Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Citizen_Tiger]

1\. Abbott is a privileged elitist :
"Abbott attended primary school at St Aloysius' College at Milson's Point, before completing his secondary school education at St Ignatius' College, Riverview in Sydney (both are Jesuit schools)"
Yes that makes him privileged

2\. He was born into reasonable wealth

3\. He is an extremist roman catholic
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You think every kid that goes to a GPS school comes from a wealthy background? You know nothing

'born into reasonable wealth' What, his parents came to Australia under the Assisted Passage Scheme and they were wealthy? lol

An extremist Catholic? What, someone that's not afraid to admit to a little faith offends the fashionable anti Religion brigade? pffft

Mate, he's got more balls than the entire Labor caucus put together. The bloke has worked hard, played grade Rugby, competes in triathlons, is a member of his local Bushfire Brigade, is highly educated and has a wonderful, balanced family. I can understand how all of that offends lazy Labor losers, most of whom will never achieve anything in their relentlessly dull and negative lives, but that's life when your best role models are lightweight Labor front benchers

 

[Rambo2714]

No substance at all

Would you care to qualify your claims ?

Your view claims amount to a different preference
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All of this has been spoken about in this forum before but heres a couple of points in case you missed them….

#1 Claimed she was not contending the leadership in May 2010 all the while manouvering herself to usurp Rudd through backroom deals and meetings. Essentially stole the prime ministership robbing Australians the chance to democratically vote in its first female leader.

#2 Went to the 2010 election promising voters there would be no carbon tax under her leadership. Was voted in on this premise. Pre the election claimed she would set up a citizens assembly to examine evidence on climate change which was never implemented. Post election and the forming of the minority government with the greens and independants, replaced this with a climate change panel and introduced pricing on carbon. During the 'no carbon tax' rallies, claimed she was not invited to speak and offer her side of the story. This was unanimously refuted by the organisers including Chris Johnson of the consumers and tax payers association.

#3 She instructed her MP's to deny they are in a power sharing deal with the greens - she instructed them to lie.

#4 Boasted that EVERY reputable climate scientist globally backed her stance on climate change. This was later refuted by her lap dog Tim Flannery who admitted that several prominant scientists did in fact disagree quoting the very reputable Richard Lynson to be among them.

#5 Has been caught out in lie upon lie involving the AWU scandal of 1995 during which her boyfriend Bruce Wilson allegedly ripped off $1 million from the union and funnelled the funds through a members welfare association account that Julia setup for him when she was a lawyer.

#6 When Julian Assange first came to attention through wikileaks, she claimed he had broken the law and referred the matter to the AFP. When questioned about this, her and McClelland - although maintaning the acts were illegal have yet to produce any laws that were breached...in fact they themselves may have breached laws pertaining to false charges. Assange mentioned the possibility of of suing or having them charged in retalliation with treason!

#7 She embarrassed Australia by lecturing the world at the G20 in Mexico about Labor's economic record. Certain countries did not take it well and have retaliated by releasing information such as:
a) This government has presided over the 4 biggest deficits in this nations history
b) We are experiencing our highest debt ever
c) We have the 3rd fastest proportionate increase in global public sector debt since 2007 due to the three extensions of our nations credit limit.

#8 Isnt just attacking the mining industry through mineral resource rent taxes (which she claims will raise $12 billion dollars next financial year...even though mining operations are suffering and suspending operations in some locations), but also agriculture and forrestry.
#8a - Fishing = She is actively trying to shut down commercial fishing in this country even though our mere 30 kilograms of fish per square kilometer of our ocean territory pales in comparison to the global average of 755 kilograms! As a result, we import greater than 70% of our seafood.
#8b - Live cattle exports = Through her governments knee jerk reaction to a 4 corners story, they banned live cattle exports for 2 months - almost crippling the industry in the top end and resulting in a pending class action against the government for significant loss of earnings.
#8c - Sustainable logging = Claims it is against humanities interests yet allows us to import more than $2 billion worth of wood /timber products annually.
#8d - Irrigation = Claims Murray-Darling scheme is evil yet has no problem with subsidised European food.

