Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[goldcoast_tiger]

HT, if you and four or five of your mates were able to convince a govt body that you were entitled to a bucketload of money and pension or whatever payments every week, and got sprung after , let's say, 10 years.
Do you think that you should get a rap across the fingers, or do you think it would be looked at as serious,
I've seen the result , about 8 years ago, after a woman bought a house that we were selling
About six month later I had a visit from the AFP asking whether we thought she was in a relationship. I didn't have a clue either way , yet still got called as a witness. And as far as I could see , no one else had much to add to what I knew
The result on pretty flimsy evidence was …..Pay it all back + 3 years holiday.
No one cared much about her family in that case.
There's miles more evidence here that this lot have been collecting our money ( Govt have no money of their own it's OUR money , that they are throwing around ). while not being in the Parliament legally.
Funny that there's one rule forguilty people out in the public domain and one for anyone in politics. Especially Deputy PMs
Then again the Lady I mentioned wasn't needed to help keep a Govt in place , due to a permanently in crisis, PM

Call me old fashioned GCT, but it's a very different story between

1) Not knowing that you were technically ineligible to serve government and working hard for a paycheck; to
2) Purposefully deceiving government for increased dole payments (and not working for that money).

Would anyone have voted any differently if they had known he had duel citizenship? No. of course they wouldn't.

We honestly have far more important issues to be talking about.
It's does my head in that we focus more on drama these days than what's going to better our lives.

True , but even if the people in the example were getting over paid without know ing they were getting more than they should. When found out, no matter how long it had been happening they'd have to pay ALL of the money back

 

[Tim Sheens]

HT, if you and four or five of your mates were able to convince a govt body that you were entitled to a bucketload of money and pension or whatever payments every week, and got sprung after , let's say, 10 years.
Do you think that you should get a rap across the fingers, or do you think it would be looked at as serious,
I've seen the result , about 8 years ago, after a woman bought a house that we were selling
About six month later I had a visit from the AFP asking whether we thought she was in a relationship. I didn't have a clue either way , yet still got called as a witness. And as far as I could see , no one else had much to add to what I knew
The result on pretty flimsy evidence was …..Pay it all back + 3 years holiday.
No one cared much about her family in that case.
There's miles more evidence here that this lot have been collecting our money ( Govt have no money of their own it's OUR money , that they are throwing around ). while not being in the Parliament legally.
Funny that there's one rule forguilty people out in the public domain and one for anyone in politics. Especially Deputy PMs
Then again the Lady I mentioned wasn't needed to help keep a Govt in place , due to a permanently in crisis, PM

Call me old fashioned GCT, but it's a very different story between

1) Not knowing that you were technically ineligible to serve government and working hard for a paycheck; to
2) Purposefully deceiving government for increased dole payments (and not working for that money).

Would anyone have voted any differently if they had known he had duel citizenship? No. of course they wouldn't.

We honestly have far more important issues to be talking about.
It's does my head in that we focus more on drama these days than what's going to better our lives.

Pretty fair to say that many in the electorate would have voted differently had they known he was a dual citizen.

I think someone wanting to represent a hundred odd thousand constituents that signs a form declaring single citizenship knowing that a parent was born overseas and not checking the details is not deserving of representing those same people.

In such circumstance I believe they should be penalised in some shape or form for making a false declaration, being quite happy for the finance department to demand all payments above their base salary be repaid.

In the new case of Parry, well if he is that stupid to not declare it in the current climate so it could also be decided upon in the High Court, then he can pay back every cent

 

[Harvey]

Pretty fair to say that many in the electorate would have voted differently had they known he was a dual citizen.

I think someone wanting to represent a hundred odd thousand constituents that signs a form declaring single citizenship knowing that a parent was born overseas and not checking the details is not deserving of representing those same people.

In such circumstance I believe they should be penalised in some shape or form for making a false declaration, being quite happy for the finance department to demand all payments above their base salary be repaid.

Are you talking about Penny Wong?

 

[hammertime]

Pretty fair to say that many in the electorate would have voted differently had they known he was a dual citizen.

Well, we'll soon know.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Pretty fair to say that many in the electorate would have voted differently had they known he was a dual citizen.

I think someone wanting to represent a hundred odd thousand constituents that signs a form declaring single citizenship knowing that a parent was born overseas and not checking the details is not deserving of representing those same people.

In such circumstance I believe they should be penalised in some shape or form for making a false declaration, being quite happy for the finance department to demand all payments above their base salary be repaid.

Are you talking about Penny Wong?

Pretty butch, but would not mention her as he. Plus she is not the deputy PM, but you never know.

Whilst I expect that her party's vetting process would not have let that slip through, each and every misrepresentation should be treated equally harshly.

