Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[system]

You don't need to do it but it is the easy digest version, the only version the Australian public swallows.

If you really wanted to draw it out you would point out that the Coalition is shifting its focus and policy away from fiscal responsibility and small yet effective government to policies resembling the religious right faction of the US Republican Party and at that point draw the comparison chart of where those policies have led the US over the last decade right through to the obstructionist, no policy opposition governance.

But the public attention span doesn't stretch more than a 7 minute ACA segment most of the time so nuance is certainly not a luxury. Well that and the fact I have my doubts whether even half of either front bench would be capable of proper debate

The truly sad thing about all of this is that if we head into the next election as Abbott v Gillard the greater electorate is actually stupid enough for us to see another spike in Green party votes, further de-stabilising the country away from the centre (where effective governance occurs) to pandering further to to lunatic fringes

 

[happy_tiger]

Unbelievable folks, Kev Rudds cornerman has stopped the bleeding and is sending Kev back out for another round. Stick and move Kev, stick and move, keep that left hand up and watch for the suckerpunch and the overhand right from the faceless men. lol

Suppose the big difference is a least Kev will see the overhand right coming this time but it will knock him out again I reckon

 

[Yossarian]

hahaha listen to Rudd dribbling on…..

Half his speech is about beating Abbott. Very little about beating the coalition.

Play the ball not the man Cruddy

And yet another jibe about the coalition's lack of hard 'policy'. One of Labor's favourites, sure to pop up in every interview, along with the predictable slur about Abbott's negativity.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Policies.aspx

Perhaps Labor need some lessons in web navigation?

Well yeah cause there's so much detail…

http://www.liberal.org.au/~/media/Files/Policies%20and%20Media/National%20Security/Border%20Protection%20A4%20Coalition%20policy%20%20Web%20Version.ashx

 

[tomcat]

Unbelievable folks, Kev Rudds cornerman has stopped the bleeding and is sending Kev back out for another round. Stick and move Kev, stick and move, keep that left hand up and watch for the suckerpunch and the overhand right from the faceless men. lol

Suppose the big difference is a least Kev will see the overhand right coming this time but it will knock him out again I reckon

LOL

 

[tomcat]

Rudd will lose in a landslide. The voters want the Milky Bar Kid, backbenchers want the bogan.
The "world's worst treasurer" keeps backing the bogan witch.

Rudd will remain on the backbench, hoping that one day, his party will like him again and he hopes he can convince them he's changed from the person who never listened to anyone. But will work over the media with the 'under-dog' Aussie Battler tag. When they lose the next election, the saviour will be the Milky Bar Kid!

Strategically, it would be the best thing for labour. Strategically…....
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But the most interesting scenario would be if Rudd left parliament and a by-election is called. One less seat. Or become an Independant lol.

The whole shambles should be brought to a halt by the GG right now, as this is preventing any serious government running Australia. But being Shorten's mother-in-law, she will do nothing.

Rudd is like the gift that keeps giving!

That sour faced red haired commie dimwitted bogan [This word has been automatically removed] is gone!
Did I miss any adjectives? Her days are numbered, whether next week or at the next election.

LOL The lodge will have to be professionally steam cleaned , a priest will have to be called in to perform an Exorcisim before the Hon Mr Abbott takes up residence by Xmas. What a scary senario. Time for Turnball to knife Abbot.... NOW!

 

[hammertime]

hahaha listen to Rudd dribbling on…..

Half his speech is about beating Abbott. Very little about beating the coalition.

Play the ball not the man Cruddy

And yet another jibe about the coalition's lack of hard 'policy'. One of Labor's favourites, sure to pop up in every interview, along with the predictable slur about Abbott's negativity.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Policies.aspx

Perhaps Labor need some lessons in web navigation?

Well yeah cause there's so much detail…

http://www.liberal.org.au/~/media/Files/Policies%20and%20Media/National%20Security/Border%20Protection%20A4%20Coalition%20policy%20%20Web%20Version.ashx

Considering people don't even bother typing a few words into google, I don't blame them for putting it in dot points.

KRudd ran on the smell of an oily rag against Howard!! He copied policies, then added he would get rid of Work Choices and appolgise to the stolen generation. I'm sure I could condense that to even less dot points than the above link.

**OPPOSITION CANNOT COST POLICIES OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT - UNLESS THEY GO TO THIRD PARTY FIRMS AND USE THEIR PARTY RESERVES.**

It frustrates me that people do not know this. Parties need to run in opposition on vision only, until an election is called. It then goes into caretaker mode and they can cost them. There are a tonne of decisions you cannot make without knowing the financial implications. To do so would be absolutely reckless. Nor do they want to release their good ideas early and just have the opposition implement them.

