happy_tiger
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Another NRL personality has won a seat in Qld former NRL referee Tim Mander has won a seat also for the LNP
Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here
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happy_tiger
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@stryker said:
Stryker you know the funniest thing about this
Because Labor won't get 10 candidates they are going to have to grovel for a special dispensation to get funding as they aren't classed as a major party anymore
Talk about KARMA :roll
hammertime
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@happy tiger said:
That is incredibly funny!! I hope it wakes to Labor govts around Aus that they can only get away with mismanagement, waste, backroom deals and corruption for so long. We do live in a democratic society and they eventually have to answer to the people who pay their wages and fund their waste.
It's a shame with the 2 house system that we have In NSW that Barry won't have the same mandate until next election.
Well if anyone knows about mismanagement, waste, backroom deals, and a lack of democracy, it's the LNP. Good luck Queensland and get those white shoes polished fast!!
Chadman_s_Ghost
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I've just spent the best part of…a while...reading these posts. Regardless of what side of the political fence you sit on- there are some good arguments found in amongst the half- abusive stuff.
I'll make a few points in...well, point form...because if I don't, I'm sure I'll get to wandering down the lonely path of speculation before too long..
1\. In my opinion, the ethics of each party are in fact the problem we have in politics. They are too extreme. The whole party basis now is- they disagree. With everything. Get me a party that aims to save as much as possible, while supporting the needy & providing basics to all- if you can get a patry to have this ideal- you get my vote.
2\. Interesting snippet from the lead-up to the Qld election- Anna Bligh explained the process involved with "Party promises" leading up to an election. Essentially- Liberal/Labor can say "A billion dollars for everyone" as one of their policies. They get voted in- because everyone wants a billion dollars, right? Well, at this point, the now government that made this policy has to get it costed by market representatives to see if it is actually feasable. So get this- you werre promised your billion dollars, you voted them in, and NOW they get it costed to see if it's feasable? Not before you vote for it? Can you see the problem with that? No wonder we have so many broken election promises. How to rectify it? Simple- make each elected government sign a written contract, with date clauses written in, for the implementation of their election promises. You watch the parties pull back on the crappy, un-costed stuff & start focussing on what can ACTUALLY be achieved.
3\. Why, exactly, are we convinced that Tony Abbott is a terrible leader?
4\. Gay Marriage/Civil Unions- whatever you want to call it. In my opinion, this is a topic about beliefs. It's not a political issue. I, personally, don't want any politician telling me if it's right or wrong. Here's a simple, but expensive, idea- referendum. If the majority of Australia are for it, or against it- we get our decision. It's the fairest, and most correct fashion to implement anything involving beliefs. Not sure about you- but in a situation like this- I want to get it right, not have some political party use it as a way to garner votes in upcoming elections.
5\. There is good & bad in nearly every party as far as policy goes. I find it both amusing & disheartening that so many people are either Labor or Liberal people, not policy people. Horses for courses & what not.
6\. The Qld election proved one thing- there is room for a genuine, 3rd political option. Katter's party have several dubious policies, some good ones- but regardless, they garnered pretty good first preference votes. They might not be the best solution (not yet, anyway), but we should encourage, not pick apart, emerging parties & find if we can ever get a genuine option other than the big 2.
I'll make a few points in...well, point form...because if I don't, I'm sure I'll get to wandering down the lonely path of speculation before too long..
1\. In my opinion, the ethics of each party are in fact the problem we have in politics. They are too extreme. The whole party basis now is- they disagree. With everything. Get me a party that aims to save as much as possible, while supporting the needy & providing basics to all- if you can get a patry to have this ideal- you get my vote.
2\. Interesting snippet from the lead-up to the Qld election- Anna Bligh explained the process involved with "Party promises" leading up to an election. Essentially- Liberal/Labor can say "A billion dollars for everyone" as one of their policies. They get voted in- because everyone wants a billion dollars, right? Well, at this point, the now government that made this policy has to get it costed by market representatives to see if it is actually feasable. So get this- you werre promised your billion dollars, you voted them in, and NOW they get it costed to see if it's feasable? Not before you vote for it? Can you see the problem with that? No wonder we have so many broken election promises. How to rectify it? Simple- make each elected government sign a written contract, with date clauses written in, for the implementation of their election promises. You watch the parties pull back on the crappy, un-costed stuff & start focussing on what can ACTUALLY be achieved.
3\. Why, exactly, are we convinced that Tony Abbott is a terrible leader?
4\. Gay Marriage/Civil Unions- whatever you want to call it. In my opinion, this is a topic about beliefs. It's not a political issue. I, personally, don't want any politician telling me if it's right or wrong. Here's a simple, but expensive, idea- referendum. If the majority of Australia are for it, or against it- we get our decision. It's the fairest, and most correct fashion to implement anything involving beliefs. Not sure about you- but in a situation like this- I want to get it right, not have some political party use it as a way to garner votes in upcoming elections.