 

[Nelson]

HT, if you and four or five of your mates were able to convince a govt body that you were entitled to a bucketload of money and pension or whatever payments every week, and got sprung after , let's say, 10 years.
Do you think that you should get a rap across the fingers, or do you think it would be looked at as serious,
I've seen the result , about 8 years ago, after a woman bought a house that we were selling
About six month later I had a visit from the AFP asking whether we thought she was in a relationship. I didn't have a clue either way , yet still got called as a witness. And as far as I could see , no one else had much to add to what I knew
The result on pretty flimsy evidence was …..Pay it all back + 3 years holiday.
No one cared much about her family in that case.
There's miles more evidence here that this lot have been collecting our money ( Govt have no money of their own it's OUR money , that they are throwing around ). while not being in the Parliament legally.
Funny that there's one rule forguilty people out in the public domain and one for anyone in politics. Especially Deputy PMs
Then again the Lady I mentioned wasn't needed to help keep a Govt in place , due to a permanently in crisis, PM

Call me old fashioned GCT, but it's a very different story between

1) Not knowing that you were technically ineligible to serve government and working hard for a paycheck; to
2) Purposefully deceiving government for increased dole payments (and not working for that money).

Would anyone have voted any differently if they had known he had duel citizenship? No. of course they wouldn't.

We honestly have far more important issues to be talking about.
It's does my head in that we focus more on drama these days than what's going to better our lives.

True , but even if the people in the example were getting over paid without know ing they were getting more than they should. When found out, no matter how long it had been happening they'd have to pay ALL of the money back

You're contrasting people getting overpaid welfare payments i.e. payments they do nothing to earn with people getting paid to do a job. I may not particularly like most politicians but they do work very hard and many of them are forced to spend significant time away from their families. Making them pay back everything back and financially crippling their families seems pretty mean-spirited to me.

 

[magpiecol]

ABC just discussing the lack of ethics of some in the press in attempting to cover up Cash misleading Parliament. Apparently it was well known Cash's Office had tipped off the press to the AWU raid yet press were happy to allow Cash to mislead Parliament five times before Buzzfeed News outed Cash's office.

ABC discussing ethics?

They would not know how to spell it.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

HT, if you and four or five of your mates were able to convince a govt body that you were entitled to a bucketload of money and pension or whatever payments every week, and got sprung after , let's say, 10 years.
Do you think that you should get a rap across the fingers, or do you think it would be looked at as serious,
I've seen the result , about 8 years ago, after a woman bought a house that we were selling
About six month later I had a visit from the AFP asking whether we thought she was in a relationship. I didn't have a clue either way , yet still got called as a witness. And as far as I could see , no one else had much to add to what I knew
The result on pretty flimsy evidence was …..Pay it all back + 3 years holiday.
No one cared much about her family in that case.
There's miles more evidence here that this lot have been collecting our money ( Govt have no money of their own it's OUR money , that they are throwing around ). while not being in the Parliament legally.
Funny that there's one rule forguilty people out in the public domain and one for anyone in politics. Especially Deputy PMs
Then again the Lady I mentioned wasn't needed to help keep a Govt in place , due to a permanently in crisis, PM

Call me old fashioned GCT, but it's a very different story between

1) Not knowing that you were technically ineligible to serve government and working hard for a paycheck; to
2) Purposefully deceiving government for increased dole payments (and not working for that money).

Would anyone have voted any differently if they had known he had duel citizenship? No. of course they wouldn't.

We honestly have far more important issues to be talking about.
It's does my head in that we focus more on drama these days than what's going to better our lives.

True , but even if the people in the example were getting over paid without know ing they were getting more than they should. When found out, no matter how long it had been happening they'd have to pay ALL of the money back

You're contrasting people getting overpaid welfare payments i.e. payments they do nothing to earn with people getting paid to do a job. I may not particularly like most politicians but they do work very hard and many of them are forced to spend significant time away from their families. Making them pay back everything back and financially crippling their families seems pretty mean-spirited to me.

I'm contrasting people who have done nothing wrong having to pay it back, against people who were illegally getting our money and being allowed to keep it.
As has been said often lately ignorance of a law isn't a defence for breaking it
I don't care what their circumstances are, if they're too lazy or sneaky, or just plain stupid to make sure they are qualified to suck money from the public. ( which is all a lot of them do, )
That's their problem.
One things for sure they won't be doing it again.

