Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[stryker]

The LIbs polices resulted in billions of dollars wasted on immoral/illegal detentions of refugees. Oz helped create the refugees by our policies in the Middle East for past 70 years. We also helped exasperate terrorism for the same period.

They haven't wasted one dollar as far as I'm concerned.
…as for your middle east line....**you wouldn't have a bloody clue.** You just sit in suburbia and throw uninformed insults at your own people. You've never been anywhere near a conflict.

And you would? Would any of us on here actually have a clue? The whole politics thread is just full of fluff opinions with personal bias, nothing more.

Yes I would. Spent 3 years over there.

 

[PYMBLEPETE]

The LIbs polices resulted in billions of dollars wasted on immoral/illegal detentions of refugees. Oz helped create the refugees by our policies in the Middle East for past 70 years. We also helped exasperate terrorism for the same period.

Your ignorance on the matter is so great that its probably a waste of time trying to educate you, but try this for facts:

Almost everyone on Manus and Nauru was put there by Labor. The Libs are trying to clean up the Labor mess. Shorten is hypocritical beyond belief to be squaking about this and you are a joke to be blaming the wrong party but just keep it up.

There are few genuine 'refugees'. There are plenty of opportunitists. Nothing to do with 70 years or whatever. All were told they were not coming to Australia before they set sail. They rolled the dice anyway, so whose fault is that??

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

The LIbs polices resulted in billions of dollars wasted on immoral/illegal detentions of refugees. Oz helped create the refugees by our policies in the Middle East for past 70 years. We also helped exasperate terrorism for the same period.

They haven't wasted one dollar as far as I'm concerned.
…as for your middle east line....you wouldn't have a bloody clue. You just sit in suburbia and throw uninformed insults at your own people. You've never been anywhere near a conflict.

They spent millions on each of those refugees locking them up, all the court cases etc.. One of those detention places was going with only one prisoner - what a joke. They paid a fortune for the few who ended up in Cambodia. 96% of those first batches were granted refugee status in Australia meaning that all those billions were wasted fighting phony battles for political advantage of the Libs/Nats. Appealing to people's prejudices. A very tardy process.

By Oz helping to bomb the Christ and Mohammed out of those M/E countries we created power vacuums that were occupied by extremists and/or different religious/ethnic groups with revenge. Oz helped created the State of Israel that displaced millions of refugees for past 70 years. Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Vietnam - all disasters of Australian foreign policy. Include Laos with still hundreds of thousands of still unexploded mines and bombs - still blowing people's legs off.

My loyalty is to the Bob Brown's of this world - who was shouldered by Lib/Nat politicians from presenting that petition to idiot GW Bush when he was in OZ re Iraq invasion.

 

[stryker]

Bob Brown was a dangerous lunatic and an all round idiot.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Bob Brown was a dangerous lunatic and an all round idiot.

This man with much support has changed the face of OZ politics. The Greens control Byron Shire Council. He has done all the hard yards for years in so many important campaigns in a hopeless attempt to prevent the over-breeding and environmental boofheads from wrecking their own place of habitat - that is Planet Earth.

Global warming and all the other re-actions have wrecked the biosphere - we are a very stupid animal as we do know better.

The Aborigines had a lot greater respect for the environment, that is the message I get from the local indigenous people. They are proud that they have surrounded Byron Bay with national parks - mostly land they won land rights over and then donated back as parks. And because their youngsters got a few jobs out of it as park rangers the country bumpkins of the National Party are crying out discrimination. These bumpkins are on stolen Aboriginal land and they are still insulting to their victims.

Bob Brown is an international hero.

 

[newtiger]

The LIbs polices resulted in billions of dollars wasted on immoral/illegal detentions of refugees. Oz helped create the refugees by our policies in the Middle East for past 70 years. We also helped exasperate terrorism for the same period.

They haven't wasted one dollar as far as I'm concerned.
…as for your middle east line....you wouldn't have a bloody clue. You just sit in suburbia and throw uninformed insults at your own people. You've never been anywhere near a conflict.

They spent millions on each of those refugees locking them up, all the court cases etc.. One of those detention places was going with only one prisoner - what a joke. They paid a fortune for the few who ended up in Cambodia. 96% of those first batches were granted refugee status in Australia meaning that all those billions were wasted fighting phony battles for political advantage of the Libs/Nats. Appealing to people's prejudices. A very tardy process.