Come on Yoss, surely you can't be that rusted on? The government of this country is and absolute disgrace. God knows how they ruined this country with the way it was left to them.

 

[tomcat]

hahaha listen to Rudd dribbling on…..

Half his speech is about beating Abbott. Very little about beating the coalition.

Play the ball not the man Cruddy

And yet another jibe about the coalition's lack of hard 'policy'. One of Labor's favourites, sure to pop up in every interview, along with the predictable slur about Abbott's negativity.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Policies.aspx

Perhaps Labor need some lessons in web navigation?

The Weststigers forum members could do a better job running the country than that Ranga
Well yeah cause there's so much detail…

http://www.liberal.org.au/~/media/Files/Policies%20and%20Media/National%20Security/Border%20Protection%20A4%20Coalition%20policy%20%20Web%20Version.ashx

Considering people don't even bother typing a few words into google, I don't blame them for putting it in dot points.

KRudd ran on the smell of an oily rag against Howard!! He copied policies, then added he would get rid of Work Choices and appolgise to the stolen generation. I'm sure I could condense that to even less dot points than the above link.

**OPPOSITION CANNOT COST POLICIES OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT - UNLESS THEY GO TO THIRD PARTY FIRMS AND USE THEIR PARTY RESERVES.**

It frustrates me that people do not know this. Parties need to run in opposition on vision only, until an election is called. It then goes into caretaker mode and they can cost them. There are a tonne of decisions you cannot make without knowing the financial implications. To do so would be absolutely reckless. Nor do they want to release their good ideas early and just have the opposition implement them.

Come on Yoss, surely you can't be that rusted on? The government of this country is and absolute disgrace. God knows how they ruined this country with the way it was left to them.

 

[Yossarian]

hahaha listen to Rudd dribbling on…..

Half his speech is about beating Abbott. Very little about beating the coalition.

Play the ball not the man Cruddy

And yet another jibe about the coalition's lack of hard 'policy'. One of Labor's favourites, sure to pop up in every interview, along with the predictable slur about Abbott's negativity.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Policies.aspx

Perhaps Labor need some lessons in web navigation?

Well yeah cause there's so much detail…

http://www.liberal.org.au/~/media/Files/Policies%20and%20Media/National%20Security/Border%20Protection%20A4%20Coalition%20policy%20%20Web%20Version.ashx

Considering people don't even bother typing a few words into google, I don't blame them for putting it in dot points.

KRudd ran on the smell of an oily rag against Howard!! He copied policies, then added he would get rid of Work Choices and appolgise to the stolen generation. I'm sure I could condense that to even less dot points than the above link.

**OPPOSITION CANNOT COST POLICIES OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT - UNLESS THEY GO TO THIRD PARTY FIRMS AND USE THEIR PARTY RESERVES.**

It frustrates me that people do not know this. Parties need to run in opposition on vision only, until an election is called. It then goes into caretaker mode and they can cost them. There are a tonne of decisions you cannot make without knowing the financial implications. To do so would be absolutely reckless. Nor do they want to release their good ideas early and just have the opposition implement them.

Come on Yoss, surely you can't be that rusted on? The government of this country is and absolute disgrace. God knows how they ruined this country with the way it was left to them.

**You're** saying **I'm** rusted on? :roll

I mean guilty as charged but could be a bit of a pot/kettle thing going on there.

Anyway the costing thing is just a cop out. It's not that hard to work out how much a policy will cost or at least estimate it. Abbott has done so with some things but not others. Sad thing is he doesn't even have some detailed uncosted policies.

Vision? What vision? A few photos and some slogans ain't vision. At least Howard knew what he wanted to do. Dr No only knows what he doesn't want to do.

Seriously this is weak… Don't want to spend their money to cost polices... :unamused: What's more important? Costing your policies or running ads? No wonder public policy in this country has gone to the dogs...

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Does Rudd have the numbers? The way he was talking today, it was almost like he was trying to drum up support for the election. Would he be doing that if he wasn't sure that he'll be the PM at the next election?

i hope he does. I'd love to see Kath gone

 

[happy_tiger]

Does Rudd have the numbers? The way he was talking today, it was almost like he was trying to drum up support for the election. Would he be doing that if he wasn't sure that he'll be the PM at the next election?

i hope he does. I'd love to see Kath gone

GNR I reckon Rudd will be lucky to get 35 votes out of the 103 available

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Does Rudd have the numbers? The way he was talking today, it was almost like he was trying to drum up support for the election. Would he be doing that if he wasn't sure that he'll be the PM at the next election?

i hope he does. I'd love to see Kath gone

GNR I reckon Rudd will be lucky to get 35 votes out of the 103 available

The popular opinion is that he won't have enough so why is he wasting his time?