5\. There is good & bad in nearly every party as far as policy goes. I find it both amusing & disheartening that so many people are either Labor or Liberal people, not policy people. Horses for courses & what not.
6\. The Qld election proved one thing- there is room for a genuine, 3rd political option. Katter's party have several dubious policies, some good ones- but regardless, they garnered pretty good first preference votes. They might not be the best solution (not yet, anyway), but we should encourage, not pick apart, emerging parties & find if we can ever get a genuine option other than the big 2.
Nice post.
Can only disagree with point gay marriage point. We cant have a referendum on gay marriage as it is not about changing the constitution, but the marriage act.
I think what we need is a plebiscite. From wiki
"Similar to a referendum is a plebiscite, which is conducted by the government to decide a matter relating to ordinary statute law, an advisory question of policy, or as a prelude to the submission of a formal referendum question, rather than a binding and entrenched alteration (amendment) to the Constitution. Plebiscites can offer a variety of options, rather than a simple yes/no question. Three plebiscites have occurred as of 2010\. Unlike in referendums, voting in a plebiscite has traditionally been optional"
Can only disagree with point gay marriage point. We cant have a referendum on gay marriage as it is not about changing the constitution, but the marriage act.
I think what we need is a plebiscite. From wiki
"Similar to a referendum is a plebiscite, which is conducted by the government to decide a matter relating to ordinary statute law, an advisory question of policy, or as a prelude to the submission of a formal referendum question, rather than a binding and entrenched alteration (amendment) to the Constitution. Plebiscites can offer a variety of options, rather than a simple yes/no question. Three plebiscites have occurred as of 2010\. Unlike in referendums, voting in a plebiscite has traditionally been optional"
citizen_cub
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@Yossarian said:
A common response from a cult Labor follower who cannot fathom the magnitude of his party's national disapproval, so he pulls out the scare tactics 3 days into the LNP governing. 6/90 seats for a major political party speaks volume, I'm gathering your having trouble coming to terms with the Labor brand diminishing by the day. Federal Labor's next…
hammertime
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@Yossarian said:
You know yoss, WD40 is good at combating those joints that might be a bit rusted on mate…. Just sayin :laughing:
Balmain_Bobby
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Amazing how all politicians, when discussing controversial policies say " The general Public don't understand" yet when opinion polls show one party way in front, they claim " The Australian people know what's going on ".
Politics is a dirty game, and I man not a racist, so I hate all politicians, because they only think and plan to the next election. The only visionary infrastructure we have had over the last 40 years has been the NBN, however, most low income earners will never benefit from it, only business and medical fascilites.
Most low income earners are facing difficulties with power bills, so will not be able to afford the computers to get the speed of the NBN, so 42 billion +, and it will be a big plus, wasted, and at a time we can ill afford it.
Having that money spent on National Roads, at least would save lives.
My biggest hate is Australians who say " I vote Labor/Liberal, because my father did, and grandfather did "
What sort of moron, cannot arm themselves with enough information to form their own opinion to vote, NOT for Gillard or Abbott, but the party who they feel will do the best job for the nation and it's people.
I had thought, as a race, we had grown a bit, the amount of money spent on education should of ensured that, but left wing politics from a union, not content with controlling thinking in our Universities, have now pervaded our schools, and have for years taught kids their rights, but not their responsibilites, and try hard to take over the parenting role.
After backreading, I think Swordy may have been alluding to the fact all of those mentioned are members of the Fabian Society, a communist/socialist/Marxist think tank.
Julia Gillard was never elected to be prime minister, nor was the labor party, yet formed government with the help of the independents. Bob Carr has never been elected to the Federal Parliament, yet is now our foreign minister.
He was personally responsible for the bankruptcy of NSW, and the decisions which led to 14 years of debt and mismanagment. He presided over the HIH collapse and in 2002, changed Workcover laws at the behest of Insurance Companies who stated they would go broke covering workers comp, the result was 13 young people suicided in the first six months of the new workcover laws, which had condemed them to a lifetime of poverty with little compensation, or means to live, in fact a weekly allowance less than a pension. The assumption was every injured person was a bludger, and they would be forced to find work or a life of poverty. Of course all Poliies have their magnificient Super package tied up in insurance companies, which is another reason why they have not been forced to account for their shocking behaviour over the QLD floods last year. AFter all of this, how did Carr get a run as FM, he stuffed NSW investement so he purchased properties in NZ as a hedge. I hate him, as I hate all politicians who are simply out to feather their own nests. When not under the spotlight, Gillard and Abbott are friends, as are most of them, it's just a game, one that makes them very rich at our expense.