By Oz helping to bomb the Christ and Mohammed out of those M/E countries we created power vacuums that were occupied by extremists and/or different religious/ethnic groups with revenge. Oz helped created the State of Israel that displaced millions of refugees for past 70 years. Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Vietnam - all disasters of Australian foreign policy. Include Laos with still hundreds of thousands of still unexploded mines and bombs - still blowing people's legs off.

My loyalty is to the Bob Brown's of this world - who was shouldered by Lib/Nat politicians from presenting that petition to idiot GW Bush when he was in OZ re Iraq invasion.

Bob Brown a Gay tree hugger that say a lot about you BBF are you sure that its not Ninbin bay fan!!!!

 

[Flippedy]

The LIbs polices resulted in billions of dollars wasted on immoral/illegal detentions of refugees. Oz helped create the refugees by our policies in the Middle East for past 70 years. We also helped exasperate terrorism for the same period.

They haven't wasted one dollar as far as I'm concerned.
…as for your middle east line....you wouldn't have a bloody clue. You just sit in suburbia and throw uninformed insults at your own people. You've never been anywhere near a conflict.

They spent millions on each of those refugees locking them up, all the court cases etc.. One of those detention places was going with only one prisoner - what a joke. They paid a fortune for the few who ended up in Cambodia. 96% of those first batches were granted refugee status in Australia meaning that all those billions were wasted fighting phony battles for political advantage of the Libs/Nats. Appealing to people's prejudices. A very tardy process.

By Oz helping to bomb the Christ and Mohammed out of those M/E countries we created power vacuums that were occupied by extremists and/or different religious/ethnic groups with revenge. Oz helped created the State of Israel that displaced millions of refugees for past 70 years. Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Vietnam - all disasters of Australian foreign policy. Include Laos with still hundreds of thousands of still unexploded mines and bombs - still blowing people's legs off.

My loyalty is to the Bob Brown's of this world - who was shouldered by Lib/Nat politicians from presenting that petition to idiot GW Bush when he was in OZ re Iraq invasion.

Bob Brown a Gay tree hugger that say a lot about you BBF are you sure that its not Ninbin bay fan!!!!

So BBF writes a couple of informative posts about the good work that Bob Brown has done over his years leading the Greens and the responses from two of the posters on here are _1._ _Bob Brown was a dangerous lunatic and an all round idiot and 2\. Bob Brown a Gay tree hugger that say a lot about you BBF are you sure that its not Ninbin bay fan!!!!_

Wow! Such thoughtful and intelligent responses guys! They say ignorance is bliss. I've never really had an opinion on Brown one way or another, so thanks BBF for sharing some stuff about the work that he has done that I didn't know about.

 

[Tim Sheens]

They haven't wasted one dollar as far as I'm concerned.
…as for your middle east line....you wouldn't have a bloody clue. You just sit in suburbia and throw uninformed insults at your own people. You've never been anywhere near a conflict.

They spent millions on each of those refugees locking them up, all the court cases etc.. One of those detention places was going with only one prisoner - what a joke. They paid a fortune for the few who ended up in Cambodia. 96% of those first batches were granted refugee status in Australia meaning that all those billions were wasted fighting phony battles for political advantage of the Libs/Nats. Appealing to people's prejudices. A very tardy process.

By Oz helping to bomb the Christ and Mohammed out of those M/E countries we created power vacuums that were occupied by extremists and/or different religious/ethnic groups with revenge. Oz helped created the State of Israel that displaced millions of refugees for past 70 years. Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Vietnam - all disasters of Australian foreign policy. Include Laos with still hundreds of thousands of still unexploded mines and bombs - still blowing people's legs off.

My loyalty is to the Bob Brown's of this world - who was shouldered by Lib/Nat politicians from presenting that petition to idiot GW Bush when he was in OZ re Iraq invasion.

Bob Brown a Gay tree hugger that say a lot about you BBF are you sure that its not Ninbin bay fan!!!!