#9 Lied about her parties committment to Andrew Wilkies pre-committment technology for poker machines. Essentially she promissed him the world to secure his vote but when she noted public opinion was divided, she hatched a plan to steal another parliamentary vote from the Coalition with the appointment of Slipper as speaker. This meant she didnt necessarily need Wilkies vote anymore and quickly renegged on her deal with him. This was brilliant political strategy...but what exactly did it do for the country? Absolutely nothing.

#10 As I stated earlier, she was involved in all of Labors mismanaged policies at the highest level including:
- the NBN rollout which is currently blowing out to $37 billion worth of costings and climbing despite very few takeups,
- the BER scam which cost us north of $16 Billion and saw very little return for investment as every greedy developer made a fortune,
- the home insulation programme which cost us $1 Billion and caused havoc with every shonk getting their fingers in the till. This has so far cost us a further $1.5 Billion to rectify the damage done with no end in sight,
- the flat out lie that a deal had been completed with the East Timorese government to take our assylum seekers for processing which was refuted by its president,
- the Malaysian immigration deal which the high court of Australia found to be in contravention of human rights conditions. She is currently trying to change the migration ACT to proceed with this despite having cheaper and more humane alternatives available to her all along.
- the implementation of a national flood levy to counteract the QLD Labor governments neglect with regards to the insurance of the states public infrastructure
- and many others including grocery watch, fuel watch, set top boxes, cash handouts, smart meters.....

#11 She is taking credit for the paid parental leave scheme despite being in opposition to it when she was the deputy leader

#12 She is in favour of censorship with examples being the blackmaling of the media over the aforementioned AWU scandals and government internet filtering

#13 She has proven herself to be a spineless leader in relation to the Craig thomson and Peter Slipper affairs.

#14 She constantly plays the man not the policy with regards to the opposition. Two classic examples are the Australia day fiasco where she whipped the protesting aboriginals into a frenzy by claiming Abbott was making policy claims that he did not, resulting in both of them being attacked and her continued portrayal of Abbott as a woman hater, despite the fact he has 3 sisters, 3 daughters and high level female staffers.

Whilst I agree she has copped a lot during her tenure, none of it has come because she is a woman. It has mostly come from her being an in-effective leader, a poor manger of policy and a decietful human being.

So again Macdougal and Rambo, I state that she will not be looked back upon fondly when her time is over. You could write a book now about her failures...if she somehow managed another term, a trilogy might be in order to fit everything in.

All of your facts are skewed , ALL.
You lack credibility
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[happy_tiger]

Rambo ,you'd know a little bit about skewed facts

Remember posting a BS score during a Cowboys v Tigers NYC game on the 16th of July 2011

 

[stryker]

I've gotta congratulate you on typing that all out, I don't think I'd have the energy

But it's a fairly one sided look at things wouldn't you admit? can you think of any good things she's done stryker?

also could you clarify the following points

- what lies she has told about the AWU scandal
- what she said to the crowd to 'whip the protesting aboriginals into a frenzy' on Australia Day

Yes it is one sided mate but it was in response to an earlier post.

There are some things about the PM that I do admire. She is dogged, determined, has a thick skin and is the complete political animal. She is also very smart and has very few rivals when it comes to a debate. Her term has come up with quite a few policies that on paper could have seen great results and if implemented properly and managed throughout could have been successful.

However that is where my praise ends. It is in particular the 'political animal' in her that whilst on the surface I admire, the majority of the time I detest. On one hand she is a survivor and that is note worthy…at the same time she puts herself above her party, her supporters and most importantly the country. This is what I loathe about her.

Yesterday her credibility was put on the line and she was left with no alternative. She couldnt continue to support Slipper...but she did. She stuck up for him under unbelievable circumstances and deflected the whole situation to Abbott in a 15 minute rant that has been broadcast around the globe. Some of what she said about Abbott was true, a lot of it was exaggerated rhetoric. She appeared ferocious and showed the spine of a true leader...except she didnt. She had the opportunity to stand up for all women and sack Slipper which although would weaken her power in the house of reps, would also leave her in great standing to continue her misogynistic attacks on Abbott. She tried to have it both ways and come off looking like a huge hypocrite. She once again failed to show true leadership.