Do you approve of Joice picking up a motza in money which will go to him for EVERY vote that he gets in the by election that he caused , by crapping on about being innocent. Something like $3 dollars per voteand it won't be needed for his election , so it goes in his pocket. A nice little present for his dishonesty, , but then again, what would we expect from a politician.
But wouldn't it be good if he offered to pay it back , Fat Bloody Chance!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Another moronic politician isin the Poo, this is going to get interesting as this time he’s a liberal

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

HT, if you and four or five of your mates were able to convince a govt body that you were entitled to a bucketload of money and pension or whatever payments every week, and got sprung after , let's say, 10 years.
Do you think that you should get a rap across the fingers, or do you think it would be looked at as serious,
I've seen the result , about 8 years ago, after a woman bought a house that we were selling
About six month later I had a visit from the AFP asking whether we thought she was in a relationship. I didn't have a clue either way , yet still got called as a witness. And as far as I could see , no one else had much to add to what I knew
The result on pretty flimsy evidence was …..Pay it all back + 3 years holiday.
No one cared much about her family in that case.
There's miles more evidence here that this lot have been collecting our money ( Govt have no money of their own it's OUR money , that they are throwing around ). while not being in the Parliament legally.
Funny that there's one rule forguilty people out in the public domain and one for anyone in politics. Especially Deputy PMs
Then again the Lady I mentioned wasn't needed to help keep a Govt in place , due to a permanently in crisis, PM

Call me old fashioned GCT, but it's a very different story between

1) Not knowing that you were technically ineligible to serve government and working hard for a paycheck; to
2) Purposefully deceiving government for increased dole payments (and not working for that money).

Would anyone have voted any differently if they had known he had duel citizenship? No. of course they wouldn't.

We honestly have far more important issues to be talking about.
It's does my head in that we focus more on drama these days than what's going to better our lives.

True , but even if the people in the example were getting over paid without know ing they were getting more than they should. When found out, no matter how long it had been happening they'd have to pay ALL of the money back

You're contrasting people getting overpaid welfare payments i.e. payments they do nothing to earn with people getting paid to do a job. I may not particularly like most politicians but they do work very hard and many of them are forced to spend significant time away from their families. Making them pay back everything back and financially crippling their families seems pretty mean-spirited to me.

Everything above and beyond their parliamentary wage and base superannuation (9.5%,) should be paid back IMO. They should get no pension either.

There's a provision in the constitution isn't there that they can be taken for damages to the tune of 100 pounds per day they have illegally sat in office, isn't there? Surprised no opportunist has jumped on that yet.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

ABC just discussing the lack of ethics of some in the press in attempting to cover up Cash misleading Parliament. Apparently it was well known Cash's Office had tipped off the press to the AWU raid yet press were happy to allow Cash to mislead Parliament five times before Buzzfeed News outed Cash's office.

ABC discussing ethics?

They would not know how to spell it.

Interesting that the ABC were not tipped off like the other media outlets which leads the observer to conclude there was political motivation to the exercise. Certainly the ABC made the point of highlighting this to the viewers. As for ethics, allowing a Minister to mislead Parliament and not be called to account for it is a new low in Australian Politics.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Everything above and beyond their parliamentary wage and base superannuation (9.5%,) should be paid back IMO. They should get no pension either.

There's a provision in the constitution isn't there that they can be taken for damages to the tune of 100 pounds per day they have illegally sat in office, isn't there? Surprised no opportunist has jumped on that yet.

Some lifelong academic will surely take up the opportunity… The problem is, have they 'illegally' sat in office?

The HC ruling determining they are ineligible effectively means if they stay in office any longer past the ruling date deems it illegal. Prior to that, the majority of these politicians where seeking clarification if the constitution covered uncle grubers budgie being born in Afghanistan can make them a citizen of another country without making application for such citizenship in that country.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Everything above and beyond their parliamentary wage and base superannuation (9.5%,) should be paid back IMO. They should get no pension either.

There's a provision in the constitution isn't there that they can be taken for damages to the tune of 100 pounds per day they have illegally sat in office, isn't there? Surprised no opportunist has jumped on that yet.

Some lifelong academic will surely take up the opportunity… The problem is, have they 'illegally' sat in office?

The HC ruling determining they are ineligible effectively means if they stay in office any longer past the ruling date deems it illegal. Prior to that, the majority of these politicians where seeking clarification if the constitution covered uncle grubers budgie being born in Afghanistan can make them a citizen of another country without making application for such citizenship in that country.

Well the High Court has ruled they were ineligible to be elected into the position, so yeah they have illegally sat in office as they didn't meet the eligibility to be elected in the first place. Section 44 is very black and white, the pollies were trying to introduce a grey area by way of talking about conferring citizenship without one knowing. Whether they knew or not, they were still dual citizens and there's no provision that I've read about in Section 44 that absolves them in that scenario.

