Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Deleted member 3518]

Mmmmm...Lamb..

Pulled pork

Pork Belly

Now this thread is on a topic we can all agree on.

Not to be a turd , but I gotta say , I find pork belly pretty meh . Too much fat .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I see the usual outpouring from the usual people now that we are readying ourselves to celebrate Australia Day,invasion day rallies,taking a knee at the BBL as a show against racism and Anthony Mundine having his usual rant against the PM ...
I was born here in Australia and Iam proud of our country,especially how multicultural we are...I can completely understand that our history is marred with many incidents that we consider appalling,however we have all come together on this historic day to unite as one over many ,many years since our founding...
History is just that,history,why in the past decade or so have we had to face people with an agenda that we owe something to people that we ourselves werent involved in..
As far as Im concerned we have gone to many lengths to right many wrongs but it still doesnt satisfy the few who want to shame us into submission,I will always celebrate Australia Day as I have known it since birth,I have friends around sometimes to have a feed and drink with,some are white,black and asian...on that note I wont take a knee or support the changes some want re the anthem or anything else that people call racist...I for one have been proud to sing Advance Australia Fair as it was written and performed originally....I wont give the minority any support as Im not a racist person so their arguements go against my ethics...
Everybody have a safe and happy Australia Day and God Bless all...

You want to perform Advance Australia Fair with it's original lyrics? You might want to research that.

I would rather celebrate our national day on a day that all Australians can join in and celebrate. Not a day a group sees as the beginning of a loss of their culture.

I dont want to research it ...I liked it how it was prior to this last change...I will celebrate the day as I see fit,enjoying friends and families company ...I dont need to get into a verbal stoush about who did what when and why...If you dig up the past there will always be something there that others want to pry open and wont let things heal...At my age I dont need to try and satisfy someone elses agendas,I love Australia and our way of life,to bad others cant find a way to do the same without constantly wanting to antagonise the rest of us...

How it was prior to the last change is not how it was originally, far from it.
Advance Australia Fair – lyrics (the original 1879 version)

Verse 1

Australia's sons let us rejoice,

For we are young and free;

We've golden soil and wealth for toil,

Our home is girt by sea;

Our land abounds in Nature's gifts

Of beauty rich and rare;

In hist'ry's page, let ev'ry stage

Advance Australia fair.

In joyful strains then let us sing,

Advance Australia fair.

Verse 2

When gallant Cook from Albion sailed,

To trace wide oceans o'er,

True British courage bore him on,

Til he landed on our shore.

Then here he raised Old England's flag,

The standard of the brave;

"With all her faults we love her still"

"Britannia rules the wave."

In joyful strains then let us sing

Advance Australia fair.

Verse 3

While other nations of the globe

Behold us from afar,

We'll rise to high renown and shine

Like our glorious southern star;

From England soil and Fatherland,

Scotia and Erin fair,

Let all combine with heart and hand

To advance Australia fair.

In joyful strains then let us sing

Advance Australia fair.

Verse 4

Should foreign foe e'er sight our coast,

Or dare a foot to land,

We'll rouse to arms like sires of yore,

To guard our native strand;

Britannia then shall surely know,

Though oceans roll between,

Her sons in fair Australia's land

Still keep their courage green.

In joyful strains then let us sing

Advance Australia fair.


I will just say its fine that you celebrate on a day others feel excluded. Personally I don't know why anyone would want to celebrate our nation on a day others don't think is a celebration.

Yea that song is hardly about Australia . It’s basically , we live in Oz , it’s nice here ......but go the POMS! Barmy Arrrmy , Barrmy Arrmy!
Can we just change the bloody thing . I’ve sung that song with pride , I’ve marched under that flag with pride ,and kissed it many times . But I’m inky kissing it cause I love Australia . I’d kiss the new one if it came because , I’d still love Australia . It’s what it represents to me . But in saying that , some guys can’t differentiate , the things they did and saw under that flag , from the love of country . It’s all one big mesh . And you can’t judge them for not wanting to give that , because they can’t do the mental gymnastics required to separate the picture from its meaning.

 

[cochise]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?

 

[Tiger5150]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?

Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

 

[cochise]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?


Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

To be honest, and I can't believe I am about to say this. The best idea I heard in regards to this debate came from Anthony Mundine a number of years ago. I am not sure if it was his idea or whether he still likes this idea as I have never heard him mention it again.

The idea he said was to break the day up in 2 parts, similar to what we do with ANZAC day, use the morning to commemorate and recognise the loss of culture that indigenous population feels. Then use the afternoon to celebrate what Australia has become. I personally don't mind that idea.

 

[Tiger5150]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?


Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

To be honest, and I can't believe I am about to say this. The best idea I heard in regards to this debate came from Anthony Mundine a number of years ago. I am not sure if it was his idea or whether he still likes this idea as I have never heard him mention it again.

The idea he said was to break the day up in 2 parts, similar to what we do with ANZAC day, use the morning to commemorate and recognise the loss of culture that indigenous population feels. Then use the afternoon to celebrate what Australia has become. I personally don't mind that idea.

I think that is exactly what the day should be now, but dont see why it needs to be mandated that the morning is for this, the afternoon is for that.

Why the hell cant people just commemorate the day and the country for what it is, what it has been and where we ALL have come from, on their own terms in what ever way they see fit?

Some will commemorate it as "invasion day" (stupid title...wasnt an invasion) or a "day of mourning" as marking the day that Europeans arrived here with the intent of settling, from which great hardship resulted for the indigenous people. Some will commemorate it as the start of an incredible process from First fleeters arriving to a reasonably barren and inhospitable place from which they initially survived and went on to form a great nation. Some people I hope are capable of thinking two things at once and blending these two historic facts together. All three are right and are right to commemorate as they see fit.

Some just see it as a bogan drinking day. I see it as a day to get some work done without distraction.

 

[happy_tiger]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?


Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

To be honest, and I can't believe I am about to say this. The best idea I heard in regards to this debate came from Anthony Mundine a number of years ago. I am not sure if it was his idea or whether he still likes this idea as I have never heard him mention it again.

The idea he said was to break the day up in 2 parts, similar to what we do with ANZAC day, use the morning to commemorate and recognise the loss of culture that indigenous population feels. Then use the afternoon to celebrate what Australia has become. I personally don't mind that idea.

Did he come out with this about 11 seconds after his last Horne fight .......

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Giving the Australia Day stuff a miss. Anyone who wants to know my thoughts search my posts a year ago.

On Google, the funniest thing about it all is that if Google choose to censor links they will have to pay for it will push up independent journalists like Michael West, the fella who worked for Whitlam and Fraser (his name escapes me,) and Jordan Shanks who while is a comedian, probably does better investigative journalism of late than most of Australia's mainstream journalists.

These guys getting more access to the public are not an ideal outcome for Murdoch and the LNP.

 

[Tiger5150]

Giving the Australia Day stuff a miss. Anyone who wants to know my thoughts search my posts a year ago.

On Google, the funniest thing about it all is that if Google choose to censor links they will have to pay for it will push up independent journalists like Michael West, the fella who worked for Whitlam and Fraser (his name escapes me,) and Jordan Shanks who while is a comedian, probably does better investigative journalism of late than most of Australia's mainstream journalists.

These guys getting more access to the public are not an ideal outcome for Murdoch and the LNP.

Im not a fan of that Jordan bloke but note he was recently banned from Twitter

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Giving the Australia Day stuff a miss. Anyone who wants to know my thoughts search my posts a year ago.

On Google, the funniest thing about it all is that if Google choose to censor links they will have to pay for it will push up independent journalists like Michael West, the fella who worked for Whitlam and Fraser (his name escapes me,) and Jordan Shanks who while is a comedian, probably does better investigative journalism of late than most of Australia's mainstream journalists.

These guys getting more access to the public are not an ideal outcome for Murdoch and the LNP.


Im not a fan of that Jordan bloke but note he was recently banned from Twitter

Must have only been a short sabbatical because I have have never noticed his account suspended.

I am generally a fan of his. His shilling for China, while I understand his adoration is about their ability to make things happen and their economic achievements, is a little on the nose when he tries to use that to justify stuff like the goings on in Xinjiang.

Just say your admire their economic prowess and their machinations to make it happen and leave it at that. You don't need to double down and say that camps are OK because everything else is going well for them.

