Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[colmcd]

Certainly would as the emissions from many such a Chinese factory is from producing the excessive amount of goods consumed by 50 average Joe type families in their lifetime. Obviously, this makes our footprint considerably worse than the already three times per capita average produced on our shores, but unlike the ignorant, you already know that, so I was somewhat surprised to read that.

Not sure where your getting this from. On average a Chinese person now has the same carbon footprint as a European citizen. So no, our footprint is not worse, unless you are comparing us to African tribesman who spear their dinner and wash their clothes by smacking it on rocks down at the river. Is living a third world existence appealling to you?

We aren't going to agree on this, as you have your ideology firmly in place. Just don't expect it to lower the sea levels anytime soon.

Not ideology, an opinion based on facts, some of which you ignored when replying above, as per capita emissions are totally different to a carbon footprint. I have spent a short time amongst those living a third world existence and thoroughly enjoyed my time there, as I always do when visiting villages in developing countries, so I suggest you trek to a remote village to sample for yourself.

The self aggrandizement is thick in this post. I just wonder to myself , if you thoroughly enjoyed your poverty tourism so much, then why did you come back to your first world lifestyle in Australia?

I don't need to trek anywhere to sample other people's suffering, because that was my family a generation ago.

I shouldn't need to point out that living a third world existence is not a goal for any person. Especially those living actually it, and not just ducking in to pat themselves on the back.

If you want to reduce your carbon footprint by heating a tin of baked beans over a burning pile of leaves for dinner, then go for it. I prefer my air conditioning, my flushing toilet, my on-demand hot water, and the carbon footprint that goes with it.

And guess what, so does literally every other person alive today. That's why no-one sets a goal to become poverty stricken.

Wait, what does "On average a Chinese person now has the same carbon footprint as a European citizen. " have to do with an Australian Citizens carbon footprint?

Yes China is similar too Europe about 7.6 tonne's per capita. But Australia's is far more, 16.3 Tonne's. Were generating far more carbon when Solar just makes so SO much sense for Australia.

 

[magpiecol]

Not sure where your getting this from. On average a Chinese person now has the same carbon footprint as a European citizen. So no, our footprint is not worse, unless you are comparing us to African tribesman who spear their dinner and wash their clothes by smacking it on rocks down at the river. Is living a third world existence appealling to you?

We aren't going to agree on this, as you have your ideology firmly in place. Just don't expect it to lower the sea levels anytime soon.

Not ideology, an opinion based on facts, some of which you ignored when replying above, as per capita emissions are totally different to a carbon footprint. I have spent a short time amongst those living a third world existence and thoroughly enjoyed my time there, as I always do when visiting villages in developing countries, so I suggest you trek to a remote village to sample for yourself.

The self aggrandizement is thick in this post. I just wonder to myself , if you thoroughly enjoyed your poverty tourism so much, then why did you come back to your first world lifestyle in Australia?

I don't need to trek anywhere to sample other people's suffering, because that was my family a generation ago.

I shouldn't need to point out that living a third world existence is not a goal for any person. Especially those living actually it, and not just ducking in to pat themselves on the back.

If you want to reduce your carbon footprint by heating a tin of baked beans over a burning pile of leaves for dinner, then go for it. I prefer my air conditioning, my flushing toilet, my on-demand hot water, and the carbon footprint that goes with it.

And guess what, so does literally every other person alive today. That's why no-one sets a goal to become poverty stricken.

Wait, what does "On average a Chinese person now has the same carbon footprint as a European citizen. " have to do with an Australian Citizens carbon footprint?

Yes China is similar too Europe about 7.6 tonne's per capita. But Australia's is far more, 16.3 Tonne's. Were generating far more carbon when Solar just makes so SO much sense for Australia.

You really have no idea,have you.

:roll :roll

 

[Abraham]

Wow you're thicker than i gave you credit for .

I'll write in short sentences for you.

You're arguing against yourself here. I said none of the things your writing about above. You obviously don't fall into the double digits category. I'm actually feeling sorry for you at this point.

The moment has passed. This was last week's conversation. So now you can move on with your life and find some new imaginary post to argue about.

Good day.

