame.

Mate I was geeing you up… hook line and sinker

I agree with you... Labor did this to themselves. Atleast you can acknowledge that this had nothing to do with a "smart" campaign from big ears Abbott.

Stop being so high and mighty.... its pathetic.

 

[MGB]

Minority Governments just mean…...hey we will support you on this piece of legislation as long as you give us what we want...whatever that is. It also means one standing member resigns and you have a by election that could topple the government.

 

[Yossarian]

Interesting facts re the election:

Out of the 14,088,260 people enrolled to vote, only 10,413,604 people registered a formal vote.

Out of the remaining 3,674,656 people only 622,095 bothered to show up and vote in formal or donkey.

Therefore there were **<big>3,052,561</big>** Australians who were so apethetic about this election they couldnt even be bothered getting off their arse and visiting a polling booth, give or take a small percent for those who have recently died etc….

If ever there were an election where your voice would have been heard this was it and 22% of the population didnt give a stuff. You watch them all whinge when they want something though........

I've seen those stats and I'm not sure they represent final figures. I believe that only includes the votes counted thus far and not taking into account postals/provisionals/absentee

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Therefore there were **<big>3,052,561</big>** Australians who were so apethetic about this election they couldnt even be bothered getting off their arse and visiting a polling booth, give or take a small percent for those who have recently died etc….

3m people is quite a lot and that is a lot of "please explains" and fines from the government. Are you including postal votes? There are about 2m of them.

 

[stryker]

I've seen those stats and I'm not sure they represent final figures. I believe that only includes the votes counted thus far and not taking into account postals/provisionals/absentee

Got them from the AEC website, you may be right, they weren't difinitive either way.

 

[stryker]

Happy with the result as long as the minority government is formed without liberal scum

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I agree with you… Labor did this to themselves. Atleast you can acknowledge that this had nothing to do with a "smart" campaign from big ears Abbott.

Stop being so high and mighty.... its pathetic.

Governments dont win elections Kaiser…they lose them. Liberals had very little to do with this election result. Labor are being punished for their indescretions throughout the previous three years culminating in Rudds sacking. This result has the stink of your unions all over it.

How does questioning you make me high and mighty? I think that calling opposition teams, players, political parties scum is pathetic.

 

[MGB]

I reckon that's a bit harsh on Abbot, he ran a good campaign in the end considering everyone was waiting for him to insert his foot in his mouth. The Gov't lost the election because the opposition put up a good argument that this was indeed a bad govt. amongst other factors.

I personally don't mind him in opposition either he will keep the govt. honest rather than what we have here in QLD which is basically an ineffective opposition that don't make enough points about waste and poor management.

I just wsh someone would ask Labor to put their card well and truly on the table re: the NBN and prove it will actually cost what they say because that is one point that is often overlooked.

 

[tigerpies1]

Interesting facts re the election:

Out of the 14,088,260 people enrolled to vote, only 10,413,604 people registered a formal vote.

Out of the remaining 3,674,656 people only 622,095 bothered to show up and vote in formal or donkey.

Therefore there were **<big>3,052,561</big>** Australians who were so apethetic about this election they couldnt even be bothered getting off their arse and visiting a polling booth, give or take a small percent for those who have recently died etc….

If ever there were an election where your voice would have been heard this was it and 22% of the population didnt give a stuff. You watch them all whinge when they want something though........

stryker , those figures quoted are only for the 78.4% of votes counted so far there are still millions of absentee and postal etc to be counted .
At the 2007 Federal election 13,646,539 people were enrolled to vote and 12,930,814 people voted .
Also a donkey vote is when someone numbers 1,2,3 4 etc from top square down to thev last square in number order having no interest as to who they are voting for ,this is not an informal vote.

 

[Yossarian]

Interesting facts re the election:

Out of the 14,088,260 people enrolled to vote, only 10,413,604 people registered a formal vote.

Out of the remaining 3,674,656 people only 622,095 bothered to show up and vote in formal or donkey.

Therefore there were **<big>3,052,561</big>** Australians who were so apethetic about this election they couldnt even be bothered getting off their arse and visiting a polling booth, give or take a small percent for those who have recently died etc….

If ever there were an election where your voice would have been heard this was it and 22% of the population didnt give a stuff. You watch them all whinge when they want something though........

stryker , those figures quoted are only for the 78.4% of votes counted so far there are still millions of absentee and postal etc to be counted .
At the 2007 Federal election 13,646,539 people were enrolled to vote and 12,930,814 people voted .
Also a donkey vote is when someone numbers 1,2,3 4 etc from top square down to thev last square in number order having no interest as to who they are voting for ,this is not an informal vote.

You make a good point with your last sentence. I was getting a bit sick of the media suggesting donkey voting = informal voting.

 

[stryker]

Those figures probably dont include donkey votes then ….the 622k were informal votes

 

[Yossarian]

Those figures probably dont include donkey votes then ….the 622k were informal votes

Which runs the gambit from accidental (not numbering all the boxes) to deliberate (leaving it blank).

As a side note, writing rude messages doesn't make a ballot paper invalid so long as it doesn't identify the voter and the boxes are numbered.

 

[BRET]

If the GG's role is compromised, should the Queen make the call?

And how is this for ridiculous - when something goes past the GG and to the Queen, she makes her decision based on the advise of the current PM lol. So there goes that option.

 

[Geo]

If the GG's role is compromised, should the Queen make the call?

And how is this for ridiculous - when something goes past the GG and to the Queen, she makes her decision based on the advise of the current PM lol. So there goes that option.

Didn't work to well for Gough… 😕

 

[stryker]

If the GG's role is compromised, should the Queen make the call?

And how is this for ridiculous - when something goes past the GG and to the Queen, she makes her decision based on the advise of the current PM lol. So there goes that option.

Didn't work to well for Gough… 😕

haha Yeah but if ever anyone needed sacking from their job it was Whitlam….

 

[hammertime]

Surely the independents should make their votes towards who polled 2nd in their electorate. They should listen to the people that got them there.

Coincidentally, that would leave us with a Liberal Government… :wahoo:

 

[stryker]

I think you'll find that the decision is already made….they all seem to be reading from the same script.

I believe that Labor will get back in due to background shananigans - which they are pros at, I just hope that the results in this election are the massive boot up the backside that they need.

Sensible spending,
NBN policy on the backburner until some serious renovations can take place,
The same for the BER,
The same for the ETS.

I know I'm dreaming here, but maybe with a minority government they will be forced to rethink some of these rushed policies.