 

[Tiger5150]

Giving the Australia Day stuff a miss. Anyone who wants to know my thoughts search my posts a year ago.

On Google, the funniest thing about it all is that if Google choose to censor links they will have to pay for it will push up independent journalists like Michael West, the fella who worked for Whitlam and Fraser (his name escapes me,) and Jordan Shanks who while is a comedian, probably does better investigative journalism of late than most of Australia's mainstream journalists.

These guys getting more access to the public are not an ideal outcome for Murdoch and the LNP.


Im not a fan of that Jordan bloke but note he was recently banned from Twitter

***Must have only been a short sabbatical because I have have never noticed his account suspended***.

I am generally a fan of his. His shilling for China, while I understand his adoration is about their ability to make things happen and their economic achievements, is a little on the nose when he tries to use that to justify stuff like the goings on in Xinjiang.

Just say your admire their economic prowess and their machinations to make it happen and leave it at that. You don't need to double down and say that camps are OK because everything else is going well for them.

I may also have been wrong about him being banned or have the platform wrong, I thought I heard in a podcast that he was banned.

With regards his views on China, IMO its cognitive dissonance. When his ideological priors dont match up to reality, he obfuscates.

 

[TrueTiger]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?


Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

To be honest, and I can't believe I am about to say this. The best idea I heard in regards to this debate came from Anthony Mundine a number of years ago. I am not sure if it was his idea or whether he still likes this idea as I have never heard him mention it again.

The idea he said was to break the day up in 2 parts, similar to what we do with ANZAC day, use the morning to commemorate and recognise the loss of culture that indigenous population feels. Then use the afternoon to celebrate what Australia has become. I personally don't mind that idea.


I think that is exactly what the day should be now, but dont see why it needs to be mandated that the morning is for this, the afternoon is for that.

Why the hell cant people just commemorate the day and the country for what it is, what it has been and where we ALL have come from, on their own terms in what ever way they see fit?

Some will commemorate it as "invasion day" (stupid title...wasnt an invasion) or a "day of mourning" as marking the day that Europeans arrived here with the intent of settling, from which great hardship resulted for the indigenous people. Some will commemorate it as the start of an incredible process from First fleeters arriving to a reasonably barren and inhospitable place from which they initially survived and went on to form a great nation. Some people I hope are capable of thinking two things at once and blending these two historic facts together. All three are right and are right to commemorate as they see fit.

Some just see it as a bogan drinking day. I see it as a day to get some work done without distraction.

I have celebrated Australia Day many,many times with people of all cultures and ancestry...I cant for the life of me understand the "invasion day"syndrome...My Aboriginal friends that I played football with in Wagga always came along to the BBQs and never once did they look for sympathy or reparation or even mention that the white man owes them...the sooner some of the younger generation grow up and realise that we are one country only divided by the extreme sympathisers will we ever close that divide ..30 yrs ago all this take a knee,invasion day etc would have been frowned upon,now we have to bow down to it ..unfortunately for them I wont bow down to anyone...

 

[Geo]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?


Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

To be honest, and I can't believe I am about to say this. The best idea I heard in regards to this debate came from Anthony Mundine a number of years ago. I am not sure if it was his idea or whether he still likes this idea as I have never heard him mention it again.

The idea he said was to break the day up in 2 parts, similar to what we do with ANZAC day, use the morning to commemorate and recognise the loss of culture that indigenous population feels. Then use the afternoon to celebrate what Australia has become. I personally don't mind that idea.


I think that is exactly what the day should be now, but dont see why it needs to be mandated that the morning is for this, the afternoon is for that.

Why the hell cant people just commemorate the day and the country for what it is, what it has been and where we ALL have come from, on their own terms in what ever way they see fit?

Some will commemorate it as "invasion day" (stupid title...wasnt an invasion) or a "day of mourning" as marking the day that Europeans arrived here with the intent of settling, from which great hardship resulted for the indigenous people. Some will commemorate it as the start of an incredible process from First fleeters arriving to a reasonably barren and inhospitable place from which they initially survived and went on to form a great nation. Some people I hope are capable of thinking two things at once and blending these two historic facts together. All three are right and are right to commemorate as they see fit.

