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@Flippedy said:
Very disappointed in the Australian public - they'll believe any tripe that's dished up to them by the media culture. I mean, Clive Palmer gets 2 seats …. seriously? Oh well Australia you got the government you wanted, so good luck for the next however long it takes to piss the Libs off out of power again - you will need it, although the multinationals will be happy :unamused:

Words cannot express how upset I am with Australia. I don't like Kevin Rudd, I think it would be safe to say I hate him, but the Labor government over the last 6 years have been pretty damn excellent. Tony Abbott's yet to be tested, but judging by his policies and plans, this is gonna be a LONG 3 years at least.

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Mate the public isnt totally to blame. Labor's internal distractions made it easy for Labor critics to make them look bad.

Unfortunately many dont have a critical faculty and when Alan "I have been a member of the Liberal Party since 1965 but i dont disclose that to my listeners" Jones and the Murdoch papers tell them Labor was bad, they believe it.

They cant point to anything Labor did wrong except for batts and carbon tax. In respect of the former, they dont listen when you explain that politicians dont implement policies, that is what the public service is for. The problems were caused by an implementation failure and not a policy failure. The latter they can never explain why a carbon tax - a limited and specifically targetted tax - would destroy the economy but a 10% GST - a broad tax applying to all supplies of goods and services - did not.

Dont be too harsh. Many just dont have a critical faculty to see through the bulldust of the conservative commentators.

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@Tiger Watto said:
I've always figured if I want faster internet, Id simply have to pay for it.

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On the Coalition version, that's only if they let you.

Just because you want to pay doesn't necessarily mean you get it.
 
Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html
 
@Winnipeg said:
Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html

Yep but people will prefer to listen to the rubbish from the likes of Jones et al than understand the actual economics.

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@Winnipeg said:
Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html

Its pretty clever, even for Tony

Say nothing at all during the campaign, wait until the media blackout, then release your costings.
 
@Winnipeg said:
Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html

Funnily enough , when Labour comes out the day before an election with their numbers its OK ,when the Coalition comes out 2 days before an election its not OK

Hypocritical analysis possibly ??
 
@happy tiger said:
@Winnipeg said:
Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html

Funnily enough , when Labour comes out the day before an election with their numbers its OK ,when the Coalition comes out 2 days before an election its not OK

Hypocritical analysis possibly ??

It doesn't make it right in either circumstance but they've done this the last 2 times and ignored the very section the Libs set up to handle this work. I also think if you've made the budget deficit one of your key election platforms there is a bigger onus to release the costings of your own promises.
 
@southerntiger said:
Unfortunately many dont have a critical faculty and when Alan "I have been a member of the Liberal Party since 1965 but i dont disclose that to my listeners" Jones

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Not just a member, two-times failed candidate in a very winnable seat. Bags out everyone else in politics because he couldn't get there himself.
 
I thought I had accidently logged onto the Labor Party's web site. I have not read so much garbage for a long time. Where have some of you been living for the past 6 years?

Check out the results of the election. Worst vote for your so called great party for nearly 100 years. Wise up for Christ's sake. Our country was becoming a joke and worse a broke joke.

You know the saying about fooling some of the people some of the time? Maybe not. Get off the left wing web sites and the ABC and check things out for yourselves.
 
@magpiecol said:
I thought I had accidently logged onto the Labor Party's web site. I have not read so much garbage for a long time. Where have some of you been living for the past 6 years?

Check out the results of the election. Worst vote for your so called great party for nearly 100 years. Wise up for Christ's sake. Our country was becoming a joke and worse a broke joke.

You know the saying about fooling some of the people some of the time? Maybe not. Get off the left wing web sites and the ABC and check things out for yourselves.

Well what exactly are you disagreeing with? What I saw was rational people discussing politics rather than just attacking people who hold a different view but you've certainly changed the tone.
 
@Yossarian said:
@happy tiger said:
@Winnipeg said:
Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html

Funnily enough , when Labour comes out the day before an election with their numbers its OK ,when the Coalition comes out 2 days before an election its not OK

Hypocritical analysis possibly ??

It doesn't make it right in either circumstance but they've done this the last 2 times and ignored the very section the Libs set up to handle this work. I also think if you've made the budget deficit one of your key election platforms there is a bigger onus to release the costings of your own promises.

They've been in power all of two days Yoss :unamused:

When the Coalition changes its time frame for getting us back into surplus ,then whinge all you like
 
@magpiecol said:
I thought I had accidently logged onto the Labor Party's web site. I have not read so much garbage for a long time. Where have some of you been living for the past 6 years?

Check out the results of the election. Worst vote for your so called great party for nearly 100 years. Wise up for Christ's sake. Our country was becoming a joke and worse a broke joke.

You know the saying about fooling some of the people some of the time? Maybe not. Get off the left wing web sites and the ABC and check things out for yourselves.