>So now you can move on with your life and find some new imaginary post to argue about.
Sorry Abe, I am not Fox news.

Just so we are on the same page … so you're not a cable news network ?

Asking for a friend.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You really have no idea,have you.

:roll :roll

Speaking of no idea, how are you going with your sources about the wall?

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Changing topics, did anyone note Pell has been removed from a Vatican cabinet? The timing is intriguing especially with the details of a big court case for a prominent Australian in Melbourne being supressed.

 

[jadtiger]

Changing topics, did anyone note Pell has been removed from a Vatican cabinet? The timing is intriguing especially with the details of a big court case for a prominent Australian in Melbourne being supressed.

Yes but he is still the treasurer for the vatican.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Changing topics, did anyone note Pell has been removed from a Vatican cabinet? The timing is intriguing especially with the details of a big court case for a prominent Australian in Melbourne being supressed.

Yes, very interesting.

On a side note, anyone who posts anything that is contrary to said order will have their posts deleted.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Changing topics, did anyone note Pell has been removed from a Vatican cabinet? The timing is intriguing especially with the details of a big court case for a prominent Australian in Melbourne being supressed.

Yes, very interesting.

On a side note, anyone who posts anything that is contrary to said order will have their posts deleted.

Thanks for the advice. Bing is our friend.

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

Re Renewables! For a nation as apparently committed to Renewables such as Solar Panels etc let us pause and reflect on the following:

Not one Company manufactures Solar Panels in Australia. Not one! Most are imported from CHINA - who build them using Australian Coal and then export them into OZ! The rest come in from mostly Germany.

There is ONLY 1 Firm in OZ that ASSEMBLES Solar panels - imported from Germany - Tindo Solar - Mawson Lakes South Australia - but they claim they make them here - No they don't! http://www.tindosolar.com.au/ Assembly is not manufacturing! Meanwhile, if Fossil fuels are being punted by 2050 - how will our gabillion dollar "diesel" submarines be powered, if there are no fossil fuels left in 2080 when the Subs are fully operational?

 

[happy_tiger]

John Kelly gone now , poor old Trumpy will be calling Col next ….

 

[Harvey]

Why have recent US presidents been referred to as, “The leader of the free world”, yet no one refers to Mr Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon that way?

 

[mike]

Changing topics, did anyone note Pell has been removed from a Vatican cabinet? The timing is intriguing especially with the details of a big court case for a prominent Australian in Melbourne being supressed.

Yes, very interesting.

On a side note, anyone who posts anything that is contrary to said order will have their posts deleted.

I understand why the order was made but I think the judicial system has made a very poor and naive judgement. The world is very small now and information can no longer be contained within borders. It’s a very, very bad look.

 

[jadtiger]

Why have recent US presidents been referred to as, “The leader of the free world”, yet no one refers to Mr Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon that way?

Probably because if he is the leader what does it say about the people he leads?Nothing good in my opinion

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Changing topics, did anyone note Pell has been removed from a Vatican cabinet? The timing is intriguing especially with the details of a big court case for a prominent Australian in Melbourne being supressed.

Yes, very interesting.

On a side note, anyone who posts anything that is contrary to said order will have their posts deleted.

I understand why the order was made but I think the judicial system has made a very poor and naive judgement. The world is very small now and information can no longer be contained within borders. It’s a very, very bad look.

From what I have heard, it was the prosecution that requested to suppression to avoid an impartiality decision on a separate case.

 

[mike]

Changing topics, did anyone note Pell has been removed from a Vatican cabinet? The timing is intriguing especially with the details of a big court case for a prominent Australian in Melbourne being supressed.

Yes, very interesting.

On a side note, anyone who posts anything that is contrary to said order will have their posts deleted.

I understand why the order was made but I think the judicial system has made a very poor and naive judgement. The world is very small now and information can no longer be contained within borders. It’s a very, very bad look.

From what I have heard, it was the prosecution that requested to suppression to avoid an impartiality decision on a separate case.