Some just see it as a bogan drinking day. I see it as a day to get some work done without distraction.

I have celebrated Australia Day many,many times with people of all cultures and ancestry...I cant for the life of me understand the "invasion day"syndrome...My Aboriginal friends that I played football with in Wagga always came along to the BBQs and never once did they look for sympathy or reparation or even mention that the white man owes them...the sooner some of the younger generation grow up and realise that we are one country only divided by the extreme sympathisers will we ever close that divide ..30 yrs ago all this take a knee,invasion day etc would have been frowned upon,now we have to bow down to it ..unfortunately for them I wont bow down to anyone...

In 1968 Mexico Olyimpic Games the Black Power salute is recognised as a protest for human rights included Australian Peter Norman...it is not bowed down too

 

[TrueTiger]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?


Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

To be honest, and I can't believe I am about to say this. The best idea I heard in regards to this debate came from Anthony Mundine a number of years ago. I am not sure if it was his idea or whether he still likes this idea as I have never heard him mention it again.

The idea he said was to break the day up in 2 parts, similar to what we do with ANZAC day, use the morning to commemorate and recognise the loss of culture that indigenous population feels. Then use the afternoon to celebrate what Australia has become. I personally don't mind that idea.


I think that is exactly what the day should be now, but dont see why it needs to be mandated that the morning is for this, the afternoon is for that.

Why the hell cant people just commemorate the day and the country for what it is, what it has been and where we ALL have come from, on their own terms in what ever way they see fit?

Some will commemorate it as "invasion day" (stupid title...wasnt an invasion) or a "day of mourning" as marking the day that Europeans arrived here with the intent of settling, from which great hardship resulted for the indigenous people. Some will commemorate it as the start of an incredible process from First fleeters arriving to a reasonably barren and inhospitable place from which they initially survived and went on to form a great nation. Some people I hope are capable of thinking two things at once and blending these two historic facts together. All three are right and are right to commemorate as they see fit.

Some just see it as a bogan drinking day. I see it as a day to get some work done without distraction.

I have celebrated Australia Day many,many times with people of all cultures and ancestry...I cant for the life of me understand the "invasion day"syndrome...My Aboriginal friends that I played football with in Wagga always came along to the BBQs and never once did they look for sympathy or reparation or even mention that the white man owes them...the sooner some of the younger generation grow up and realise that we are one country only divided by the extreme sympathisers will we ever close that divide ..30 yrs ago all this take a knee,invasion day etc would have been frowned upon,now we have to bow down to it ..unfortunately for them I wont bow down to anyone...

In 1968 Mexico Olyimpic Games the Black Power salute is recognised as a protest for human rights included Australian Peter Norman...it is not bowed down too

I can understand the human rights arguement,but these days the BLM and other movements seem to divide,not like the Mexico black power movement to unite people within the one category of helping to treat people equally and universally.
I dont have to "take a knee"to support someone elses agenda,I support all lives not just black...maybe Im not of the usual fold,but have my own thoughts and reasons,it doesnt mean Im racist or dont care...

 

[Tiger5150]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?


Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

To be honest, and I can't believe I am about to say this. The best idea I heard in regards to this debate came from Anthony Mundine a number of years ago. I am not sure if it was his idea or whether he still likes this idea as I have never heard him mention it again.

The idea he said was to break the day up in 2 parts, similar to what we do with ANZAC day, use the morning to commemorate and recognise the loss of culture that indigenous population feels. Then use the afternoon to celebrate what Australia has become. I personally don't mind that idea.


I think that is exactly what the day should be now, but dont see why it needs to be mandated that the morning is for this, the afternoon is for that.

Why the hell cant people just commemorate the day and the country for what it is, what it has been and where we ALL have come from, on their own terms in what ever way they see fit?

Some will commemorate it as "invasion day" (stupid title...wasnt an invasion) or a "day of mourning" as marking the day that Europeans arrived here with the intent of settling, from which great hardship resulted for the indigenous people. Some will commemorate it as the start of an incredible process from First fleeters arriving to a reasonably barren and inhospitable place from which they initially survived and went on to form a great nation. Some people I hope are capable of thinking two things at once and blending these two historic facts together. All three are right and are right to commemorate as they see fit.