So BBF writes a couple of informative posts about the good work that Bob Brown has done over his years leading the Greens and the responses from two of the posters on here are _1._ _Bob Brown was a dangerous lunatic and an all round idiot and 2\. Bob Brown a Gay tree hugger that say a lot about you BBF are you sure that its not Ninbin bay fan!!!!_

Wow! Such thoughtful and intelligent responses guys! They say ignorance is bliss. I've never really had an opinion on Brown one way or another, so thanks BBF for sharing some stuff about the work that he has done that I didn't know about.

Well said Flip. Whilst even I think BBF is a bit out there at times, I can't help but respect his caring and conviction. Others, well was a bit disappointed to see Bathurst's post as he has called out Stryker for his ignorance and/or attitude in the past.

 

[stryker]

They haven't wasted one dollar as far as I'm concerned.
…as for your middle east line....you wouldn't have a bloody clue. You just sit in suburbia and throw uninformed insults at your own people. You've never been anywhere near a conflict.

They spent millions on each of those refugees locking them up, all the court cases etc.. One of those detention places was going with only one prisoner - what a joke. They paid a fortune for the few who ended up in Cambodia. 96% of those first batches were granted refugee status in Australia meaning that all those billions were wasted fighting phony battles for political advantage of the Libs/Nats. Appealing to people's prejudices. A very tardy process.

By Oz helping to bomb the Christ and Mohammed out of those M/E countries we created power vacuums that were occupied by extremists and/or different religious/ethnic groups with revenge. Oz helped created the State of Israel that displaced millions of refugees for past 70 years. Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Vietnam - all disasters of Australian foreign policy. Include Laos with still hundreds of thousands of still unexploded mines and bombs - still blowing people's legs off.

My loyalty is to the Bob Brown's of this world - who was shouldered by Lib/Nat politicians from presenting that petition to idiot GW Bush when he was in OZ re Iraq invasion.

Bob Brown a Gay tree hugger that say a lot about you BBF are you sure that its not Ninbin bay fan!!!!

So BBF writes a couple of informative posts about the good work that Bob Brown has done over his years leading the Greens and the responses from two of the posters on here are _1._ _Bob Brown was a dangerous lunatic and an all round idiot and 2\. Bob Brown a Gay tree hugger that say a lot about you BBF are you sure that its not Ninbin bay fan!!!!_

Wow! Such thoughtful and intelligent responses guys! They say ignorance is bliss. I've never really had an opinion on Brown one way or another, so thanks BBF for sharing some stuff about the work that he has done that I didn't know about.

Go do some research Fippedy then come back here and see if you want to remain on that high horse. Bob Brown is a fundamentalist and economic illiterate who wants the UN to run the world. He is laughed at globally and certainly not seen as a hero.

 

[stryker]

Oh…he also wanted Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander communities to secede from Australia.
Real good work isn't it?

 

[Flippedy]

Oh…he also wanted Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander communities to secede from Australia.
Real good work isn't it?

Ok fair enough, that's not a good stance or one that I would ever agree with! It's just something else that I didn't know and thanks for enlightening me.

Your last two posts are a whole lot better than the _Bob Brown was a dangerous lunatic and all round idiot_ response to BBF's post, which I was alluding to. It's ignorant to just call people names and throw out personal insults, but giving the reasons why you don't agree with his policies in a healthy (non-aggro) debate is good.

 

[Yossarian]

Geez this thread has been revived with plenty of rubbish. To blame the current situation re migration on either party is like two bald men fighting over a hat. The a Pacific Solution has always been Coalition policy. Suggesting Nauru or Manus are ALP concoctions is ridiculous. Facts are that the detention centres were opened by the Keating government and the first peak in arrivals occurred under the Howard government. It's unarguable that the current government, for various reasons has stopped boat arrivals for the most part. Whether this represents a success is open to individual interpretation.

I'm no fan of Bob Brown but I fail to see what his sexuality has to do with any appraisal of his politics. Frankly I would have thought we'd moved beyond that sort of stuff.

 

[Yossarian]

The LIbs polices resulted in billions of dollars wasted on immoral/illegal detentions of refugees. Oz helped create the refugees by our policies in the Middle East for past 70 years. We also helped exasperate terrorism for the same period.