It was, but the reasons used are pretty poor in modern Australia. The population is big enough and diverse enough that it wouldn’t have been an issue. The request should have been refused by the judiciary. If it was the bloke down the road they would never have granted such a request and it would have been plastered across all media.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If you are the victim in the second trial and the accused walks free because of trial by media you'd be ropeable. You'd want justice for the wrongs against you even if the verdict and subsequent sentencing is considered academic.

 

[mike]

If you are the victim in the second trial and the accused walks free because of trial by media you'd be ropeable. You'd want justice for the wrongs against you even if the verdict and subsequent sentencing is considered academic.

I don’t believe that would be the case in this instance. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I think we will mate.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Certainly would as the emissions from many such a Chinese factory is from producing the excessive amount of goods consumed by 50 average Joe type families in their lifetime. Obviously, this makes our footprint considerably worse than the already three times per capita average produced on our shores, but unlike the ignorant, you already know that, so I was somewhat surprised to read that.

Not sure where your getting this from. On average a Chinese person now has the same carbon footprint as a European citizen. So no, our footprint is not worse, unless you are comparing us to African tribesman who spear their dinner and wash their clothes by smacking it on rocks down at the river. Is living a third world existence appealling to you?

We aren't going to agree on this, as you have your ideology firmly in place. Just don't expect it to lower the sea levels anytime soon.

Not ideology, an opinion based on facts, some of which you ignored when replying above, as per capita emissions are totally different to a carbon footprint. I have spent a short time amongst those living a third world existence and thoroughly enjoyed my time there, as I always do when visiting villages in developing countries, so I suggest you trek to a remote village to sample for yourself.

The self aggrandizement is thick in this post. I just wonder to myself , if you thoroughly enjoyed your poverty tourism so much, then why did you come back to your first world lifestyle in Australia?

I don't need to trek anywhere to sample other people's suffering, because that was my family a generation ago.

I shouldn't need to point out that living a third world existence is not a goal for any person. Especially those living actually it, and not just ducking in to pat themselves on the back.

If you want to reduce your carbon footprint by heating a tin of baked beans over a burning pile of leaves for dinner, then go for it. I prefer my air conditioning, my flushing toilet, my on-demand hot water, and the carbon footprint that goes with it.

And guess what, so does literally every other person alive today. That's why no-one sets a goal to become poverty stricken.

Yes, I am proud to spend time with those that are not ruining our shared planet and have spoken to my wife about living a simpler life after our son finishes his education, but you brought it up, not me and once again it is simply another fact.

Conversely, last night we went shopping and I ate in a food court for the first time in many years and was disgusted by what I saw. The amount of packaging was absolutely ridiculous and was the perfect example of just how wrong we as the supposed advanced of our species have become. The good thing is that whilst my son does not yet have a reasonable understanding of what a carbon footprint is, he said to me, "that is why we have islands of plastic and rubbish forming in our oceans".

He also said that he would eat at home or elsewhere next time and tell his mother that easy dinner is not good, which is an example of an individual making a difference. To your other post, no, I do not expect everyone to live a third world existence and don't think anywhere near that level is required, but I certainly expect a lot more effort from many in our community and particularly those such as yourself and our government.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Not ideology, an opinion based on facts, some of which you ignored when replying above, as per capita emissions are totally different to a carbon footprint. I have spent a short time amongst those living a third world existence and thoroughly enjoyed my time there, as I always do when visiting villages in developing countries, so I suggest you trek to a remote village to sample for yourself.

How was the plumbing?

:brick:

Obviously archaic and probably nearly as much so as the thinking of the guy which you see reflected in a mirror.

Ah the personal attack. No facts to argue so let's just denigrate someone who doesn't agree with you.

Deniers are bad people, who don't care about the planet as much as us believers.

:deadhorse:

I don't think that you are a bad person Col, many other things, but not bad.

Facts, they are the things that you very, very rarely, if ever provide and mine are shown in the posts prior to that which you have quoted above. Come out from behind one of the few prototype sections of wall that your mate has arranged to be erected and argue against them by all means if you want to, but there is only one truth and that is why they have not been disputed by other figures. If you have a case to put forward, how about just a little substance to go with your favourite colourful characters that you so often click on.

As for personal attacks, you quoted me with a wise crack and this :brick: to begin with, and what on earth do you think one of your commonly used :crazy icons means?