Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[stryker]

Craig Emerson. Is he ok?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZboCxbTzHk&feature=related

The bloke is a disgrace making fun of a situation that will have real and potentially devastating consequences for the nation.

 

[Glen_McWilliams]

This is the kind of thing that concerns me more than anything. There will always be opportunists.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-04/brumbys-under-fire-over-carbon-tax-memo/4109424

 

[stryker]

Thats right Glen. I dont care what the ACCC says…there is nothing they can do. Every business will do it...they just wont be as blatant as Brumby's were. I know of a restauranteur who has increased the prices on every item offered. As long as he doesnt admit it is due to the carbon tax, there is fist all anyone can do about it.

Gillard is delusional if she thinks this wont happen.

 

[Glen_McWilliams]

It will be inetersting when the September quarter CPI figures hit my desk to see what impact it has had in the short term.

 

[Winnipeg]

Thats right Glen. I dont care what the ACCC says…there is nothing they can do. Every business will do it...they just wont be as blatant as Brumby's were. I know of a restauranteur who has increased the prices on every item offered. As long as he doesnt admit it is due to the carbon tax, there is fist all anyone can do about it.

Gillard is delusional if she thinks this wont happen.

you've got a pretty low estimation of the business community there. They are all crooks?

what's to stop a company from keeping their prices lower and benefiting from increased sales?

 

[stryker]

Not a low estimation of the business community Winnipeg…I am a part of it myself. I am a realist. I have no doubt that the cost of trade will rise in some form and this will result in all prices rising. Australia is already a hard place to scratch out a living without imposing a new tax...everyone will do it..they have to.

 

[Glen_McWilliams]

Not a low estimation of the business community Winnipeg…I am a part of it myself. I am a realist. I have no doubt that the cost of trade will rise in some form and this will result in all prices rising. **Australia is already a hard place to scratch out a living** without imposing a new tax...everyone will do it..they have to.

Compared to where exactly?

 

[Rambo2714]

Craig Emerson. Is he ok?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZboCxbT … re=related

The bloke is a disgrace making fun of a situation that will have real and potentially devastating consequences for the nation.

He was making fun of stupid theories which suggest that the carbon tax will cause devastation
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[Rambo2714]

Thats right Glen. I dont care what the ACCC says…there is nothing they can do. Every business will do it...they just wont be as blatant as Brumby's were. I know of a restauranteur who has increased the prices on every item offered. As long as he doesnt admit it is due to the carbon tax, there is fist all anyone can do about it.

Gillard is delusional if she thinks this wont happen.

There is something people can do , and that is not buy from that restaurant ! And buy from a cheaper one !

I can assure you that most businesses will be reluctant to raise their prices until they incur cost .

By raising their prices , business's would be giving up Business to thier competitors , which not many businesses will want to do , including mine .
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[Rambo2714]

Not a low estimation of the business community Winnipeg…I am a part of it myself. I am a realist. I have no doubt that the cost of trade will rise in some form and this will result in all prices rising. **Australia is already a hard place to scratch out a living** without imposing a new tax...everyone will do it..they have to.

Compared to where exactly?

Lol out loud , Australia's is one of the easiest places in the world to " scratch out a living "

Lmfao !
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[stryker]

Rubbish. The cost of living in this country is excessive.

 

[Yossarian]

Rubbish. The cost of living in this country is excessive.

That's because the standard of living and wages are high… These things are relative.

 

[happy_tiger]

Rubbish. The cost of living in this country is excessive.

That's because the standard of living and wages are high… These things are relative.

Tell me how you expect a 18-20 to even start working out how they can get a loan for a house in this day and age without parents having to fo guarantor ??

Too much greed from everyone in this country

Every boss wants double digit sales increases and double digit EBITDA Yoss and the only way they can achieve that is by continually robbing the customers with inferior products and higher prices

 

[Yossarian]

Rubbish. The cost of living in this country is excessive.

That's because the standard of living and wages are high… These things are relative.

Tell me how you expect a 18-20 to even start working out how they can get a loan for a house in this day and age without parents having to fo guarantor ??

Too much greed from everyone in this country

Every boss wants double digit sales increases and double digit EBITDA Yoss and the only way they can achieve that is by continually robbing the customers with inferior products and higher prices

It's not the government's fault that housing prices are so high. Interest rates are very low. In fact all of these issues have been around for some time.

I really think relative to what's going on OS people don't have too much to complain about in Australia. Interest rates are low, inflation is low, the dollar is above parity, growth is good.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

The real driver of potential increased prices due to the Carbon Tax will be transport companies. They've already been identified as an industry that will get slugged the direct Carbon Tax, but they also incur the increased petrol price as well.

And when you think that there is anywhere from 10-100 different transport related processes throughout the manufacturing of any one product- each transport company only has to raise it's price by 1c & you'll feel the effect as an end user. One poster earlier pointed out that businesses will be reluctant to raise their prices out of fear of losing trade- that's all well & good in the short term, but that won't last. Rising costs due to transport, electricity, petrol & rates will have to get passed down to the consumer, or these businessess will just continue to go backwards.