Okay Col.

Seeing that you have obviously "checked things out" and have not been fooled like "some of the people", I assume that you can enlighten the uninformed as to the major reforms of the last fifty years or so that have not been carried out by a Labor government.

I will start off with the GST, and ask that all the informed and knowledgeable people, let all of us that must have been kept in the dark, just what else of any significance the others have done.
 
@happy tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
@happy tiger said:
@Winnipeg said:
Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html

Funnily enough , when Labour comes out the day before an election with their numbers its OK ,when the Coalition comes out 2 days before an election its not OK

Hypocritical analysis possibly ??

It doesn't make it right in either circumstance but they've done this the last 2 times and ignored the very section the Libs set up to handle this work. I also think if you've made the budget deficit one of your key election platforms there is a bigger onus to release the costings of your own promises.

They've been in power all of two days Yoss :unamused:

When the Coalition changes its time frame for getting us back into surplus ,then whinge all you like

Happy I thought we were talking about the timing of the costings pre-election. That was the context of my comment.

And for the record Tony has changed the time frame for getting back to surplus a few times already - even before he was elected!
 
@Yossarian said:
@happy tiger said:
@Yossarian said:
@happy tiger said:
["]Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html

Funnily enough , when Labour comes out the day before an election with their numbers its OK ,when the Coalition comes out 2 days before an election its not OK

Hypocritical analysis possibly ??

It doesn't make it right in either circumstance but they've done this the last 2 times and ignored the very section the Libs set up to handle this work. I also think if you've made the budget deficit one of your key election platforms there is a bigger onus to release the costings of your own promises.

They've been in power all of two days Yoss :unamused:

When the Coalition changes its time frame for getting us back into surplus ,then whinge all you like

Happy I thought we were talking about the timing of the costings pre-election. That was the context of my comment.

And for the record Tony has changed the time frame for getting back to surplus a few times already - even before he was elected!
Only matters what he does AFTER he is elected Yoss
 
@happy tiger said:
@Winnipeg said:
Gittins nails it again

5 years of sooking about labor's economic management, then with 2 days to go they come out with their numbers and they're cutting gross debt by less than 1 percent

http://www.smh.com.au/business/big-change-in-party-little-in-policy-20130908-2te1h.html

Funnily enough , when Labour comes out the day before an election with their numbers its OK ,when the Coalition comes out 2 days before an election its not OK

Hypocritical analysis possibly ??

At what point did I say it was ok for labor to do it?

Are you impressed with the numbers that were released Happy?

After years of hysteria over Labor's supposed reckless spending, they come out with a less than 1% improvement on the budget bottom line?

What's your objective analysis of that?

They are returning the budget to surplus in the exact same time period as labor's forecasts, yet claim to somehow be better economic managers?
 
@Glen McWilliams said:
I found this interesting

http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/election-2013-newspapers.html

Yes, it's very interesting and supports my point in a previous post, exactly. The Australian public have been spoon fed this garbage for the 6 years of Labor leadership and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Labor was never given any leeway to govern the bloody nation without someone jumping on their backs about every trivial thing - be it the gutter press or some smarmy, sniveling opposition politician, yet they still managed to pass more legislation than any other govt in our history.

Since the mainstream media have never bothered to acknowledge _anything_ good that the Rudd/Gillard govts did, I'd like you to consider their achievements that I've listed below:

It actually had to guts to say 'Sorry' to Indigenous Australians for the stolen generations, something long overdue and something that John Howard was too frightened to do because of the supposed legal repercussions that have never eventuated. The restoration and healing of our nation brought about by this act was phenomenal.

It dismantled the unpopular Work Choices reform and introduced Fair Work Australia in its place.
It acted quickly to save us from recession during the world’s financial and economic meltdown, but just as important, it resisted cutting the Budget to shreds when revenue fell, despite immense political pressure to do so.

It transformed our schools and our schooling (Gonski), thus setting us up for the future and giving our children the best possible start in life. It invested wisely in tertiary education, including trades, to meet the needs of a growing and changing economy.

It made the biggest cuts on consumer prices of medicines in Australian history under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) and allocated funding for children and concession holders to receive dental insurance through Medicare.

It created the National Disability Insurance Scheme.
It raised the pension to a decent level.
It introduced paid parental leave.
It implemented a national pay increase for Careworkers (an industry group that has been ignored by previous govts)
It introduced the 'Living Longer, Living Better' Aged Care reforms in July 2013.
It invested in roads, ports and other infrastructure that was holding us back because the previous Coalition govt ignored it.
It improved relations with China whilst maintaining a strong US commitment. In fact, its Foreign Affairs was excellent throughout its term.

