Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[GNR4LIFE]

This global warming/ Global freezing/ Climate change frenzy has been going on for over 50 years.

Probably the greatest hoax ever. I guess in another 50 years the same sheep will be still bleating that the end of the world is upon us.

As for Thunberg, anyone who takes notice of a 16 year old, with little or no education, have rocks in their head. Anyway, all you young zealots will have something to tell your grandchildren.

I know someone who took notice. Someone very insecure, and jealous she won something over him. Snowflake.


She got an award from a failed magazine and he got the Presidency. He would be really, really jealous.

You haters should really take a bex and have a good lie down. You will be having 5 more years of Mr Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and if the Democrats keep on their path of self destruction, another 4 years of a Republican president.

Hope you can survive. However, between that scenario and the end of the world as we know it, I doubt that you will.

PS. The magazine surveyed its readers as to whom the award should go. Do you know who won?

The protesters in Hong Kong. Can you see an agenda here?

You even use the same terminology as him. How sad to be that brainwashed.

And as for not being jealous, I guess it was just a coincidence that he took a shot at her, a day after she won something he covets more than anything. Too bad.

 

[jadtiger]

This global warming/ Global freezing/ Climate change frenzy has been going on for over 50 years.

Probably the greatest hoax ever. I guess in another 50 years the same sheep will be still bleating that the end of the world is upon us.

As for Thunberg, anyone who takes notice of a 16 year old, with little or no education, have rocks in their head. Anyway, all you young zealots will have something to tell your grandchildren.

It is hardly a scam,the only people being scammed are people like you who believe that what is happening all over the world is normal because the vested interests in fossil fuels tell you it is.It is also hardly just "young" people who believe it is happening most people my age know it is happening and i am 66.
You are very much in the minority


The reason I mentioned grandchildren was not to denigrate young people but to make the point that the world will still be here when they are grandparents. Wise up!

If you are 66 then you will certainly know that not much has changed since you and I were born.

Maybe not much has changed as far as you are concerned but a lot has changed for me.When i was a child nuclear war was always seen as the only threat to humanity.These days you can add global warming(which you stick your head in the sand about) terrorism is now a huge threat compared to then, nuclear war not only still exists but the amount of countries who have those weapons has gone from about 3 up to about 8/9.Also the threat of terrorists getting their hands on "dirty"bombs is feasable to the point of probable in the near future.
When i die the world will be in a far more precarious position than when i was born,i honestly fear for the future generations.

 

[Snake]

Do not forget the VESTED interests that Obama, Gore ,Turnbull , Musk etc have in there fortunes invested in renewable energy and are huge advocates and on the main stages crying like babies about how the world is going to end so there fortunes grow ! you see you can fool some off the people some of the time . This is why there are so many sceptics and of course us old farts that actually know what the weather was actually like a long time ago You know floods , fires, extreme heat etc ect just saying ! Who is financing that young lady ?And yes climate does change that’s life 👍

 

[TillLindemann]

Geez, it's quite an elaborate conspiracy, to organise tens of thousands of scientists in countries from all over the world to do fake research for decades pretending that greenhouse gas emissions leads to heating of the climate, all so Al Gore can get rich and Greta can win an award!

Or..... maybe it's not a conspiracy at all?

The Daily Telegraph never reports anything correctly about the Wests Tigers, but we're supposed to believe ranting writers for papers like this know more about science than scientists?

 

[Tim Sheens]

This global warming/ Global freezing/ Climate change frenzy has been going on for over 50 years.

Probably the greatest hoax ever. I guess in another 50 years the same sheep will be still bleating that the end of the world is upon us.

As for Thunberg, anyone who takes notice of a 16 year old, with little or no education, have rocks in their head. Anyway, all you young zealots will have something to tell your grandchildren.

It is hardly a scam,the only people being scammed are people like you who believe that what is happening all over the world is normal because the vested interests in fossil fuels tell you it is.It is also hardly just "young" people who believe it is happening most people my age know it is happening and i am 66.
You are very much in the minority


The reason I mentioned grandchildren was not to denigrate young people but to make the point that the world will still be here when they are grandparents. Wise up!

If you are 66 then you will certainly know that not much has changed since you and I were born.

Not much has changed in 66years, surely you have got to be joking Col. You are right now reading this, which is part of an exponentially changing world, and apart from it's shape, a very different place in so many ways.

