Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Geo]

I hate political discussions and I don't want to get involved. I also question why we're having political discussions on the WTF.

Umm then don't..

It is in the General Discussion sub forum where topics of a general nature are discussed by those who choose to do so….

Should we remove the whole General Discussion Sub Forum altogether...?

There are a lot of knowledgeable members who personally I enjoy reading their opinions on different subjects apart from football that may be different from my own..learning never ends...there are also loons and you get a good laugh...win/win..

 

[Twmba_Tigerman]

You have got to be kidding. I am a West Tigers Forum member and I don't need to read or talk about this rubbish. Whoever started this thread should be given some summary jurisdiction behind the grandstand and told to wake up to themselves.

 

[stryker]

I hate political discussions and I don't want to get involved. I also question why we're having political discussions on the WTF.

This is the most baffling post ive read on here …probably ever. Surely its a troll post?

 

[stryker]

You have got to be kidding. I am a West Tigers Forum member and I don't need to read or talk about this rubbish. Whoever started this thread should be given some summary jurisdiction behind the grandstand and told to wake up to themselves.

Id say this is one vote against :laughing:

 

[Tacky]

Clicks on thread titled "Gay marriage legalisation"

Complains that thread contains discussion about "Gay marriage legalisation"

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Umm then don't..

It is in the General Discussion sub forum where topics of a general nature are discussed by those who choose to do so….

Should we remove the whole General Discussion Sub Forum altogether...?

There are a lot of knowledgeable members who personally I enjoy reading their opinions on different subjects apart from football that may be different from my own..learning never ends...there are also loons and you get a good laugh...win/win..

Hey I've got no problem with you guys debating, I was just stating that I don't like debating. I also got some forumers mad at me last time I posted in the general discussion thread.

I have this burning desire inside me to debate but, I hate doing it.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maybe i've been on here too long, but it's really getting on my nerves all these new posters who have been here for only a few months trying to dictate to the rest of us who have been here a lot longer what we should talk about and scolding us for negative opinions.

 

[Nelson]

I hate political discussions and I don't want to get involved. I also question why we're having political discussions on the WTF.

Umm then don't..

It is in the General Discussion sub forum where topics of a general nature are discussed by those who choose to do so….

Should we remove the whole General Discussion Sub Forum altogether...?

There are a lot of knowledgeable members who personally I enjoy reading their opinions on different subjects apart from football that may be different from my own..learning never ends...there are also loons and you get a good laugh...win/win..

For the sake of accuracy you should change the subtitle from "General social discussion" to "Generally antisocial discussion"…

 

[coivtny]

Probably a highly unpopular view but I'm not in favour. However, I think the majority of Australians should decide via a plebiscite. If the polls are correct and around 70% of Australians are in favour then the plebiscite will be carried and I'll support it on the basis that it's the will of the majority.

I respect anyone for their believes, but why waste money on a plebiscite that could be directed towards schools,hiospitals or the disabled. Let the pollies have a secret ballot and put this issue to bed for ever at no cost to the tax payer

Why a secret ballot - i think the Australian public should know where each of them stand. Its not a secret society.

A secret ballot because that's the only chance of politicians voting to represent the views of their constituents as opposed to the views imposed on them by their party. For example, I can't imagine Pauline Hanson allowing One Nation members to support gay marriage in an open ballot. Equally, I can't imagine Labor members being allowed to vote their consciences if they oppose it. Personally, I favour a plebiscite because I regard this as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, social issues in 50 years. I think the cost is justified given the importance of the issue.

 

[Milky]

Have bigger problems in the world right now

Two guys or two girls sleeping in the same bed doesn't bother me

 

[Milky]

Maybe i've been on here too long, but it's really getting on my nerves all these new posters who have been here for only a few months trying to dictate to the rest of us who have been here a lot longer what we should talk about and scolding us for negative opinions.

Shh GNR, we have the boys club going haha

You're not alone mate

 

[Yossarian]

Probably a highly unpopular view but I'm not in favour. However, I think the majority of Australians should decide via a plebiscite. If the polls are correct and around 70% of Australians are in favour then the plebiscite will be carried and I'll support it on the basis that it's the will of the majority.

I respect anyone for their believes, but why waste money on a plebiscite that could be directed towards schools,hiospitals or the disabled. Let the pollies have a secret ballot and put this issue to bed for ever at no cost to the tax payer

Why a secret ballot - i think the Australian public should know where each of them stand. Its not a secret society.