Your ignorance on the matter is so great that its probably a waste of time trying to educate you, but try this for facts:

Almost everyone on Manus and Nauru was put there by Labor. The Libs are trying to clean up the Labor mess. Shorten is hypocritical beyond belief to be squaking about this and you are a joke to be blaming the wrong party but just keep it up.

There are few genuine 'refugees'. There are plenty of opportunitists. Nothing to do with 70 years or whatever. All were told they were not coming to Australia before they set sail. They rolled the dice anyway, so whose fault is that??

If they're not refugees they don't get a protection visa. It's really that simple. Suggesting they knew they wouldn't be settled in Australia is not borne out my the Intel that was collected.

Blaming Manus and Nauru on Labor is disingenuous at best. It represents a stage in a pissing competition started by Howard.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

The LIbs polices resulted in billions of dollars wasted on immoral/illegal detentions of refugees. Oz helped create the refugees by our policies in the Middle East for past 70 years. We also helped exasperate terrorism for the same period.

Your ignorance on the matter is so great that its probably a waste of time trying to educate you, but try this for facts:

Almost everyone on Manus and Nauru was put there by Labor. The Libs are trying to clean up the Labor mess. Shorten is hypocritical beyond belief to be squaking about this and you are a joke to be blaming the wrong party but just keep it up.

There are few genuine 'refugees'. There are plenty of opportunitists. Nothing to do with 70 years or whatever. All were told they were not coming to Australia before they set sail. They rolled the dice anyway, so whose fault is that??

Genuine refugees have rights under various UN conventions, these were established to prevent a repeat of humanitarian situations where people are persecuted but have no where to flee to for example during genocides. Australia signed and ratified these conventions. It is refugees choice whether they want to risk their lives in dodgy boats - Labour policy did not create the problem and are not responsible for it.
I will get back to this issue shortly.

Concerning the 70 years, Australia has an important part of establishing the Jew State of Israel in 1948(http://www2.sl.nsw.gov.au/archive/discover_collections/society_art/jewish/zionism/index.html), this resulted in about a 3/4 million Palestinian refugees at the time that has now swelled to approx. 5 million. Terrorism was used to create the State of Israel and has been used ever since to steal more land from the Palestinians - in complete disregard of international law. Some of these refugees have landed in Australia and as Australia was so instrumental in creating the refugee situation I believe have a great moral impetus to take a lot more. The only trouble is Australia is settling them in a country of which they themselves have stolen or have received as stolen goods.

You can steal someone's boat or car and they can still survive but take their land and whether they be Palestinian or Indigenous "Australians" they cannot survive.

If Indigenous "Australians" now want to create their own independent country then they have the right and should have the power. No treaty or agreement has been signed by the colonisers and the Indigenous "Australians", so the colonisers are still illegal occupiers who used terrorism to gain the land.

If Jewry have land rights going back about 2,000 years when they were last expelled from Palestine then why can't Indigenous "Australians" have their full country back after only 200 years. It was perfectly okay for Australia in the UN to give Palestine away only 70 years ago!

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Amazing snippet of race relations of white/indigenous Australia that puts the Stolen Generation in a different perspective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation#Australia
Australia[edit]
Miscegenation was a deliberate policy of the Western Australian Protector of Aborigines, A. O. Neville, who hoped to "breed out" Aboriginal characteristics from the growing "half caste" population of Aborigines in Western Australia. As a result, he failed to prosecute cases where half caste girls were sexually abused or raped by European Australian, who sought an evening on "the black velvet". The children of such unions were often taken from their mothers and confined to "concentration camps" at Moore River and Carrolup, as a part of the policy known as Stolen Generations.[citation needed]

 

[stryker]

Wow thats a sad story.
Maybe we should give them Sydney as compensation.
That way my favourite Kevin Bloody Wilson song can come true.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Bernadi should have resigned full stop, as he did not have the balls to run for election on his values, which are far from liberal.

 

[Geo]

Awe Crap..

Cue Byron in 3-2-…

 

[supercoach]

Corey B was elected as a Liberal and the people who voted for him were voting for a liberal candidate. So if he wants to step down from the liberals and form another party he should have to go to the people to get a gig in the senate.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Awe Crap..

Cue Byron in 3-2-…

As Pauline would say "please explain"