I believe that you are a little older than @jadtiger, but even if you are not, please open just about any educational resource or mapping to see just how much it has changed in that time. You could even take a very singular view and look to your own city, which has a population almost 300 percent larger. Then, if inclined, you could also check our planet's figures and you will find that it's population has also risen a multiple of about 3 times during his lifetime.

Maybe you don't care much for your legacy, but if you do have grandchildren that will be living on this planet, are you not concerned that they will be struggling in a deteriorating environment that you had a big hand in creating, or worse still, them thinking of you as seemingly nice enough, but in reality was a dick.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Whilst so many nations are taking decisive action to reduce pollution, the leaders of Australia, US and Brazil pretend nothing is happening as their countries burn whilst derailing progress. Worse still, Morrison sends our prolific liar in Angus Taylor there as our representative and only for half of the meeting's duration, with a directive to have our actual Paris commitment levels reduced to nearly half by accounting trickery.

The architect of the Paris accord, told the Financial Times: “If you want this carryover it is just cheating. Australia was willing in a way to destroy the whole system, because that is the way to destroy the whole Paris agreement.”

Using the credits would reduce what Australia needs to do to meet its 2030 target of a minimum 26% cut in emissions below 2005 levels by more than half. Analysts said there was no legal basis for Australia using the credits as the Kyoto and Paris agreements were separate treaties, and noted officials had acknowledged Australia was the only country planning to still count them.

 The conference fell victim to the base positions of a handful of major polluting countries, Australia included

 

[JD Tiger]

Whilst so many nations are taking decisive action to reduce pollution, the leaders of Australia, US and Brazil pretend nothing is happening as their countries burn whilst derailing progress. Worse still, Morrison sends our prolific liar in Angus Taylor there as our representative and only for half of the meeting's duration, with a directive to have our actual Paris commitment levels reduced to nearly half by accounting trickery.

The architect of the Paris accord, told the Financial Times: “If you want this carryover it is just cheating. Australia was willing in a way to destroy the whole system, because that is the way to destroy the whole Paris agreement.”

Using the credits would reduce what Australia needs to do to meet its 2030 target of a minimum 26% cut in emissions below 2005 levels by more than half. Analysts said there was no legal basis for Australia using the credits as the Kyoto and Paris agreements were separate treaties, and noted officials had acknowledged Australia was the only country planning to still count them.

 The conference fell victim to the base positions of a handful of major polluting countries, Australia included

Wow, that's embarrassing for us as a country. If our leaders can't organise the country to do what the rest of the world is trying to do, then they aren't fit to be our leaders. It's too hard? Or they just don't care? Excuses, not good enough.

Serious questoon - would the other mob do any better if they got in?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

This global warming/ Global freezing/ Climate change frenzy has been going on for over 50 years.

Probably the greatest hoax ever. I guess in another 50 years the same sheep will be still bleating that the end of the world is upon us.

As for Thunberg, anyone who takes notice of a 16 year old, with little or no education, have rocks in their head. Anyway, all you young zealots will have something to tell your grandchildren.

Col, I gave facts about how my industry contributes to anthropomorphic climate change, and challenged you to provide your facts to refute the evidence. This was 12-24 months ago.

Now that you're parroting again, I can assume you'll answer this post.

N.B. Your opinion is not fact.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Whilst so many nations are taking decisive action to reduce pollution, the leaders of Australia, US and Brazil pretend nothing is happening as their countries burn whilst derailing progress. Worse still, Morrison sends our prolific liar in Angus Taylor there as our representative and only for half of the meeting's duration, with a directive to have our actual Paris commitment levels reduced to nearly half by accounting trickery.

The architect of the Paris accord, told the Financial Times: “If you want this carryover it is just cheating. Australia was willing in a way to destroy the whole system, because that is the way to destroy the whole Paris agreement.”

Using the credits would reduce what Australia needs to do to meet its 2030 target of a minimum 26% cut in emissions below 2005 levels by more than half. Analysts said there was no legal basis for Australia using the credits as the Kyoto and Paris agreements were separate treaties, and noted officials had acknowledged Australia was the only country planning to still count them.

 The conference fell victim to the base positions of a handful of major polluting countries, Australia included

Wow, that's embarrassing for us as a country. If our leaders can't organise the country to do what the rest of the world is trying to do, then they aren't fit to be our leaders. It's too hard? Or they just don't care? Excuses, not good enough.