A secret ballot because that's the only chance of politicians voting to represent the views of their constituents as opposed to the views imposed on them by their party. For example, I can't imagine Pauline Hanson allowing One Nation members to support gay marriage in an open ballot. Equally, I can't imagine Labor members being allowed to vote their consciences if they oppose it. Personally, I favour a plebiscite because I regard this as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, social issues in 50 years. I think the cost is justified given the importance of the issue.

But how is it the biggest social issue in 50 years? How does this effect you at all? If lesbians got married to tomorrow how would anything change for you? I just don't understand why anyone cares enough to oppose it apart from just not liking gay people.

 

[Tacky]

Maybe i've been on here too long, but it's really getting on my nerves all these new posters who have been here for only a few months trying to dictate to the rest of us who have been here a lot longer what we should talk about and scolding us for negative opinions.

Didn't you have a go at me for posting in the general discussion section and try and dictate what was and wasn't appropriate to post on the forum? http://www.weststigersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29335

I also wasn't trying to dictate what people could and could not post, I was stating my opinion and then asking a genuine question.

 

[stryker]

Probably a highly unpopular view but I'm not in favour. However, I think the majority of Australians should decide via a plebiscite. If the polls are correct and around 70% of Australians are in favour then the plebiscite will be carried and I'll support it on the basis that it's the will of the majority.

I respect anyone for their believes, but why waste money on a plebiscite that could be directed towards schools,hiospitals or the disabled. Let the pollies have a secret ballot and put this issue to bed for ever at no cost to the tax payer

Why a secret ballot - i think the Australian public should know where each of them stand. Its not a secret society.

A secret ballot because that's the only chance of politicians voting to represent the views of their constituents as opposed to the views imposed on them by their party. For example, I can't imagine Pauline Hanson allowing One Nation members to support gay marriage in an open ballot. Equally, I can't imagine Labor members being allowed to vote their consciences if they oppose it. Personally, I favour a plebiscite because I regard this as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, social issues in 50 years. I think the cost is justified given the importance of the issue.

Out of curiosity, why do you think this is such an important issue?

 

[Nelson]

Probably a highly unpopular view but I'm not in favour. However, I think the majority of Australians should decide via a plebiscite. If the polls are correct and around 70% of Australians are in favour then the plebiscite will be carried and I'll support it on the basis that it's the will of the majority.

I respect anyone for their believes, but why waste money on a plebiscite that could be directed towards schools,hiospitals or the disabled. Let the pollies have a secret ballot and put this issue to bed for ever at no cost to the tax payer

Why a secret ballot - i think the Australian public should know where each of them stand. Its not a secret society.

A secret ballot because that's the only chance of politicians voting to represent the views of their constituents as opposed to the views imposed on them by their party. For example, I can't imagine Pauline Hanson allowing One Nation members to support gay marriage in an open ballot. Equally, I can't imagine Labor members being allowed to vote their consciences if they oppose it. Personally, I favour a plebiscite because I regard this as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, social issues in 50 years. I think the cost is justified given the importance of the issue.

There are far more pressing social issues that have a much greater bearing on people's day to day lives. This particular change is inexorable anyway. It is just the way society is moving. A plebiscite will not resolve anything. Regardless of the result the "losing" side will not change their views in the immediate future and social cohesion will not be improved.

A secret ballot would be completely cowardly. For some voters (including seemingly you) this is an important issue. You are entitled to know the views of your sitting member on the issue if there is to be a conscience vote.

 

[Milky]

Maybe i've been on here too long, but it's really getting on my nerves all these new posters who have been here for only a few months trying to dictate to the rest of us who have been here a lot longer what we should talk about and scolding us for negative opinions.

Didn't you have a go at me for posting in the general discussion section and try and dictate what was and wasn't appropriate to post on the forum? http://www.weststigersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=29335

I also wasn't trying to dictate what people could and could not post, I was stating my opinion and then asking a genuine question.

Whats the link meant to be showing? GNR didn't dictate anything there

 

[coivtny]

I respect anyone for their believes, but why waste money on a plebiscite that could be directed towards schools,hiospitals or the disabled. Let the pollies have a secret ballot and put this issue to bed for ever at no cost to the tax payer

Why a secret ballot - i think the Australian public should know where each of them stand. Its not a secret society.