It fixed the Murray-Darling river system.
It put a price on carbon that would've led to a transformation of our energy generation, if given a chance.
It was building an NBN that would've transformed the way we live and work for the better and moved us up to speed with the rest of the world.

It tried hard to stem the flow of boat people, but was blocked at every turn by an Opposition that revelled in the political mileage gained from it, whilst the media preyed on this situation by discrediting Labor's Immigration policy and painting the asylum seekers coming to our shores as akin to being invaded by the Nazis!

And it did all this, for the most part, as a **minority** government in the face of unfair resistance and schoolyard bullying from Tony Abbott & co and years of division within its own ranks.

Now, after reading the above (stuff you would never see written in the Murdoch Press or heard about on 2GB), can someone please tell me what the hell was so wrong with this last government that it needed to be changed, because when I usually ask this question to people all they can do is parrot the same crap that the mainstream media spews out - they have no real idea of their own.

During this year, I have met many people from other countries who thought that Australians were insane wanting a new government when the one they had was doing so well running their country, especially compared to the rest of the world! What does this say about us? I can only deduce that the majority of Australians are just a bunch of spoilt, ignorant whingers, who care only for their own little world and have no idea when they've got it good - me included!

Let the games begin! :mrgreen:
 
@Flippedy said:
@Glen McWilliams said:
I found this interesting

http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/election-2013-newspapers.html

Yes, it's very interesting and supports my point in a previous post, exactly. The Australian public have been spoon fed this garbage for the 6 years of Labor leadership and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Labor was never given any leeway to govern the bloody nation without someone jumping on their backs about every trivial thing - be it the gutter press or some smarmy, sniveling opposition politician, yet they still managed to pass more legislation than any other govt in our history.

Since the mainstream media have never bothered to acknowledge _anything_ good that the Rudd/Gillard govts did, I'd like you to consider their achievements that I've listed below:

It actually had to guts to say 'Sorry' to Indigenous Australians for the stolen generations, something long overdue and something that John Howard was too frightened to do because of the supposed legal repercussions that have never eventuated. The restoration and healing of our nation brought about by this act was phenomenal.

It dismantled the unpopular Work Choices reform and introduced Fair Work Australia in its place.
It acted quickly to save us from recession during the world’s financial and economic meltdown, but just as important, it resisted cutting the Budget to shreds when revenue fell, despite immense political pressure to do so.

It transformed our schools and our schooling (Gonski), thus setting us up for the future and giving our children the best possible start in life. It invested wisely in tertiary education, including trades, to meet the needs of a growing and changing economy.

It made the biggest cuts on consumer prices of medicines in Australian history under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS) and allocated funding for children and concession holders to receive dental insurance through Medicare.

It created the National Disability Insurance Scheme.
It raised the pension to a decent level.
It introduced paid parental leave.
It implemented a national pay increase for Careworkers (an industry group that has been ignored by previous govts)
It introduced the 'Living Longer, Living Better' Aged Care reforms in July 2013.
It invested in roads, ports and other infrastructure that was holding us back because the previous Coalition govt ignored it.
It improved relations with China whilst maintaining a strong US commitment. In fact, its Foreign Affairs was excellent throughout its term.

It fixed the Murray-Darling river system.
It put a price on carbon that would've led to a transformation of our energy generation, if given a chance.
It was building an NBN that would've transformed the way we live and work for the better and moved us up to speed with the rest of the world.

It tried hard to stem the flow of boat people, but was blocked at every turn by an Opposition that revelled in the political mileage gained from it, whilst the media preyed on this situation by discrediting Labor's Immigration policy and painting the asylum seekers coming to our shores as akin to being invaded by the Nazis!

And it did all this, for the most part, as a **minority** government in the face of unfair resistance and schoolyard bullying from Tony Abbott & co and years of division within its own ranks.

Now, after reading the above (stuff you would never see written in the Murdoch Press or heard about on 2GB), can someone please tell me what the hell was so wrong with this last government that it needed to be changed, because when I usually ask this question to people all they can do is parrot the same crap that the mainstream media spews out - they have no real idea of their own.

During this year, I have met many people from other countries who thought that Australians were insane wanting a new government when the one they had was doing so well running their country, especially compared to the rest of the world! What does this say about us? I can only deduce that the majority of Australians are just a bunch of spoilt, ignorant whingers, who care only for their own little world and have no idea when they've got it good - me included!

Let the games begin! :mrgreen:

What absolute total rubbish, business does not exist in this country, we pay one of the heighest taxes in all arenas, property market and taxes is ridicolous, and prostituting ourselves to the chinese government and UN.
Labour drained us to the gutter, it was the strength of the Howard government that made us survive the world exonomy crisis, the only reason we got rid of liberal is that we went the tall poppy way and got rid of the best due to change.
Wake up and open your union eyes buddy labour is run by the UN elite

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