 

[stryker]

Does Rudd have the numbers? The way he was talking today, it was almost like he was trying to drum up support for the election. Would he be doing that if he wasn't sure that he'll be the PM at the next election?

i hope he does. I'd love to see Kath gone

GNR I reckon Rudd will be lucky to get 35 votes out of the 103 available

The popular opinion is that he won't have enough so why is he wasting his time?

He isnt wasting his time…..

With a normal organisation sure it seems he has little hope....but this is the ALP! Surely people understand them enough by now to realise that there are no difinitives with this mob.

He has been plotting his revenge ever since Gillard cut his throat and I for one believe he has more than one card up his sleeve. Worst case scenario for mine is he just fails but does enough damage for the party to realise Gillard wont make th next election. Someone else will have a shot, win and then Rudd will be free to try again.

...however I have a feeling he will prevail.

 

[hammertime]

And yet another jibe about the coalition's lack of hard 'policy'. One of Labor's favourites, sure to pop up in every interview, along with the predictable slur about Abbott's negativity.

http://www.liberal.org.au/Policies.aspx

Perhaps Labor need some lessons in web navigation?

Well yeah cause there's so much detail…

http://www.liberal.org.au/~/media/Files/Policies%20and%20Media/National%20Security/Border%20Protection%20A4%20Coalition%20policy%20%20Web%20Version.ashx

Considering people don't even bother typing a few words into google, I don't blame them for putting it in dot points.

KRudd ran on the smell of an oily rag against Howard!! He copied policies, then added he would get rid of Work Choices and appolgise to the stolen generation. I'm sure I could condense that to even less dot points than the above link.

**OPPOSITION CANNOT COST POLICIES OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT - UNLESS THEY GO TO THIRD PARTY FIRMS AND USE THEIR PARTY RESERVES.**

It frustrates me that people do not know this. Parties need to run in opposition on vision only, until an election is called. It then goes into caretaker mode and they can cost them. There are a tonne of decisions you cannot make without knowing the financial implications. To do so would be absolutely reckless. Nor do they want to release their good ideas early and just have the opposition implement them.

Come on Yoss, surely you can't be that rusted on? The government of this country is and absolute disgrace. God knows how they ruined this country with the way it was left to them.

**You're** saying **I'm** rusted on? :roll

I mean guilty as charged but could be a bit of a pot/kettle thing going on there.

Anyway the costing thing is just a cop out. It's not that hard to work out how much a policy will cost or at least estimate it. Abbott has done so with some things but not others. Sad thing is he doesn't even have some detailed uncosted policies.

Vision? What vision? A few photos and some slogans ain't vision. At least Howard knew what he wanted to do. Dr No only knows what he doesn't want to do.

Seriously this is weak… Don't want to spend their money to cost polices... :unamused: What's more important? Costing your policies or running ads? No wonder public policy in this country has gone to the dogs...

This is going to blow your mind yoss - but I actually voted for Rudd. Now, I have no idea why. It has to be the most inept government I have ever seen. From leadership through to execution. These guys couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag!!

For me, I don't care that Abbott is a little crazy, I know policies or not, he isnt going to waste my hard earned money. He also has a great team of qualified professional people behind him… Yes, I underline that word... Qualified.

No government I have ever seen has announced policy requiring coatings this far out. Ever. Why would they? It sickens me that not only the public are not understanding of it, but the government still trots out the line when they were guilty of the same!

The job of opposition is to keep government honest and to pounce when they mess up. A good government gives the opposition no fuel, it's as simple as that. It is amazing how much this government have messed up. They seriously have got more things wrong than right.

 

[Chris]

It's pretty evident Rudd doesn't have the numbers. If I were him, I'd go down in a blaze of glory and bring the whole party down too. Quit the ALP, become an Independent, side with the Libs. Force an election and watch them all fall.

 

[BeeJay]

Rudd seems to have the popular vote in most media polls this morning, wether MP'sreflect that come monday by listening to their electorates is a completely different story.

 

[spearby]

Rudd seems to have the popular vote in most media polls this morning, wether MP'sreflect that come monday by listening to their electorates is a completely different story.

I live in rob dopeshotts electorate he will not listen to us but wait till the next election we have our baseball bats to belt him :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:

 

[stryker]

I hope you kick his arse Spearby…what a clown and showpony that guy is.

 

[happy_tiger]

Rudd seems to have the popular vote in most media polls this morning, wether MP'sreflect that come monday by listening to their electorates is a completely different story.

I think the Labour Caucus thinks that Gillard can take Abbott and they won't need Rudd

 

[hammertime]

I can't believe that the Liberals are holding onto Abbott, they should be SO much further ahead against this lot.

I hope that Turnbull gets into power sometime soon.

 

[happy_tiger]

I'd like to change my opinion I think Rudd may have a lot more support than I originally thought

Albanese has switched camps Thats a biggie