Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Tiger5150]

Over time I have defended aspects of the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon administration in this forum. Whilst I stand by the aspects I have defended in the past, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon in the last probably 6 months has been very bad and his performance since the election has been pathetic.

I’m clearly not a fan of the Democratic Party and not particularly a fan of Biden but I genuinely wish him all the best. I hope he can unite the country, hold the extreme elements of his party at bay and doesn’t have too many debts to repay.

That last sentence sounds pretty conditional but I genuinely wish him well

 

[Tiger5150]

Bit rich of our Govt ...don't you think

http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/super-retail-group-returns-1-7m-from-jobkeeper-amid-calls-for-harvey-norman-to-follow-suit/ar-BB1cQv20?li=AAFsTE5&ocid=ASUDHP

This when hundreds and hundreds of thousands of our fellow Australians, many of them children were tipped into poverty this past fortnight and a lot for the first time as the coronavirus supplement was again reduced.

Quite disgusting that our government is not forcing repayment of Jobkeeper monies that were claimed under false pretences by some of these corporations and especially so when they hounded people to death with their illegal Robodebt practices.

The Jobkeeper was a weird one ......if you lost 20% of your hours your were entitled .....I had one particular case of a person taking up studies at the same time it started and their hours decreased through lack of availability .....and they got Jobkeeper

Payroll had to track every person and their hours every week

Jobkeeper was weird. Both my sons qualified but their company said bad luck.

 

[Tiger5150]

I think more importantly than the US political debarcle that never seems to end,it was pleasing to hear that in our country the economy has slightly rebounded from the covid recession and unemployment was down from 7.3 percent to 6.6 percent..hopefully this will be an ongoing concern as we are doing far better than some other countries,but,we also have a long way to go before we can even utter the word 'normal'....

It’s not a bad result but I think meaningless until after jobkeeper ends in a month or so

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Gawd ..Imagine School kids to umm actually use..I dunno ...books

Our kids at school can't use Wikipaedia ...and everything must be indexed and sourced

How does that help them though in a digital age . It’s all good to say back in my day , but books outside of being a base for knowledge should something terrible ever happen , are redundant , when it comes to learning .
When the whole world is moving to things like neural interfaces, it’s akin to recording a movie on VHS. Cool to know , pretty useless.

 

[Tim Sheens]

There is a distinct possibility that Australia will lose Google as a search engine due to Scamo and his crew trying to milk funds from them

I expected Google to take that line if said laws were brought into being. From a corporate point of view I don’t think Google really have any choice but to ban searches.

They (Alphabet) are, arguably, the world's most powerful company since the British East India Company. Clipping their wings ever so slightly is great news.

Of course, Scomo is only doing this to benefit Rupert Mordor, there's no other way he would take on the power of a company like Alphabet. For once in my life though, I'm happy to take Rupert Mordor's side.

Can't agree with the last sentence, even if the long dark shadow he casts was that of Mordor.

I see the current Google situation as somewhat similar to the cigarette companies with the warnings and then plain packaging. Once a government brings in a rule it sets a precedent for others to follow and whilst losing a percentage point or few of income here will have little effect, it has the potential to be a catalyst that will affect their revenue worldwide.

 

[cochise]

Gawd ..Imagine School kids to umm actually use..I dunno ...books

Our kids at school can't use Wikipaedia ...and everything must be indexed and sourced

Nor should they be able to use wikipedia, there are other sites that are appropriate to use though.

 

[Saturnalia]

Gawd ..Imagine School kids to umm actually use..I dunno ...books

Our kids at school can't use Wikipaedia ...and everything must be indexed and sourced

Nor should they be able to use wikipedia, there are other sites that are appropriate to use though.

If your child is smart they would use Wikipedia to find the appropriate sources since everything on wiki is sourced anyway.

 

[hobbo1]

Gawd ..Imagine School kids to umm actually use..I dunno ...books

Imagine teachers having to teach 🙄

 

[Harvey]

Can someone explain the google law? I understand it involves paying for news content, but why should google pay for displaying a link?

If the news organisations want revenue, why is the reader not paying for access?

I understand google make a load from advertising and return results based on companies paying them, but if they object to paying for Australian news contents, why not just remove them from the search results.

 

[happy_tiger]

Gawd ..Imagine School kids to umm actually use..I dunno ...books

Imagine teachers having to teach ?

Can i ask a question of parents with kids at school .....or even teachers .....does your school have security cameras in the class rooms ??

 

[mike]

Can someone explain the google law? I understand it involves paying for news content, but why should google pay for displaying a link?

If the news organisations want revenue, why is the reader not paying for access?

I understand google make a load from advertising and return results based on companies paying them, but if they object to paying for Australian news contents, why not just remove them from the search results.

They have a trial of doing just this, removing news result from searches, going to the end of Feb for a few thousand users. The trouble with removing news content from search results is that Google could then be accused of censorship.

It gets even more complicated... organic searches vs paid searches. The law currently does not distinguish. Also the method or amount of compensation is not defined so basically Murdoch can charge Google etc whatever they like without recourse.

It’s a crazy law and sets an precedent which all aspects has not been fully considered. Taking it to the next level basically it’s saying if you have a URL link to my site I can charge you for it. The devil will be in the details and at this stage the only logical course for Google is to remove the search function from Australia.