Now to answer your questions as I see them.

#1 _what lies she has told about the AWU scandal_ I am referring to the AWU fraud scandal of 1995 when Gillard was a lawyer at Slater & Gordon. The facts are that she set up an association that was used by Bruce Wilson and Ralph Blewitt to funnel fraudulently gained money through. When asked why she set this account up these were her answers:

(a) Former Slater & Gordon partner Nick Styant-Browne says that in an interview that was set up by Slater and Gordon in 1995 to investigate the fraud which was recorded and transcribed that Julia Gillard said that she ”understood the purpose of the association was to hold re-election funds for union officials - she stated it was referred to as a re-election fund or slush fund”.

(b) In a 2GB interview in 2011, Michael Smith stated that he has a copy of the original form used to set up the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association. He said words to the effect that he has had a hand writing expert look at it and it is highly likely that is has Julia Gillard’s hand writing on it and the reason for setting up the association says on the form ”development of changes to work to achieve safe workplaces”.

(c) If these two things arent contradictory enough, in November 2007 Glenn Milne interviewed Julia Gillard just before the federal election which was held on the 24 November 2007\. In that interview it says “As a solicitor acting on instructions, she set up an association later used by her lover to defraud the Australian Workers Union (AWU). But she has strenuously denied ever knowing what the association’s bank accounts were used for.”

3 different accounts, 3 different stories and she continues to say that it happened 17 years ago and is no longer relevant as she was young and naive back then!

#2 _what she said to the crowd to 'whip the protesting aboriginals into a frenzy' on Australia Day_
Although this has mostly been swept under the rug, I have no doubt that she played some part in the events that afternoon. Her media adviser Tony Hodges and Unions ACT secretary Kim Sattler had both spoken to tent embassy founder Michael Anderson and had told him the prime ministers office would like him to know that "Tony Abbott is in the coffe shop talking to the press about closing down the Aboriginal tent embassy" and to let everyone know. Word was released through a rep named Barbara Shaw and thats when all hell broke loose. The next day Gillard was applauded for her calm demeanour whilst Abbott made fun of for pussying out. Understandable reactions when one knew and the other didnt dont you think? Gillard joined in attacking Abbott for the next few days until all the above came out and then she went very, very quiet.

 

[stryker]

All of your facts are skewed , ALL.
You lack credibility
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No Rambo, these are my opinions that are based around a core of facts that are readily available to everyone. If you want to debate them, do some research and come back with something more than "you have no credibility" that is a pussy's argument.

 

[Yossarian]

Stryker ,You are just being sexist mate

That is not a logical argument :unamused:

Actually mate should keep the Labor whingers quiet for a while

I think most of us were like Winnipeg - just too much to reply too in one sitting!!

So Stryker's whinging Yoss , I reckon he was calling a spade a spade

Notice how none of the Labor lovers are disputing the facts ,just crying in their Latte's that we are picking on Julia and her incompetent party

Oh sorry , not Swan he is the world's greatest treasurer of course :laughing:

That's not what I'm saying - I didn't mean it negatively. Just saying it is a lot to take in during a work day!
You got the last line right though.

 

[Yossarian]

I've gotta congratulate you on typing that all out, I don't think I'd have the energy

But it's a fairly one sided look at things wouldn't you admit? can you think of any good things she's done stryker?

also could you clarify the following points

- what lies she has told about the AWU scandal
- what she said to the crowd to 'whip the protesting aboriginals into a frenzy' on Australia Day

Yes it is one sided mate but it was in response to an earlier post.

There are some things about the PM that I do admire. She is dogged, determined, has a thick skin and is the complete political animal. She is also very smart and has very few rivals when it comes to a debate. Her term has come up with quite a few policies that on paper could have seen great results and if implemented properly and managed throughout could have been successful.

However that is where my praise ends. It is in particular the 'political animal' in her that whilst on the surface I admire, the majority of the time I detest. On one hand she is a survivor and that is note worthy…at the same time she puts herself above her party, her supporters and most importantly the country. This is what I loathe about her.