Again, going back to the speeding analogy if I don't know I'm speeding but I pass a speed camera and I get booked, I can't argue that I didn't know.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Everything above and beyond their parliamentary wage and base superannuation (9.5%,) should be paid back IMO. They should get no pension either.

There's a provision in the constitution isn't there that they can be taken for damages to the tune of 100 pounds per day they have illegally sat in office, isn't there? Surprised no opportunist has jumped on that yet.

Some lifelong academic will surely take up the opportunity… The problem is, have they 'illegally' sat in office?

The HC ruling determining they are ineligible effectively means if they stay in office any longer past the ruling date deems it illegal. Prior to that, the majority of these politicians where seeking clarification if the constitution covered uncle grubers budgie being born in Afghanistan can make them a citizen of another country without making application for such citizenship in that country.

Well the High Court has ruled they were ineligible to be elected into the position, so yeah they have illegally sat in office as they didn't meet the eligibility to be elected in the first place. Section 44 is very black and white, the pollies were trying to introduce a grey area.

Again, going back to the speeding analogy if I don't know I'm speeding but I pass a speed camera and I get booked, I can't argue that I didn't know.

Your probably right… Its obvious in the HC black & white decision on this subject they dont have the balls to apply interpretation to the relevance of such citizenship.

Lets get class action going!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Everything above and beyond their parliamentary wage and base superannuation (9.5%,) should be paid back IMO. They should get no pension either.

There's a provision in the constitution isn't there that they can be taken for damages to the tune of 100 pounds per day they have illegally sat in office, isn't there? Surprised no opportunist has jumped on that yet.

Some lifelong academic will surely take up the opportunity… The problem is, have they 'illegally' sat in office?

The HC ruling determining they are ineligible effectively means if they stay in office any longer past the ruling date deems it illegal. Prior to that, the majority of these politicians where seeking clarification if the constitution covered uncle grubers budgie being born in Afghanistan can make them a citizen of another country without making application for such citizenship in that country.

Well the High Court has ruled they were ineligible to be elected into the position, so yeah they have illegally sat in office as they didn't meet the eligibility to be elected in the first place. Section 44 is very black and white, the pollies were trying to introduce a grey area.

Again, going back to the speeding analogy if I don't know I'm speeding but I pass a speed camera and I get booked, I can't argue that I didn't know.

Your probably right… Its obvious in the HC black & white decision on this subject they dont have the balls to apply interpretation to the relevance of such citizenship.

Lets get class action going!

As much as I dislike the bloke if there was any room for interpretation, Joyce would and should have been the first pollie in question absolved. A class example of another country's laws inadvertently influencing Australian politics, which incidentally was what Section 44 was written to prevent!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It's also amazing how some politicians have a world class ability to rort and abuse the system where it suits them (so much so that Nick Politis would be proud,) but seem to lack the basic ability to make sure that they're eligible to sit for parliament.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

It's also amazing how some politicians have a world class ability to rort and abuse the system where it suits them (so much so that Nick Politis would be proud,) but seem to lack the basic ability to make sure that they're eligible to sit for parliament.

And then we have Di Natale on the ABC calling for a full audit, trying to make out S44 is some arcane process which pollies can easily fall foul of. How about they don't sign the stat dec unless they meet requirements of S44?

 

[Tim Sheens]

I fully support the notion that there should be no ambiguity regarding a federally elected representative's allegiance and as such the single Australian citizenship requirement is valid. That said, the irony of having a few of our representatives removed for having British citizenship makes me chuckle, particularly so when all their colleagues have to swear allegiance to our head of state, being the British queen.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

It's also amazing how some politicians have a world class ability to rort and abuse the system where it suits them (so much so that Nick Politis would be proud,) but seem to lack the basic ability to make sure that they're eligible to sit for parliament.

And then we have Di Natale on the ABC calling for a full audit, trying to make out S44 is some arcane process which pollies can easily fall foul of. How about they don't sign the stat dec unless they meet requirements of S44?

The same Di Natale that forgot to declare a $2m residence? He's just as corrupt as the rest of them.

I do agree with you though.

 

[magpiecol]

ABC just discussing the lack of ethics of some in the press in attempting to cover up Cash misleading Parliament. Apparently it was well known Cash's Office had tipped off the press to the AWU raid yet press were happy to allow Cash to mislead Parliament five times before Buzzfeed News outed Cash's office.

ABC discussing ethics?

They would not know how to spell it.

Interesting that the ABC were not tipped off like the other media outlets which leads the observer to conclude there was political motivation to the exercise. Certainly the ABC made the point of highlighting this to the viewers. As for ethics, allowing a Minister to mislead Parliament and not be called to account for it is a new low in Australian Politics.

Most of the media are left wing, so why not the ABC?. They are so far left it's laughable