 

[Harvey]

Can someone explain the google law? I understand it involves paying for news content, but why should google pay for displaying a link?

If the news organisations want revenue, why is the reader not paying for access?

I understand google make a load from advertising and return results based on companies paying them, but if they object to paying for Australian news contents, why not just remove them from the search results.

They have a trial of doing just this, removing news result from searches, going to the end of Feb for a few thousand users. The trouble with removing news content from search results is that Google could then be accused of censorship.

It gets even more complicated... organic searches vs paid searches. The law currently does not distinguish. Also the method or amount of compensation is not defined so basically Murdoch can charge Google etc whatever they like without recourse.

It’s a crazy law and sets an precedent which all aspects has not been fully considered. Taking it to the next level basically it’s saying if you have a URL link to my site I can charge you for it. The devil will be in the details and at this stage the only logical course for Google is to remove the search function from Australia.

Thanks.

Now I am completely lost. Google already provides search results based on providers paying them, limits what is returned to remove certain content and how the hell should a company be able charge google to send me to a site where I will be bombarded by advertising sold by the company, despite the fact I can’t read anything because it is hidden behind a paid subscription wall.

 

[cochise]

Gawd ..Imagine School kids to umm actually use..I dunno ...books

Imagine teachers having to teach ?

Can i ask a question of parents with kids at school .....or even teachers .....does your school have security cameras in the class rooms ??

I don't know of any school with security cameras in the classroom and it is something the teachers federation would not allow.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Gawd ..Imagine School kids to umm actually use..I dunno ...books

Imagine teachers having to teach ?

Can i ask a question of parents with kids at school .....or even teachers .....does your school have security cameras in the class rooms ??

No . Does yours ? That’s hectic . Who don’t they trust ? The teachers or the students .

 

[happy_tiger]

Gawd ..Imagine School kids to umm actually use..I dunno ...books

Imagine teachers having to teach ?

Can i ask a question of parents with kids at school .....or even teachers .....does your school have security cameras in the class rooms ??

I don't know of any school with security cameras in the classroom and it is something the teachers federation would not allow.

Ok ...wouldn't teachers prefer the back up

No they don't ...just amazed with what goes on in class rooms they wouldn't

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

it is something the teachers federation would not allow.

That would be cos it would showcase how poor the teaching is in our public schools.

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

That would be cos it would showcase how poor the teaching is in our public schools.

Pre empting Lefty critiques - I do not consider Gender Bending "SafeSchool" lessons as fair dinkum studies. Our Nation is being destroyed by the Leftist educators who seek to destroy free thinking.

 

[jadtiger]

That would be cos it would showcase how poor the teaching is in our public schools.

Pre empting Lefty critiques - I do not consider Gender Bending "SafeSchool" lessons as fair dinkum studies. Our Nation is being destroyed by the Leftist educators who seek to destroy free thinking.

I would say the opposite applies,i found far more "free thinking" teachers on the left side of politics than the stodgy right who suppressed thinking outside the square

 

[TrueTiger]

I see the usual outpouring from the usual people now that we are readying ourselves to celebrate Australia Day,invasion day rallies,taking a knee at the BBL as a show against racism and Anthony Mundine having his usual rant against the PM ...
I was born here in Australia and Iam proud of our country,especially how multicultural we are...I can completely understand that our history is marred with many incidents that we consider appalling,however we have all come together on this historic day to unite as one over many ,many years since our founding...
History is just that,history,why in the past decade or so have we had to face people with an agenda that we owe something to people that we ourselves werent involved in..
As far as Im concerned we have gone to many lengths to right many wrongs but it still doesnt satisfy the few who want to shame us into submission,I will always celebrate Australia Day as I have known it since birth,I have friends around sometimes to have a feed and drink with,some are white,black and asian...on that note I wont take a knee or support the changes some want re the anthem or anything else that people call racist...I for one have been proud to sing Advance Australia Fair as it was written and performed originally....I wont give the minority any support as Im not a racist person so their arguements go against my ethics...
Everybody have a safe and happy Australia Day and God Bless all...

 

[cochise]

I see the usual outpouring from the usual people now that we are readying ourselves to celebrate Australia Day,invasion day rallies,taking a knee at the BBL as a show against racism and Anthony Mundine having his usual rant against the PM ...
I was born here in Australia and Iam proud of our country,especially how multicultural we are...I can completely understand that our history is marred with many incidents that we consider appalling,however we have all come together on this historic day to unite as one over many ,many years since our founding...
History is just that,history,why in the past decade or so have we had to face people with an agenda that we owe something to people that we ourselves werent involved in..
As far as Im concerned we have gone to many lengths to right many wrongs but it still doesnt satisfy the few who want to shame us into submission,I will always celebrate Australia Day as I have known it since birth,I have friends around sometimes to have a feed and drink with,some are white,black and asian...on that note I wont take a knee or support the changes some want re the anthem or anything else that people call racist...I for one have been proud to sing Advance Australia Fair as it was written and performed originally....I wont give the minority any support as Im not a racist person so their arguements go against my ethics...
Everybody have a safe and happy Australia Day and God Bless all...

You want to perform Advance Australia Fair with it's original lyrics? You might want to research that.

I would rather celebrate our national day on a day that all Australians can join in and celebrate. Not a day a group sees as the beginning of a loss of their culture.