Yesterday her credibility was put on the line and she was left with no alternative. She couldnt continue to support Slipper...but she did. She stuck up for him under unbelievable circumstances and deflected the whole situation to Abbott in a 15 minute rant that has been broadcast around the globe. Some of what she said about Abbott was true, a lot of it was exaggerated rhetoric. She appeared ferocious and showed the spine of a true leader...except she didnt. She had the opportunity to stand up for all women and sack Slipper which although would weaken her power in the house of reps, would also leave her in great standing to continue her misogynistic attacks on Abbott. She tried to have it both ways and come off looking like a huge hypocrite. She once again failed to show true leadership.

Now to answer your questions as I see them.

#1 _what lies she has told about the AWU scandal_ I am referring to the AWU fraud scandal of 1995 when Gillard was a lawyer at Slater & Gordon. The facts are that she set up an association that was used by Bruce Wilson and Ralph Blewitt to funnel fraudulently gained money through. When asked why she set this account up these were her answers:

(a) Former Slater & Gordon partner Nick Styant-Browne says that in an interview that was set up by Slater and Gordon in 1995 to investigate the fraud which was recorded and transcribed that Julia Gillard said that she ”understood the purpose of the association was to hold re-election funds for union officials - she stated it was referred to as a re-election fund or slush fund”.

(b) In a 2GB interview in 2011, Michael Smith stated that he has a copy of the original form used to set up the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association. He said words to the effect that he has had a hand writing expert look at it and it is highly likely that is has Julia Gillard’s hand writing on it and the reason for setting up the association says on the form ”development of changes to work to achieve safe workplaces”.

(c) If these two things arent contradictory enough, in November 2007 Glenn Milne interviewed Julia Gillard just before the federal election which was held on the 24 November 2007\. In that interview it says “As a solicitor acting on instructions, she set up an association later used by her lover to defraud the Australian Workers Union (AWU). But she has strenuously denied ever knowing what the association’s bank accounts were used for.”

3 different accounts, 3 different stories and she continues to say that it happened 17 years ago and is no longer relevant as she was young and naive back then!

#2 _what she said to the crowd to 'whip the protesting aboriginals into a frenzy' on Australia Day_
Although this has mostly been swept under the rug, I have no doubt that she played some part in the events that afternoon. Her media adviser Tony Hodges and Unions ACT secretary Kim Sattler had both spoken to tent embassy founder Michael Anderson and had told him the prime ministers office would like him to know that "Tony Abbott is in the coffe shop talking to the press about closing down the Aboriginal tent embassy" and to let everyone know. Word was released through a rep named Barbara Shaw and thats when all hell broke loose. The next day Gillard was applauded for her calm demeanour whilst Abbott made fun of for pussying out. Understandable reactions when one knew and the other didnt dont you think? Gillard joined in attacking Abbott for the next few days until all the above came out and then she went very, very quiet.

Well it's not really her fault others have different memories/versions of what happened at the AWU - Gillard herself has been pretty consistent and since the presser she did, Abbott hasn't asked a single question about the matter. Nobody has seriously claimed she did anything illegal. Slater & Gordon are a union law firm - I'm sure stuff happened off the books all the time back then. All this is as useful as bringing up comments Gillard or Abbott for that matter said at uni 30+ years ago.

Your commentary on the second part doesn't really say what if anything she said to the crowd. Others may have but I'm not seeing anywhere that JG did. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[happy_tiger]

Here we go :unamused:

Yoss and his Swan is a better treasurer than Costello was again argument

Most Labor supporters I know won't even go there

Got to give you this Yoss , your a brave man taking that argument up again :deadhorse:

 

[Yossarian]

Here we go :unamused:

Yoss and his Swan is a better treasurer than Costello was again argument

Most Labor supporters I know won't even go there

Got to give you this Yoss , your a brave man taking that argument up again :deadhorse:

Mate it's not me, I'm just repeating what reputable business magazines say about the man…

 

[Rambo2714]

Rambo ,you'd know a little bit about skewed facts

Remember posting a BS score during a Cowboys v Tigers NYC game on the 16th of July 2011

I am sorry for that .
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[Rambo2714]

Rambo ,you'd know a little bit about skewed facts

Remember posting a BS score during a Cowboys v Tigers NYC game on the 16th of July 2011

I am sorry for that .
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I just done what Howard could not do lol
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[Flippedy]

Well researched list, Stryker, but I'm sure we could find a comparative list of lies and shonky dealings for some of our more 'illustrious' former leaders and pollies if we looked in the right places. It all comes down to perspective.