Serious questoon - would the other mob do any better if they got in?

Serious answer - definitely and not only that area, also in pretty well all areas, including the economy.

One party has a history of implementing structure, both at social and economic levels, whilst the other has a history of trying to tear the best of them apart. Dismantling whatever they can get away with, this time around being the repairs to basic superannuation and a working emission reduction scheme that were destroyed as soon as they could.

Don't believe it, fine (and not meaning you specifically JD), but don't just swallow their narrative and that of media masters, have a look at actual performance over the decades. The current mob took over in 2013 from a government which was praised worldwide for it's handling of the GFC and held the number 1 ranking for economic management in the OECD in the midst of international turmoil. The coalition's policies having it rapidly sliding down to now be around 34th in performance.

So whilst the world has long again been marching forward in good economic times, these self labeled great economic managers have more than doubled our national debt as we quickly slipped behind so many others. They have not yet achieved a budget surplus, which is on the back of resources prices and still may not, but would so easily have if the mineral and resources tax had been introduced, rather than fought against. Not to mention having had to borrow a lot less, rather than fill corporate pockets.

Anyhow, probably enough from me, but this guy has me so angry. Much more so than the Abbott's and Abetz's, as you knew where these guys were coming from and what to expect, whereas Scamo is is the proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing and I actually hate the guy.

 

[colinbh]

This global warming/ Global freezing/ Climate change frenzy has been going on for over 50 years.

Probably the greatest hoax ever. I guess in another 50 years the same sheep will be still bleating that the end of the world is upon us.

As for Thunberg, anyone who takes notice of a 16 year old, with little or no education, have rocks in their head. Anyway, all you young zealots will have something to tell your grandchildren.

It is hardly a scam,the only people being scammed are people like you who believe that what is happening all over the world is normal because the vested interests in fossil fuels tell you it is.It is also hardly just "young" people who believe it is happening most people my age know it is happening and i am 66.
You are very much in the minority


The reason I mentioned grandchildren was not to denigrate young people but to make the point that the world will still be here when they are grandparents. Wise up!

If you are 66 then you will certainly know that not much has changed since you and I were born.

Not much has changed in 66years, surely you have got to be joking Col. You are right now reading this, which is part of an exponentially changing world, and apart from it's shape, a very different place in so many ways.

I believe that you are a little older than @jadtiger, but even if you are not, please open just about any educational resource or mapping to see just how much it has changed in that time. You could even take a very singular view and look to your own city, which has a population almost 300 percent larger. Then, if inclined, you could also check our planet's figures and you will find that it's population has also risen a multiple of about 3 times during his lifetime.

Maybe you don't care much for your legacy, but if you do have grandchildren that will be living on this planet, are you not concerned that they will be struggling in a deteriorating environment that you had a big hand in creating, or worse still, them thinking of you as seemingly nice enough, but in reality was a dick.

My grandkids will do just fine thanks.

Please don’t call me names, I will have to find a safe space.

 

[TillLindemann]

The sad thing is Australia - along with 2 or 3 other countries - were the roadblocks to a global agreement on more ambitious action by all countries at this recent meeting.

Ironically Australia's excuse for being dinosaurs is "there's no point us doing more when we're a small country - other countries are more important". And yet WE are the ones who got in the way of other countries agreeing to do more!

 

[colinbh]

Do not forget the VESTED interests that Obama, Gore ,Turnbull , Musk etc have in there fortunes invested in renewable energy and are huge advocates and on the main stages crying like babies about how the world is going to end so there fortunes grow ! you see you can fool some off the people some of the time . This is why there are so many sceptics and of course us old farts that actually know what the weather was actually like a long time ago You know floods , fires, extreme heat etc ect just saying ! Who is financing that young lady ?And yes climate does change that’s life 👍

Great post.

Obama was so concerned about climate change and rising sea levels, he just bought a house right on the coast!!

Has anyone checked out the size of Gore’s house and the energy it uses? Or the number of flights he makes in private jets?

Don’t do what I do,just do what I say. Hypocrites.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Col answers everyone but me. Colour me surprised.