Coles & Woolies haven't raised their prices- yet. They have both committed to not increasing prices for, from memory, 3 weeks post-Carbon Tax. But they are like any business- at least, any successful business- they won't absorb increased costs- they will pass them down.

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Craig Emerson's theatrics were embarrassing as well as disgraceful. Is this what we pay our National politicians to do? Anyone a betting man here? What odds he ends up tossed out at the next election?

Don't get me wrong though- the LNP are not offering much better options. That said, by not installing a 'penalty tax' on manufacturing, they'll romp in the next election.

Figures showing a strong Australian economy are very fragile. While stats tell us that jobs are increasing, and the dollar is strong, we see how many big businessess closing their doors of late? Darrell Lea, JB Hi-Fi etc, etc. Manufacturing & retail are getting smashed while the mining sector gets stronger. The strong Australian dollar is crippling our export industries away from mining. So we essentially have one strong industry driving our economy, which is great, in a way. But now that industry gets slugged at Carbon tax, as well as the mining tax- and that industry starts to look a little less appealing to the money-men that run them. If mining slows down- what industry, exactly, keeps Australia strong?

Believe it or not- Katters Australia Party put forward a good idea- putting a financial peg on the Aussie dollar, the same way Finland & I believe it was Sweden have done, essentially keeping the value of the dollar at, say, 80c American- this makes our exports better value, increases manufacturing in Australia & makes imports more expensive- which in effect then makes Australian made products more affordable in comparison.

The problem with that idea is that it's…well, an 'idea'- and our party's of power don't like putting forward ideas, only disagreeing with eachother..

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The real driver of potential increased prices due to the Carbon Tax will be transport companies. They've already been identified as an industry that will get slugged the direct Carbon Tax, but they also incur the increased petrol price as well.

And when you think that there is anywhere from 10-100 different transport related processes throughout the manufacturing of any one product- each transport company only has to raise it's price by 1c & you'll feel the effect as an end user. One poster earlier pointed out that businesses will be reluctant to raise their prices out of fear of losing trade- that's all well & good in the short term, but that won't last. Rising costs due to transport, electricity, petrol & rates will have to get passed down to the consumer, or these businessess will just continue to go backwards.

Coles & Woolies haven't raised their prices- yet. They have both committed to not increasing prices for, from memory, 3 weeks post-Carbon Tax. But they are like any business- at least, any successful business- they won't absorb increased costs- they will pass them down.

Or instead of screwing the customer, they'll hold their prices and screw the suppliers and farmers. It's a no win situation. Wouldn't put it past Woolies or Coles to go both ways and profiteer from it.

 

[happy_tiger]

Rubbish. The cost of living in this country is excessive.

That's because the standard of living and wages are high… These things are relative.

Tell me how you expect a 18-20 to even start working out how they can get a loan for a house in this day and age without parents having to fo guarantor ??

Too much greed from everyone in this country

Every boss wants double digit sales increases and double digit EBITDA Yoss and the only way they can achieve that is by continually robbing the customers with inferior products and higher prices

It's not the government's fault that housing prices are so high. Interest rates are very low. In fact all of these issues have been around for some time.

I really think relative to what's going on OS people don't have too much to complain about in Australia. Interest rates are low, inflation is low, the dollar is above parity, growth is good.

Unless you are earning 70-80k a year our youth have lots to complain about Yoss . Even finding rental accomodation is hard , thats if they will even rent it out to you

The youth can't even afford to live in Gladstone Yoss

Rental prices are ridiculous seeing what services are available The Govt and LNG have promised everything to help but nothing so far

That is the problem with Labour Lets get the work no matter what (environmental ,infrastructure,services) and screw the local communities that are affected who will be their for the long haul
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Greed ,Greed Greed

 

[Winnipeg]

The real driver of potential increased prices due to the Carbon Tax will be transport companies. They've already been identified as an industry that will get slugged the direct Carbon Tax, but they also incur the increased petrol price as well.

petrol is not subject to the carbon tax

Treasury has forecast that the average batch of groceries will go up by less than a dollar. A bottle of milk up by 2c, a loaf of bread up by 2c, etc. They were right about the GST, why would they be wrong about this. 0.7% rise in the CPI.

if anyone can report any significant price rises from the start of July then they should do so, but until it happens it really sounds like hysterical doomsaying and nothing more. Either that or just parroting the Liberal anti Juliar line

again I'm interested to know, if these price rises do not eventuate, will people view it as a good policy, or find something else to whinge about it?

 

[Winnipeg]

The youth can't even afford to live in Gladstone Yoss

Rental prices are ridiculous seeing what services are available The Govt and LNG have promised everything to help but nothing so far

That is the problem with Labour Lets get the work no matter what (environmental ,infrastructure,services) and screw the local communities that are affected who will be their for the long haul
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Greed ,Greed Greed

I don't see what this has to do with Labor at all. Is Campbell Newman shutting down the Queensland LNG industry? Will Tony Abbott?