 

[stryker]

Well it's not really her fault others have different memories/versions of what happened at the AWU - Gillard herself has been pretty consistent and since the presser she did, Abbott hasn't asked a single question about the matter. Nobody has seriously claimed she did anything illegal. Slater & Gordon are a union law firm - I'm sure stuff happened off the books all the time back then. All this is as useful as bringing up comments Gillard or Abbott for that matter said at uni 30+ years ago.

Your commentary on the second part doesn't really say what if anything she said to the crowd. Others may have but I'm not seeing anywhere that JG did. Correct me if I'm wrong.

No that is not correct.

SHE is on the record in 1995 twice. In a recorded interview with Slater & Gordon she said the account was for a slush fund. However the form she filled out stated the account was for workplace safety reforms. Then in 2007 she is again on the record stating she has no idea whatsoever what that account was for. These are not other peoples accounts. They are from the horses mouth. She has lied at least twice here…my money is on all 3 times.

I know you think I bash unions and I can cop that. I think they are putrid, useless organisations. However the fact that I am concerned about peoples money being stolen and you are not screams pages worth....others are also very interested and have not dropped this issue at all.

I mispoke before on the other point. She didnt directly stir that crowd up. However the orders came from her office and a reasonable person could easily conclude that she had a hand in it. Otherwise she has no idea what is going on inside her own office which is even worse...your pick.

 

[stryker]

Well researched list, Stryker, but I'm sure we could find a comparative list of lies and shonky dealings for some of our more 'illustrious' former leaders and pollies if we looked in the right places. It all comes down to perspective.

Yeah i have no doubt, however this was all in response to a claim that the public will look back on her parliamentry terms in a favourable way and I certainly think this is all but impossible. She cant bribe her way out anymore…people are awake to her.

 

[Yossarian]

Well it's not really her fault others have different memories/versions of what happened at the AWU - Gillard herself has been pretty consistent and since the presser she did, Abbott hasn't asked a single question about the matter. Nobody has seriously claimed she did anything illegal. Slater & Gordon are a union law firm - I'm sure stuff happened off the books all the time back then. All this is as useful as bringing up comments Gillard or Abbott for that matter said at uni 30+ years ago.

Your commentary on the second part doesn't really say what if anything she said to the crowd. Others may have but I'm not seeing anywhere that JG did. Correct me if I'm wrong.

No that is not correct.

SHE is on the record in 1995 twice. In a recorded interview with Slater & Gordon she said the account was for a slush fund. However the form she filled out stated the account was for workplace safety reforms. Then in 2007 she is again on the record stating she has no idea whatsoever what that account was for. These are not other peoples accounts. They are from the horses mouth. She has lied at least twice here…my money is on all 3 times.

I know you think I bash unions and I can cop that. I think they are putrid, useless organisations. However the fact that I am concerned about peoples money being stolen and you are not screams pages worth....others are also very interested and have not dropped this issue at all.

I mispoke before on the other point. She didnt directly stir that crowd up. However the orders came from her office and a reasonable person could easily conclude that she had a hand in it. Otherwise she has no idea what is going on inside her own office which is even worse...your pick.

I think she's been pretty consistent in saying she didn't really know the true intent of the fund. She has described it as a re-election fund. Yes she used the term slush fund which she has distanced herself from but was probably a reasonable description. She's never lied about it. She was a lawyer and as such acted on advice from her client. By your basis every lawyer who utters a false claim from a client is a liar.

