Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Geo]

Didn't work to well for Gough… 😕

haha Yeah but if ever anyone needed sacking from their job it was Whitlam….

Now you've started….

Gough Whitlam was a visionary...tax rebate for first home owners was ingenius....

 

[Yossarian]

Surely the independents should make their votes towards who polled 2nd in their electorate. They should listen to the people that got them there.

Coincidentally, that would leave us with a Liberal Government… :wahoo:

Not sure if you are being serious or not. So long as they don't join either party's government they can do what they want. They are independent after all.

 

[Yossarian]

Didn't work to well for Gough… 😕

haha Yeah but if ever anyone needed sacking from their job it was Whitlam….

Now you've started….

Gough Whitlam was a visionary...tax rebate for first home owners was ingenius....

Medibank…

 

[hammertime]

Surely the independents should make their votes towards who polled 2nd in their electorate. They should listen to the people that got them there.

Coincidentally, that would leave us with a Liberal Government… :wahoo:

Not sure if you are being serious or not. So long as they don't join either party's government they can do what they want. They are independent after all.

Completely serious. Labor had a vote of ONLY 6% in one of the independents electorates. Surely if they were from a National party background and the Liberals still carry a decent First preference percentage, then they should be voting on their people's voice, not their own agenda.

One method is democratic, the other borders on communism.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

NBN policy on the backburner until some serious renovations can take place,

Do you support the LNP broadband policy over NBN, if so, why?

What are the serious renovations that you would suggest take place to NBN?

 

[Yossarian]

Surely the independents should make their votes towards who polled 2nd in their electorate. They should listen to the people that got them there.

Coincidentally, that would leave us with a Liberal Government… :wahoo:

Not sure if you are being serious or not. So long as they don't join either party's government they can do what they want. They are independent after all.

Completely serious. Labor had a vote of ONLY 6% in one of the independents electorates. Surely if they were from a National party background and the Liberals still carry a decent First preference percentage, then they should be voting on their people's voice, not their own agenda.

One method is democratic, the other borders on communism.

Borders on communism :laughing: That actually gave me a laugh!! Well better check under the beds then eh?

You need to look at two things:

1 - If it was a straight ALP/Nat contest the ALP vote would be higher. There would be voters who would vote IND ahead of ALP but not for a NAT

2 - If they wanted a Coalition government they should have voted for a Coalition candidate!

Anyway they are elected as independents and they can do what they want.

 

[hammertime]

Borders on communism :laughing: That actually gave me a laugh!! Well better check under the beds then eh?

You need to look at two things:

1 - If it was a straight ALP/Nat contest the ALP vote would be higher. There would be voters who would vote IND ahead of ALP but not for a NAT

2 - If they wanted a Coalition government they should have voted for a Coalition candidate!

Anyway they are elected as independents and they can do what they want.

1\. Yes, but we can't measure that. But we can assume if they are a prior National candidate that most people voting for them would have Liberal tendencies. Considering the Liberal first preference vote is then also higher, it's a no brainer for me.

2\. Yes, but I'm sure this is not a situation they envisaged when they voted. I'm just trying to work out what the people would want as their preference off voting stats… which is all we have.

I'm amazed people are ok with this. All I'm saying, is it should be in the hands of the people. Not 4 blokes on power trips that can be bought off...

 

[citizen_cub]

I'm worried that now the Greens now control the balance of power in both the Senate and House of Reps. I can't believe people can be that stupid to vote for them. Their thought process is; 'stuff the big two parties, I'm voting for the Greens', but it just ends up going to Labor. There was about 8 to 9 seats where the Libs got a better primary vote, but the Greens then assisted Labor in winning the seat i.e. Reid. They are a threat to our economy, big businesses, small businesses and the mining industry. And now they want gay marriage, as Abbott rightly put it 'there are many great gay relationships', that's as far as it needs to go. They also want a 50% tax on mining, raise income tax and put a 50% on people earning over $1m and a DEATH tax! What planet are they living on!

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

I'm stupid cub… my vote went

1\. Labor
2\. Greens
3\. Socialist Alliance
4\. Liberal
5\. Family First (aka Nazi Party)

 

[Kul]

sometimes i don't know how we are friends kaiser
seriously, go back to your hash-cookies and basket weaving whilst us mature Liberal voters get on with running the country

***runs and hides***

:laughing:

 

[Geo]

I'm stupid cub… my vote went

1\. Labor
2\. Greens
3\. Socialist Alliance
4\. Liberal
5\. Family First (aka Nazi Party)

Crap ….....I put Family first 2nd....I liked the guys bow tie....

Nazi Party you say......Can i change my vote....... 😕

 

[alien]

If the GG's role is compromised, should the Queen make the call?

And how is this for ridiculous - when something goes past the GG and to the Queen, she makes her decision based on the advise of the current PM lol. So there goes that option.