Some just see it as a bogan drinking day. I see it as a day to get some work done without distraction.

I have celebrated Australia Day many,many times with people of all cultures and ancestry...I cant for the life of me understand the "invasion day"syndrome...My Aboriginal friends that I played football with in Wagga always came along to the BBQs and never once did they look for sympathy or reparation or even mention that the white man owes them...the sooner some of the younger generation grow up and realise that we are one country only divided by the extreme sympathisers will we ever close that divide ..30 yrs ago all this take a knee,invasion day etc would have been frowned upon,now we have to bow down to it ..unfortunately for them I wont bow down to anyone...

In 1968 Mexico Olyimpic Games the Black Power salute is recognised as a protest for human rights included Australian Peter Norman...it is not bowed down too

Ive always thought the "taking a knee" is a weird gesture of support of black rights. Taking a knee is a submissive gesture and it seems a weird way to show strength. I understand the reference to George Floyds death, but it still seems conflicting.

 

[cochise]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?


Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

To be honest, and I can't believe I am about to say this. The best idea I heard in regards to this debate came from Anthony Mundine a number of years ago. I am not sure if it was his idea or whether he still likes this idea as I have never heard him mention it again.

The idea he said was to break the day up in 2 parts, similar to what we do with ANZAC day, use the morning to commemorate and recognise the loss of culture that indigenous population feels. Then use the afternoon to celebrate what Australia has become. I personally don't mind that idea.


I think that is exactly what the day should be now, but dont see why it needs to be mandated that the morning is for this, the afternoon is for that.

Why the hell cant people just commemorate the day and the country for what it is, what it has been and where we ALL have come from, on their own terms in what ever way they see fit?

Some will commemorate it as "invasion day" (stupid title...wasnt an invasion) or a "day of mourning" as marking the day that Europeans arrived here with the intent of settling, from which great hardship resulted for the indigenous people. Some will commemorate it as the start of an incredible process from First fleeters arriving to a reasonably barren and inhospitable place from which they initially survived and went on to form a great nation. Some people I hope are capable of thinking two things at once and blending these two historic facts together. All three are right and are right to commemorate as they see fit.

Some just see it as a bogan drinking day. I see it as a day to get some work done without distraction.

I have celebrated Australia Day many,many times with people of all cultures and ancestry...I cant for the life of me understand the "invasion day"syndrome...My Aboriginal friends that I played football with in Wagga always came along to the BBQs and never once did they look for sympathy or reparation or even mention that the white man owes them...the sooner some of the younger generation grow up and realise that we are one country only divided by the extreme sympathisers will we ever close that divide ..30 yrs ago all this take a knee,invasion day etc would have been frowned upon,now we have to bow down to it ..unfortunately for them I wont bow down to anyone...

In 1968 Mexico Olyimpic Games the Black Power salute is recognised as a protest for human rights included Australian Peter Norman...it is not bowed down too

I can understand the human rights arguement,but these days the BLM and other movements seem to divide,not like the Mexico black power movement to unite people within the one category of helping to treat people equally and universally.
I dont have to "take a knee"to support someone elses agenda,I support all lives not just black...maybe Im not of the usual fold,but have my own thoughts and reasons,it doesnt mean Im racist or dont care...

Saying "All Lives Matter" misses the point of "Black Lives Matter" no one is saying that your life doesn't matter, or white lives don't matter when they say black lives matter. What they are saying is that until black lives matter then all lives can't matter. The original sentiment behind black lives matter was saying help is needed because black lives are in danger. I think this sign sums it up well.


 

[innsaneink]

So lets not celebrate anything because a minority in many areas don't feel its a celebration for them. GIVE ME A BREAK

Yeah so lets exclude them from our National Celebration.

No ones excluding them .. they have a choice .

The date excludes some indigenous people from celebrating as they don't view it as a day to celebrate. Regardless of that in my opinion we are celebrating the wrong day anyway, we are celebrating our national day on the day the first fleet arrived to set up a penal colony. Why don't we celebrate the day we actually became Australia?

Because its New Years Day and we already have a holiday on that day and 50% of the country would be hung over for our national celebration.

So its the public holiday you want?


Not particularly, but it would be pretty quickly swallowed up in a post NYE haze, wouldnt really give the day what it deserves.