Now the middle part I take issue with - you're putting words in my mouth for one thing. I've never said I'm not concerned where Unions waste or lose money. Never. I've pointed out some basic facts and stated that not all unions are the same. To say that all unions are "putrid" and "useless" is frankly insulting and false. Some unions and some union leaders do the wrong thing but they also have a strong record in gaining and maintaining rights for workers. I don't mind the fact you dislike unions but calling them putrid is going too far.

 

[Winnipeg]

Yes it is one sided mate but it was in response to an earlier post.

that's pretty good of you to admit that, not many people (on either side of the debate) will admit to their own inherent bias on political matters. But then again I'm not sure whether its worth the effort responding to every point you've made there. Although I guess there was zero chance of everyone in this thread agreeing to begin with.

Yesterday her credibility was put on the line and she was left with no alternative. She couldnt continue to support Slipper…but she did. She stuck up for him under unbelievable circumstances and deflected the whole situation to Abbott in a 15 minute rant that has been broadcast around the globe.

how do you feel about Abbott already coming out and saying he will accept Slipper's vote?

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=804299&vId=3583437

as has been pointed out these are all just the machinations of a minority Govt. Why did Gillard do a deal with the Greens? Because she wanted to be PM. Why did Abbott promise to sell his arse to Windsor and build Wilkie a shiny new Tassie hospital? Because he wanted to be PM. He was outmanouvred and has been having a massive sook ever since. Had he been a better negotiator he might have beeen PM. Don't kid yourself that in that situation, he would have said 'oh no, the best thing to do for the Australian people is to go to another election'.
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Why did the Libs speak out in horror against Slipper's texts and are now happy to accept his vote?

Politics is full of double standards, dirty deals and hypocrisy, I hope you held Howard to the same standard as Gillard and I hope you hold Abbott to the same standard if/when he becomes PM.
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I am referring to the AWU fraud scandal of 1995 when Gillard was a lawyer at Slater & Gordon. The facts are that she set up an association that was used by Bruce Wilson and Ralph Blewitt to funnel fraudulently gained money through. When asked why she set this account up these were her answers:

(a) Former Slater & Gordon partner Nick Styant-Browne says that in an interview that was set up by Slater and Gordon in 1995 to investigate the fraud which was recorded and transcribed that Julia Gillard said that she ”understood the purpose of the association was to hold re-election funds for union officials - she stated it was referred to as a re-election fund or slush fund”.

(b) In a 2GB interview in 2011, Michael Smith stated that he has a copy of the original form used to set up the Australian Workers Union Workplace Reform Association. He said words to the effect that he has had a hand writing expert look at it and it is highly likely that is has Julia Gillard’s hand writing on it and the reason for setting up the association says on the form ”development of changes to work to achieve safe workplaces”.

© If these two things arent contradictory enough, in November 2007 Glenn Milne interviewed Julia Gillard just before the federal election which was held on the 24 November 2007\. In that interview it says “As a solicitor acting on instructions, she set up an association later used by her lover to defraud the Australian Workers Union (AWU). But she has strenuously denied ever knowing what the association’s bank accounts were used for.”

I don't think Glenn Milne has much credibility on this matter (or any other for that matter). The Australian printed a retraction after he published that story in 2007 and again when he republished it this year. That story is old as anything. The Coalition would be hammering it inside parliament and outside it, if they thought they could damage Gillard at all. If there's more to the story then maybe the Liberals are saving it for closer to an election, but I highly doubt it.

Michael Smith is getting all his information from a long term political enemy of Gillard and he is generally a dribbler. As I said, if Gillard genuinely did something wrong then the Libs would be smashing it, instead they let a few of their nuffies in the media run with it and hope that some of the mud sticks.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/08/29/milne/

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3574810.htm
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Although this has mostly been swept under the rug, I have no doubt that she played some part in the events that afternoon. Her media adviser Tony Hodges and Unions ACT secretary Kim Sattler had both spoken to tent embassy founder Michael Anderson and had told him the prime ministers office would like him to know that "Tony Abbott is in the coffe shop talking to the press about closing down the Aboriginal tent embassy" and to let everyone know. Word was released through a rep named Barbara Shaw and thats when all hell broke loose.

