hammertime
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I hope fusion gets here very soon… it doesn't look like the pollies are going to do much until half the world is underwater
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Harvey
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If we shut down all industry and reduce emissions this will solve global warming. Australia's contribution of 1.17% of CO2 emissions are obviously the straw that broke the camels back.
@magpiecol said:
I understand what you are saying col and i have no doubt it is wonderful living like an ostrich as you do.Future generations will not be as lenient as that and will blame our generation and subsequent generations for sitting on their bum and doing nothing when all the credible scientific evidence shows that fossil fuel is responsible for much of what is happening.I have a son who will have grandchildren in the future and the legacy we will be leaving is one i am not proud of.
People who want to believe it is nonsense believe reports from the fossil fuel industry(coal in most cases).People who have vested interests in leaving the status quo for their benefit.Whack a few more dead horses col to prove your point
Actually Col one of the actions as part of the Paris Accord is the worldwide phasedown of high GWP refrigerants. It is virtually universally agreed that the existing gasses in use are significant contributors to climate change. So much so that the proposed 95% phasedown of hydroflurocarbon refrigerants by 2040 would see an average cooling across the planet of half a degree celsius. The planet average temperature increase since the industrial revolution is 0.8 degrees celsius.
Companies are expending heavy amounts of money and man hours to meet the challenges issued by governments largely within Europe to manage down the GWP of refrigerants. Incidentally, one of the most efficient refrigerants is CO2 itself.
I'd like to hear your opinion on this, as you've stated that you know exactly what is happening.
Companies are expending heavy amounts of money and man hours to meet the challenges issued by governments largely within Europe to manage down the GWP of refrigerants. Incidentally, one of the most efficient refrigerants is CO2 itself.
I'd like to hear your opinion on this, as you've stated that you know exactly what is happening.
Tim Sheens
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@Harvey said:
It may not be the proverbial straw, but as we produce around three times average per capita compared to the average human on earth and consume on a similar level, our bale places a heavy burden to be carried by our planet. An Earth that is vastly different both flora and fauna wise than it was barely a century ago, with the picture below its ocean surface being one of utter devastation of the former bountifully stocked aquatic garden.
We are part of a population that is four to five times greater than when the foundation clubs that became WT were born, which is a staggering increase by any standard. The increase in consumption and acceleration rate of same since then is enormously larger and particularly since the beginning of WW2.
To think we as a race have had little effect in this period, well to me it seems preposterous.
happy_tiger
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Don't worry Col , he got this all off facebook and youtube
CB is part of conspiracy theory , every Forum has one now
I'm with you on this one Col
Look at that , I just destroyed so many sarcasm meters I may have just saved the planet from total annihilation
Bring on Global Warming I say , by the time Happy's ready to turn up his toes I'll be fishing off the jetty I'm going to build out the front of my place
I'll be a millionaire :laughing:
Happy you need to finish your Bunker before you start another project…
Donald will take care of warming the Globe,,,
Donald will take care of warming the Globe,,,
Tiger_Watto
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Global Warming may have been accelerated by human productivity, and while we can limit this acceleration, we are NO CHANCE of stopping it.
As to the Fossil Fuels contribution, it will take another 200+ years before we can roll this back. The most cost effective way forward [in conjunction with sensible reductions] is ensuring we all plant a tree and petition governments around the world to stop Land Clearing & culling Rain Forests.
As to the Fossil Fuels contribution, it will take another 200+ years before we can roll this back. The most cost effective way forward [in conjunction with sensible reductions] is ensuring we all plant a tree and petition governments around the world to stop Land Clearing & culling Rain Forests.
hammertime
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@Harvey said:
It's that kind of response that gets the world no where. America not signing up because China isn't, China because of india etc.
It's about time we had some God damn leadership in this world rather than shrinking violets out for themselves, rather than mankind as a whole.
@Tiger Watto said:
You can actually. You can reverse over half the average climate increase from 150 years in just over 20 short years. That's by one action. Imagine what can be achieved by adapting to cleaner power solutions. Looking past the initial cost impost to implement these changes (people like Elon Musk is trying to initiate the change but without demand there is no competition to drive down cost.)