And I hate the royal family. I don't want any of them idiots having anything to do with it.

 

[hammertime]

I'm worried that now the Greens now control the balance of power in both the Senate and House of Reps. I can't believe people can be that stupid to vote for them. Their thought process is; 'stuff the big two parties, I'm voting for the Greens', but it just ends up going to Labor. There was about 8 to 9 seats where the Libs got a better primary vote, but the Greens then assisted Labor in winning the seat i.e. Reid. They are a threat to our economy, big businesses, small businesses and the mining industry. And now they want gay marriage, as Abbott rightly put it 'there are many great gay relationships', that's as far as it needs to go. They also want a 50% tax on mining, raise income tax and put a 50% on people earning over $1m and a DEATH tax! What planet are they living on!

Well said Cub. Their policies are insanely destructive. They want to completely annihilate Uranium and Coal. Raise the dole, raise business tax rates and capital gains tax. Massively increase Foreign Aid. Give the Indigenous population massive land rights. Subsidize Childcare completely. Get rid of private hospitals…. and that's just the start.

In one foul swoop, they would drive the Australian economy into severe recession. Their policies are just idealistic. It's like they have got some butchers paper and jotted down every PC idea without going through the consequences or costs.

 

[alien]

Surely the independents should make their votes towards who polled 2nd in their electorate. They should listen to the people that got them there.

Coincidentally, that would leave us with a Liberal Government… :wahoo:

Not sure if you are being serious or not. So long as they don't join either party's government they can do what they want. They are independent after all.

They can do what they want but if they back Labor when the Liberals got way more of the second vote then there will probably be a backlash against the Independents in those seats in the next federal election. If the Independents want to win that seat next election they would do well to listen to the people and back the Coalition.

 

[alien]

but but who cares about the economy??? the greens would bring love back to the nation LOL

 

[BRET]

Whoever the independants choose you would think they would take into consideration what the results were in their electorates. Apparently the Coalition faired better than labor and they may have some disgruntled people unhappy that they have allied with the enemy.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Surely the independents should make their votes towards who polled 2nd in their electorate. They should listen to the people that got them there.

Coincidentally, that would leave us with a Liberal Government… :wahoo:

Not sure if you are being serious or not. So long as they don't join either party's government they can do what they want. They are independent after all.

Completely serious. Labor had a vote of ONLY 6% in one of the independents electorates. Surely if they were from a National party background and the Liberals still carry a decent First preference percentage, then they should be voting on their people's voice, not their own agenda.

One method is democratic, the other borders on communism.

Hammer, If the people in said electorate wanted their Independent to represent Coalition policy, they would have simply elected a Liberal or National. The people elected an Independent to represent whatever he stood for.

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

but but who cares about the economy??? the greens would bring love back to the nation LOL

ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE!

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

sometimes i don't know how we are friends kaiser
seriously, go back to your hash-cookies and basket weaving whilst us mature Liberal voters get on with running the country

***runs and hides***

Footy is a far stronger bond than political preferences and religion my friend lol

Sounds good to me… I'll have all the fun while you guys stress over something irrelevant like 'money' hahaha

 

[citizen_cub]

I'm worried that now the Greens now control the balance of power in both the Senate and House of Reps. I can't believe people can be that stupid to vote for them. Their thought process is; 'stuff the big two parties, I'm voting for the Greens', but it just ends up going to Labor. There was about 8 to 9 seats where the Libs got a better primary vote, but the Greens then assisted Labor in winning the seat i.e. Reid. They are a threat to our economy, big businesses, small businesses and the mining industry. And now they want gay marriage, as Abbott rightly put it 'there are many great gay relationships', that's as far as it needs to go. They also want a 50% tax on mining, raise income tax and put a 50% on people earning over $1m and a DEATH tax! What planet are they living on!

Well said Cub. Their policies are insanely destructive. They want to completely annihilate Uranium and Coal. Raise the dole, raise business tax rates and capital gains tax. Massively increase Foreign Aid. Give the Indigenous population massive land rights. Subsidize Childcare completely. Get rid of private hospitals…. and that's just the start.

In one foul swoop, they would drive the Australian economy into severe recession. Their policies are just idealistic. It's like they have got some butchers paper and jotted down every PC idea without going through the consequences or costs.

Also forgot to mention, they'd weaken our borders even more than Labor have. As Barnaby Joyce said a few weeks ago, we'd have refugees walking through supermarkets bare-footed if the Greens had their way. Lol, love Barnaby :laughing: And then we have a Carbon Tax where all coal fired power stations are closed down, 80% of the electricity we rely on is gone and electricity prices rise yet again. And to this day, we haven't been told what our primary energy source will be if this tax is introduced. People always used to question Howard's ability to keep inflation and cost of living under control (including Rudd), under the Labor Government, it's only got worse.