I dont actually celebrate or denounce Aus day on 26 Jan, but obviously many do on both sides. It WAS an incredible achievement for the first fleet to get here and eek out an existence which ultimately flourished into the great country we have today. That is not to "whitewash" (word chosen intentionally) aboriginal history. There was no "genocide" or even violence between the first fleet and the local indigenous on this day and there is a lot of historical documents supporting the efforts for peace between the two. AGAIN this is not to avoid the fact of the atrocities to come.

IMO we should keep it where it is. It is an opportunity to actually reflect on what happened, what it means to the society we have built, what it means to indigenous Australians. Removing it from the calendar foregoes this opportunity but will not erase what has happened for good or bad. The call to move Aus day is some sort of childish admission that we are not mature enough to commemorate this day properly.

To be honest, and I can't believe I am about to say this. The best idea I heard in regards to this debate came from Anthony Mundine a number of years ago. I am not sure if it was his idea or whether he still likes this idea as I have never heard him mention it again.

The idea he said was to break the day up in 2 parts, similar to what we do with ANZAC day, use the morning to commemorate and recognise the loss of culture that indigenous population feels. Then use the afternoon to celebrate what Australia has become. I personally don't mind that idea.


I think that is exactly what the day should be now, but dont see why it needs to be mandated that the morning is for this, the afternoon is for that.

Why the hell cant people just commemorate the day and the country for what it is, what it has been and where we ALL have come from, on their own terms in what ever way they see fit?

Some will commemorate it as "invasion day" (stupid title...wasnt an invasion) or a "day of mourning" as marking the day that Europeans arrived here with the intent of settling, from which great hardship resulted for the indigenous people. Some will commemorate it as the start of an incredible process from First fleeters arriving to a reasonably barren and inhospitable place from which they initially survived and went on to form a great nation. Some people I hope are capable of thinking two things at once and blending these two historic facts together. All three are right and are right to commemorate as they see fit.

Some just see it as a bogan drinking day. I see it as a day to get some work done without distraction.

I have celebrated Australia Day many,many times with people of all cultures and ancestry...I cant for the life of me understand the "invasion day"syndrome...My Aboriginal friends that I played football with in Wagga always came along to the BBQs and never once did they look for sympathy or reparation or even mention that the white man owes them...the sooner some of the younger generation grow up and realise that we are one country only divided by the extreme sympathisers will we ever close that divide ..30 yrs ago all this take a knee,invasion day etc would have been frowned upon,now we have to bow down to it ..unfortunately for them I wont bow down to anyone...

In 1968 Mexico Olyimpic Games the Black Power salute is recognised as a protest for human rights included Australian Peter Norman...it is not bowed down too

I can understand the human rights arguement,but these days the BLM and other movements seem to divide,not like the Mexico black power movement to unite people within the one category of helping to treat people equally and universally.
I dont have to "take a knee"to support someone elses agenda,I support all lives not just black...maybe Im not of the usual fold,but have my own thoughts and reasons,it doesnt mean Im racist or dont care...

Saying "All Lives Matter" misses the point of "Black Lives Matter" no one is saying that your life doesn't matter, or white lives don't matter when they say black lives matter. What they are saying is that until black lives matter then all lives can't matter. The original sentiment behind black lives matter was saying help is needed because black lives are in danger. I think this sign sums it up well.


It's good to learn every day... I try and keep an open mind... I see I've changed a lot over my many seasons on earth... Most I hope for the better... Everything's changing every day we need to go with it and improve ourselves as best we can

 

[Papacito]

As a country, I reckon we can do a bit better than celebrating 26 January, which mainly marks the day the Poms set up a labour camp in order to make a few bucks from battlers they jailed for things like stealing a loaf of bread to feed their family.

 

[hugh1954]

I don't mind if you want to march around my street with black lives matter banners all day if it helps promote more respect and human rights BUT DONT tell me to get out and follow your lead and if i don't then start smashing windows and burning down houses

 

[happy_tiger]

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/broncos-re-sign-exciting-young-gun/ar-BB1cWXtU?ocid=ientphttps://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/more-sports/broncos-re-sign-exciting-young-gun/ar-BB1cWXtU?ocid=ientp