Nuclear is the way to go in the interim IMO until a high yield clean power solution is found to supplement solar and wind power. We live on a stable land mass, we're not prone to tsunami or earthquakes, as a coastal nation we have access to more than enough water (we have an expensive desalination plant that does SFA at the moment,) and we have a huge brains trust and our industry regulations would be among the strictest in the world (you can't fart on site without a JSA these days.)
Something has to be done. Those in charge at the moment don't give a tinker's cuss because they won't be alive to see it. Our children and grandchildren will suffer at our hands and subsequent inaction.
happy_tiger
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@Geo. said:
Its finished , my only concern is the massive tsunami caused by the comet /meteor going to hit the planet , we are overdue you know
Tiger_Watto
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Honesty and truth are the key missing ingredients in the debate. Its really irrelevant what we can do about it if we cant accept a unified understanding and solution.
Stage One is accepting that Global Warming is a natural occurring evolution and we will never stop it.
Stage Two is accepting Governments around the world are reliant on Big Business/Corporations, so essentially they control the path to finding a solution to slow down the acceleration.
Stage Three is releasing the truths which contribute to the 'complete' acceleration, without the fear of being sued by the corporations who are deeply invested.
Good Luck with Stage 3!
Stage One is accepting that Global Warming is a natural occurring evolution and we will never stop it.
Stage Two is accepting Governments around the world are reliant on Big Business/Corporations, so essentially they control the path to finding a solution to slow down the acceleration.
Stage Three is releasing the truths which contribute to the 'complete' acceleration, without the fear of being sued by the corporations who are deeply invested.
Good Luck with Stage 3!
Climate change is a natural event, it has been going on since the planet was formed. There is no dispute to that, however mankind does have a hand in the impact of it.
@Cultured Bogan said:
Until a Politician can stand up and tell us how much it will cost the economy for Australia to engage in these "Clean Energy" programs, how much my power bills will increase by, and how much the temperature will actually decrease if Australia does this, then it's all pie in the sky stuff.
I wouldn't buy myself a new boat if the salesman refused to tell me how fast it went, how much fuel it consumed, how smooth it was on the water, or how comfortable it was to drive. Yet some out of touch pollies want us to jump head first into these green energy schemes without providing us with any tangible information whatsoever on how we will be affected. No wonder so many people don't want a bar of it.
The fact that Australia's pollution footprint is so minuscule on the world stage means there will likely be no difference in temperature, regardless of what we do.
My 2 cents.
Harvey
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@hammertime said:
Should there be a vote on who will be the global leader, or should someone just be appointed (or appoint themselves). I assume this global leader would need to conform with the expectations of certain vocal advocacy groups, and align policies with them at the expense of those that do not share similar views? Isn't that a dictator?
Perhaps the solution lies in a war that wipes out at least a 3rd of the worlds population, or forced sterilisation, particularly in countries where the current population levels cannot be supported, or population increases and the resources they require (such as food via organised farming) are leading to the degradation of the environment and natural resources.
Byron_Bay_Fan
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Australia's environmental damage is about 30 times that of 3rd world folk but that does not mean we have to live their life style to get our pollution down. There are many of sensible actions that can be taken to help, the easiest and biggest being trying to get rid of cars. Nothing healthier than getting on a bike. We should have dedicated bikeways to everywhere that are covered from the weather. With our iron ore mines surely we can do, would be much cheaper than constructing motorways. I always imagined elevated cycle ways in mountainous areas, would only need galvanised scaffolding, so no big hills to climb.
Tim Sheens
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@Flippedy said:
I did write out a post , but must have lost connection (again) and thus the post as well.
His joining in with the lump of coal prop debacle, which is the opposite of his thinking on climate change says it all for the PM. Sold his soul.
happy_tiger
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Biggest problem is getting everyone to do their little bit
Too many think an individual has little to no effect globally
happy_tiger
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@Flippedy said:
I think we are just getting proof that you can't just thumb party policy and think you will be successful reaching and staying at the top
Does anyone have the balls to back themselves and hope that getting overwhelming support from the public is enough to fight off party politics
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