A secret ballot because that's the only chance of politicians voting to represent the views of their constituents as opposed to the views imposed on them by their party. For example, I can't imagine Pauline Hanson allowing One Nation members to support gay marriage in an open ballot. Equally, I can't imagine Labor members being allowed to vote their consciences if they oppose it. Personally, I favour a plebiscite because I regard this as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, social issues in 50 years. I think the cost is justified given the importance of the issue.

But how is it the biggest social issue in 50 years? How does this effect you at all? If lesbians got married to tomorrow how would anything change for you? I just don't understand why anyone cares enough to oppose it apart from just not liking gay people.

In my opinion it **is** the biggest social issue in 50 years. You may have a different view and are entitled to that view. But, with respect, please don't characterise me as "just not liking gay people". You don't know me. I have gay friends, male and female, who know my views and don't have a problem with them. Some of them are for gay marriage and others don't care one way or the other. I have a view that marriage is a bond between a man and a woman. Others have different views. That's what makes the world go around.

 

[coivtny]

I respect anyone for their believes, but why waste money on a plebiscite that could be directed towards schools,hiospitals or the disabled. Let the pollies have a secret ballot and put this issue to bed for ever at no cost to the tax payer

Why a secret ballot - i think the Australian public should know where each of them stand. Its not a secret society.

A secret ballot because that's the only chance of politicians voting to represent the views of their constituents as opposed to the views imposed on them by their party. For example, I can't imagine Pauline Hanson allowing One Nation members to support gay marriage in an open ballot. Equally, I can't imagine Labor members being allowed to vote their consciences if they oppose it. Personally, I favour a plebiscite because I regard this as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, social issues in 50 years. I think the cost is justified given the importance of the issue.

Out of curiosity, why do you think this is such an important issue?

Because it challenges the way that a lot of Australians (but not the majority if the polling is accurate) view marriage. I would imagine a higher proportion of people north of 40 years of age would have difficulty with the concept of gay marriage.

 

[Tacky]

Whats the link meant to be showing? GNR didn't dictate anything there

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yada yada yada i'm get a little bit sick and tired of this crap showing up on the forum - who cares - this was meant to be a WT forum not crap about who tweeted who
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**GNR4LIFE**
Yep, and no offence to the newbies but its mostly them bringing all this here. And making a big deal of what is being discussed on other clubs forums. Its getting boring real fast.
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People are making a bigger deal of my post than they should be. I was just stating my opinion on political discussion and then asking a genuine question, that isn't me telling people what they can and can't do. Maybe I worded it poorly.

 

[Yossarian]

Why a secret ballot - i think the Australian public should know where each of them stand. Its not a secret society.

A secret ballot because that's the only chance of politicians voting to represent the views of their constituents as opposed to the views imposed on them by their party. For example, I can't imagine Pauline Hanson allowing One Nation members to support gay marriage in an open ballot. Equally, I can't imagine Labor members being allowed to vote their consciences if they oppose it. Personally, I favour a plebiscite because I regard this as one of the biggest, if not the biggest, social issues in 50 years. I think the cost is justified given the importance of the issue.

But how is it the biggest social issue in 50 years? How does this effect you at all? If lesbians got married to tomorrow how would anything change for you? I just don't understand why anyone cares enough to oppose it apart from just not liking gay people.

In my opinion it **is** the biggest social issue in 50 years. You may have a different view and are entitled to that view. But, with respect, please don't characterise me as "just not liking gay people". You don't know me. I have gay friends, male and female, who know my views and don't have a problem with them. Some of them are for gay marriage and others don't care one way or the other. I have a view that marriage is a bond between a man and a woman. Others have different views. That's what makes the world go around.

I was making a general observation, I didn't characterise you as anything.
Why do you care though? How does it affect you? I again ask you, if gay people got married tomorrow how does it undermine the concept of marriage. Why should it only be between a man and a woman?
You can think what you want but why should you get to tell other people they can't get married?

 

[MG1962]

100% in support of it being legislated. Religious organisations should have no obligation to partake though.

Try this argument :slight_smile:

One of the cornerstones of our society is that all are equal before the law.

Gay people who live in the same situations as a hetro couple to attain common law or de-facto marriage do not get the same status in law as the hetro couple.

Once you remove the religious elements of the marriage rites, you are left with a civil contract. And it is that element of the civil contract that creates the in-equality before the law.

So for me at least that is the single major reason I support gay marriage. Having said that I wont entertain any requirement of any faith to marry such couples within the rites of their church