Politics is a dirty game, and I man not a racist, so I hate all politicians, because they only think and plan to the next election. The only visionary infrastructure we have had over the last 40 years has been the NBN, however, most low income earners will never benefit from it, only business and medical fascilites.
Most low income earners are facing difficulties with power bills, so will not be able to afford the computers to get the speed of the NBN, so 42 billion +, and it will be a big plus, wasted, and at a time we can ill afford it.
Having that money spent on National Roads, at least would save lives.
My biggest hate is Australians who say " I vote Labor/Liberal, because my father did, and grandfather did "
What sort of moron, cannot arm themselves with enough information to form their own opinion to vote, NOT for Gillard or Abbott, but the party who they feel will do the best job for the nation and it's people.
I had thought, as a race, we had grown a bit, the amount of money spent on education should of ensured that, but left wing politics from a union, not content with controlling thinking in our Universities, have now pervaded our schools, and have for years taught kids their rights, but not their responsibilites, and try hard to take over the parenting role.
After backreading, I think Swordy may have been alluding to the fact all of those mentioned are members of the Fabian Society, a communist/socialist/Marxist think tank.
Julia Gillard was never elected to be prime minister, nor was the labor party, yet formed government with the help of the independents. Bob Carr has never been elected to the Federal Parliament, yet is now our foreign minister.
He was personally responsible for the bankruptcy of NSW, and the decisions which led to 14 years of debt and mismanagment. He presided over the HIH collapse and in 2002, changed Workcover laws at the behest of Insurance Companies who stated they would go broke covering workers comp, the result was 13 young people suicided in the first six months of the new workcover laws, which had condemed them to a lifetime of poverty with little compensation, or means to live, in fact a weekly allowance less than a pension. The assumption was every injured person was a bludger, and they would be forced to find work or a life of poverty. Of course all Poliies have their magnificient Super package tied up in insurance companies, which is another reason why they have not been forced to account for their shocking behaviour over the QLD floods last year. AFter all of this, how did Carr get a run as FM, he stuffed NSW investement so he purchased properties in NZ as a hedge. I hate him, as I hate all politicians who are simply out to feather their own nests. When not under the spotlight, Gillard and Abbott are friends, as are most of them, it's just a game, one that makes them very rich at our expense.
Chadman_s_Ghost
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Maybe someone can clarify something for me regarding the NBN- I keep hearing how it's great because it will give people in remote areas access to doctors.
Ok, I get that you can sign into your PC & get yourself a connection to a doctor- hey the Labor government even suggested that if local doctors were busy, you could simply hook up to an overseas doctor..
But what if you've broken your leg? Do you log in, open up your chat with the doctor & ask how to pin it? What if you are suffering a heart attack?
What would the cost be to build & staff more regional hospitals, giving residents of remote communities actual access to medical facilities? $48 billion?
Wouldn't it be more cost effective? Supply more jobs? Give people greater medical services?
This argument has constantly baffled me.
For mine, the NBN is what a lot of skeptics say it is- faster connections for gamers etc…
Ok, I get that you can sign into your PC & get yourself a connection to a doctor- hey the Labor government even suggested that if local doctors were busy, you could simply hook up to an overseas doctor..
But what if you've broken your leg? Do you log in, open up your chat with the doctor & ask how to pin it? What if you are suffering a heart attack?
What would the cost be to build & staff more regional hospitals, giving residents of remote communities actual access to medical facilities? $48 billion?
Wouldn't it be more cost effective? Supply more jobs? Give people greater medical services?
This argument has constantly baffled me.
For mine, the NBN is what a lot of skeptics say it is- faster connections for gamers etc…
Chadman_s_Ghost
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"I had thought, as a race, we had grown a bit, the amount of money spent on education should of ensured that, but left wing politics from a union, not content with controlling thinking in our Universities, have now pervaded our schools, and have for years taught kids their rights, but not their responsibilites, and try hard to take over the parenting role."
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Balmain_Bobby
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For mine, the NBN is what a lot of skeptics say it is- faster connections for gamers etc…
And for Banks to play the short term money market in real time. No benefit to Mr & Mrs low income earner, just another way of helping the big end of town, and from a Labor Government, heaven forbid. :laughing:
And for Banks to play the short term money market in real time. No benefit to Mr & Mrs low income earner, just another way of helping the big end of town, and from a Labor Government, heaven forbid. :laughing:
1974semifinal
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me thinks Balmain Bobby votes for Tony Abbott..just like his Dad…
Balmain_Bobby
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You'd think wrong, never knew my father dickhead.
TigerOnFyah
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citizen_cub
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@tigerdan said:
6/90, 7/89, what's your point?
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