 

[TillLindemann]

Do not forget the VESTED interests that Obama, Gore ,Turnbull , Musk etc have in there fortunes invested in renewable energy and are huge advocates and on the main stages crying like babies about how the world is going to end so there fortunes grow ! you see you can fool some off the people some of the time . This is why there are so many sceptics and of course us old farts that actually know what the weather was actually like a long time ago You know floods , fires, extreme heat etc ect just saying ! Who is financing that young lady ?And yes climate does change that’s life ?


Great post.

Obama was so concerned about climate change and rising sea levels, he just bought a house right on the coast!!

Has anyone checked out the size of Gore’s house and the energy it uses? Or the number of flights he makes in private jets?

Don’t do what I do,just do what I say. Hypocrites.

This is basically the same argument as "the Minister for Health had a greasy Maccas meal the other night, therefore medicine is a hoax."

Seriously, Al Gore living in a big house is not an argument against the science of climate change. You lot always have to focus on personalities, like Al Gore or Greta, because you have no leg to stand on when it comes to the actual science.

 

[Tim Sheens]

This global warming/ Global freezing/ Climate change frenzy has been going on for over 50 years.

Probably the greatest hoax ever. I guess in another 50 years the same sheep will be still bleating that the end of the world is upon us.

As for Thunberg, anyone who takes notice of a 16 year old, with little or no education, have rocks in their head. Anyway, all you young zealots will have something to tell your grandchildren.

It is hardly a scam,the only people being scammed are people like you who believe that what is happening all over the world is normal because the vested interests in fossil fuels tell you it is.It is also hardly just "young" people who believe it is happening most people my age know it is happening and i am 66.
You are very much in the minority


The reason I mentioned grandchildren was not to denigrate young people but to make the point that the world will still be here when they are grandparents. Wise up!

If you are 66 then you will certainly know that not much has changed since you and I were born.

Not much has changed in 66years, surely you have got to be joking Col. You are right now reading this, which is part of an exponentially changing world, and apart from it's shape, a very different place in so many ways.

I believe that you are a little older than @jadtiger, but even if you are not, please open just about any educational resource or mapping to see just how much it has changed in that time. You could even take a very singular view and look to your own city, which has a population almost 300 percent larger. Then, if inclined, you could also check our planet's figures and you will find that it's population has also risen a multiple of about 3 times during his lifetime.

Maybe you don't care much for your legacy, but if you do have grandchildren that will be living on this planet, are you not concerned that they will be struggling in a deteriorating environment that you had a big hand in creating, or worse still, them thinking of you as seemingly nice enough, but in reality was a dick.


My grandkids will do just fine thanks.

Please don’t call me names, I will have to find a safe space.

Well, I didn't call you names, nor wanted to offend, rather just placed a short descriptive word to be understood as covering many potential thoughts.

Serious question/s Col and you won't need any statistics or other facts to answer, so it should be easy. Assuming that they are old enough, have you discussed your views on climate change with your grandchildren and if so, do they agree with you?

 

[happy_tiger]

Well Donny my boy ....your day has finally come

Time to eat cake

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/donald-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon-impeached-for-abuse-of-power-follow-live/ar-BBY8Gky

 

[dazza65]

won't stick - Republicans control the Senate......

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

no chance of sticking
remember they impeached Clinton in 1998
his approval rating increased.
the democrats are like the greens and left here in australia dont like the result dont accept the result
end of the day the silent majority will decide
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon as safe as houses

 

[weststigers]

Well Donny my boy ....your day has finally come

Time to eat cake

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/donald-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon-impeached-for-abuse-of-power-follow-live/ar-BBY8Gky

Impeachment sounds like a big bad word, but really it's just a process within congress that allows them to vote to...have a vote...on whether the President should be sacked.

There is no burden of proof, so what he is being impeached for has no court of law style evidence behind it, nor does it have to.

The Democrats have been trying this from the minute he got in, so it's no surprise. It will be squashed very quickly and the world will go back to normal again.

Play on...nothing to see here.

PS - don't know why you hate Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon so much...he's good for Democracy...we need a similar shake up in this country...too many career politicians keeping their jobs safe.

 

[weststigers]

no chance of sticking
remember they impeached Clinton in 1998
his approval rating increased.
the democrats are like the greens and left here in australia dont like the result dont accept the result
end of the day the silent majority will decide
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon as safe as houses

You said it...Trumps approval rating will increase on the back of this.

Another 4 years! I'm genuinely thrilled!