as Yossarian said, to blame her for this based on nothing more than your own speculation is not really fair. Hodges told Shaw that Tony Abbott was down the road from the protest, and he lost his job for it, those are the facts of the matter.
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The next day Gillard was applauded for her calm demeanour whilst Abbott made fun of for pussying out. Understandable reactions when one knew and the other didnt dont you think? Gillard joined in attacking Abbott for the next few days until all the above came out and then she went very, very quiet.

as I remember it Gillard's shoe was a running joke for a long while. I don't remember anyone calling Abbott a pussy. Gillard was praised for showing concern for Abbott's safety in the situation. Her 'knowing' is again speculation on your behalf.
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She has lied at least twice here…

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I mispoke before on the other point.

she lied, but you misspoke? interesting choice of words there

 

[Winnipeg]

Play the man and not the ball, this is the Labor way.

and yet

I can understand how all of that offends lazy Labor losers, most of whom will never achieve anything in their relentlessly dull and negative lives, but that's life when your best role models are lightweight Labor front benchers

another interesting choice of words
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Mate, he's got more balls than the entire Labor caucus put together.

I read somewhere he's a pussy! :smiley:

 

[stryker]

Hahaha nice try Winnipeg, unconvincing yet entertaining responses none the less.

Julia Gillard
Jenny Macklin
Nicola Roxon
Tanya Plibersek
Penny Wong
Kate Ellis
Kate Lundy

and others have been trying to label Abbott as misogynistic for over a month now in a concerted campaign to secure the female vote as they know as most sensible people do, that this is their only chance to win the next election. They have attacked him through every medium with these false acusations. Their argument is as weak as water and they were absolutely trumped last week by Margie Abbott showed them up for the desperate clowns they really are. However the attacks continued. They have known for months now of Slippers actions and thoughts yet have continued to support him whilst slaying Abbott over matters far more trivial.

Peter Slipper, the most misogynist of all parliamentarians has become a protected species by the very people who are on a feminist crusade. What he said was hateful yet he gets a free pass when a bloke who is old fashioned in his thoughts (which I dont agree with completely) is crucified. Roxon organised for Slipper to enter the court through the judges enterance like a superstar avoiding paparazi, something she was scolded for in court by the sitting judge yet saw nothing wrong with it as Slipper is valuable to this weak gutted government.

Every single one of these women, who have all been on their soapboxes for months now screaming about Abbotts ill treatment of women, voted to protect a man 10 times more misogynist and hateful and in doing so sold their integrity down the river. This should be the final nail in the coffin for this group as every fair minded and respectable woman in this country should feel absolutely let down by these actions. I would seriously question the intelligence of any woman who votes for this party now. They dont care about this matter at all. Gillard even stooped as low as to bring her dead father into the debate.

She is a DISGRACE and her feminist supporters are morons because she protects people who hate women.

 

[Winnipeg]

another quality rant but it doesn't say much besides the fact that you dislike Labor and Gillard

how do you feel about the fact that Abbott is still willing to accept the vote of 'the most misogynist of all parliamentarians'? Or that he accepted Slipper's vote to defeat Malcolm Turnbull and win the leadership (by one vote)?

how do you feel about the fact that the Coalition has also been courting Thomson's vote?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/my-mistake-cormann-says-of-thomson-letter/story-e6frf7kf-1226493346217

 

[Yossarian]

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/i-wont-back-off-pm-says-abbott-20121010-27dly.html

Apparently his vote is okay though… What a hyopcrite!!

Mr Abbott was accused of hypocrisy yesterday for saying he would accept Mr Slipper's vote while refusing to accept that of Craig Thomson, the former Labor MP sent to the crossbenches due to allegations he rorted his union credit card before entering Parliament in 2007.

Despite Mr Slipper still being subject to the sexual harassment case and a separate investigation into criminal allegations he rorted Cabcharges, Mr Abbott said the two cases were fundamentally different.

''Craig Thomson has been found by a quasi-judicial body to have misappropriated some half a million dollars in low-paid union members' money,'' he said.

Mr Slipper, he said, ''was elected as a Coalition member'' and ''his electorate would expect him to vote with the Coalition, but I think he will be highly unpredictable on the crossbenches''.

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