Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[TillLindemann]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

People need to stand up to these crazies. They are peddling anti-white racism, pure and simple.
You get past racism by being colour-BLIND, but these people are colour-OBSESSED.

"Try to be less white" is certainly going to offend some and whilst I fully understand it's true meaning, think a rework would improve it's effectiveness in getting across to many.

This though in the photo from that link, I have little doubt that most at this age, particularly in countries such as the US would readily understand. The exposure and resultant cost in lives during this pandemic has put it front and centre for the ignorant amongst us.

There is white privilege and disingenuous for other than those at very low educational and/or socio-economic levels to pretend otherwise.



Whilst I could argue against your point with regards to the photo you selected (I dont feel am inherently superior because I am white, neither do my kids, do you?), you have cherry picked this photo.

How about this photo?


It is ***specifically*** saying that if you are white you **are** Oppressive, you are arrogant, ignorant etc etc. It is actual racism. The obvious test of which is switch white with black/aboriginal/hispanic.

This is specifically the Critical Race Theory training that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon banned from US Government organisations (Robin DiAngelo) and Biden has reinstated.

It has zero to do with racial equality/harmony and everything to do with dismantling systems of authority and cultural marxism.


Whites on average in the US are still starting a hundred metres sprint race with a 50 odd metre head start, having had that advantage whittled down from the previous 99.5 over the centuries.

Most are still being served by the blacks amongst them, just at the modern equivalent of their plantation dinner tables. They need to be educated as to why this is the case, both historically and present.

That's definitely the narrative. I think it is very simplistic. With reference to some groups, such as Asian-Americans, it is simply false.

A bigger, but less fashionable, determinor of outcomes than racial ancestry is geography. It is a massive privilege to be born and raised in a big, globally connected city like NY, San Fran, Boston, compared to being born in rural America. Most of those who preach about privilege, have this particular privilege.

 

[Papacito]

While I don't mind how others identify culturally or ethnically, dumbing important things down to a classification based on someone's shade of skin is just silly.

Where does that leave my mates who had a light skinned and dark skinned parent? Are they half a person?

What about the adopted kids who have a different shade of skin to their parents? Do they have genetically inherited prejudice due to their dna dictating how much melanin is in their skin?

I'm all about treating people respectfully as individuals, not chucking them thoughtlessly into a skin shade mental check box.

 

[Tiger5150]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

People need to stand up to these crazies. They are peddling anti-white racism, pure and simple.
You get past racism by being colour-BLIND, but these people are colour-OBSESSED.

"Try to be less white" is certainly going to offend some and whilst I fully understand it's true meaning, think a rework would improve it's effectiveness in getting across to many.

This though in the photo from that link, I have little doubt that most at this age, particularly in countries such as the US would readily understand. The exposure and resultant cost in lives during this pandemic has put it front and centre for the ignorant amongst us.

There is white privilege and disingenuous for other than those at very low educational and/or socio-economic levels to pretend otherwise.



Whilst I could argue against your point with regards to the photo you selected (I dont feel am inherently superior because I am white, neither do my kids, do you?), you have cherry picked this photo.

How about this photo?


It is ***specifically*** saying that if you are white you **are** Oppressive, you are arrogant, ignorant etc etc. It is actual racism. The obvious test of which is switch white with black/aboriginal/hispanic.

This is specifically the Critical Race Theory training that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon banned from US Government organisations (Robin DiAngelo) and Biden has reinstated.

It has zero to do with racial equality/harmony and everything to do with dismantling systems of authority and cultural marxism.


Whites on average in the US are still starting a hundred metres sprint race with a 50 odd metre head start, having had that advantage whittled down from the previous 99.5 over the centuries.

I think there is a lot of truth to that and I think it extends to indigenous in Australia to a large extent as well, but is Critical Race Theory the answer in your opinion? IMO no.

I also dont think that it is systemic in the way that CRT advocated espouse either. IMO what is impeding US Blacks/Aus Indigenous is not systemic, but it is historical. I have done pretty good in life relatively speaking and that has had zero to do with the fact that I am white, but I have been privileged. That privilege come from the fact that my parents (not wealthy) had the benefit of education and a culture of hard work breeds success which they got from their parents before etc etc. My parents never had systemic impediments in front of them for success (not actually true, my mum didnt have access to full education because she was a girl) whereas aboriginals did (Blacks in the US).

My point is that difference in the starting line for US Blacks & Aus indigenous is historical and builds on the lack of generational advantage. I went to school in the 70's with kids from Marella Mission who were aboriginals taken from their mums years after "the stolen generation" policies officially ended. There isnt the depth of generations of education and to an extent wealth that non indigenous enjoy.

Again the point Im trying to make is that this is borne of *historical* systemic racism and IMO we still need to look at creating equality of opportunity for them without disbanding a meritocracy.

I worked for years in Department of Housing properties and my god there is entrenched failure in those places for EXACTLY the same reasons as above for thousands of white aussie families. They dont have the depth of generational support. If I was a Coca Cola employee who had climbed out of the Doonside Housos, CRT teaches me that I am arrogant and ignorant, I wouldnt last long in that room.


Most are still being served by the blacks amongst them, just at the modern equivalent of their plantation dinner tables. They need to be educated as to why this is the case, both historically and present.

Looking past the flowery rhetoric, the way to educate people is to tell them that they are arrogant and ignorant due to the nature of the colour of their skin?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.


 

[Tiger5150]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.


Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

It's also an uncomfortable truth that victims of sexual assault and rape are subject to all sorts of questioning of their character, worries about impact on their employment & livelihood that reporting their assault may create and the sorts of trauma that occur as a result clouds their judgement.

Maybe the scumbag should simply not harass women?

 

[Nelson]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

Come on you're better than that, don't fall into victim blaming. If the allegations are accurate it's his fault. Nobody else's. If she didn't feel comfortable at the time going to the police then it was not incumbent on her to do so. The experience of being a victim in a sexual assault trial is never a pleasant one.
I have no problem with her being given the advice to go to the police, but you have to understand that there are valid reasons for someone in her circumstances not to want to do that. It's easy advice to give but much harder advice to act on.
Also, it's not as though he didn't suffer consequences as a result of her internal complaint, he was dismissed.

 

[Tiger5150]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

It's also an uncomfortable truth that victims of sexual assault and rape are subject to all sorts of questioning of their character, worries about impact on their employment & livelihood that reporting their assault may create and the sorts of trauma that occur as a result clouds their judgement.

Maybe ***the scumbag should simply not harass women***?

No question of that fact.

There is no circumstance where any of this is Brittany Higgins fault. I am concerned that she is being used by others at the moment though. I personally dont understand the point of it all, her coming out, giving her name and face all over the media and genuinely questioning the processes is all fair enough, but for mine there is plenty in there that makes this a not straight forward case of systematic neglect. She didnt raise sexual assault, the parlimentary secretary did and told her that she should follow it up with police and that she would have the backing and support of the Libs and parliament. Her job was assured and when she understandably didnt want to hang around the parliament building and wanted to go back to Qld, the Libs offered her the same job up there. Its not like they did nothing for her. I just dont get the point of it all unless it is simply to score political points over the Libs? She is prepared to have her face and name all over the media, but not to prosecute the guy?

Meanwhile the scumbag isnt named or held to account.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

:thinking_face:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Euq8Of_VcAAz1HK?format=png&name=small

 

[Tiger5150]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

Come on you're better than that, ***don't fall into victim blaming***. If the allegations are accurate it's his fault. Nobody else's. If she didn't feel comfortable at the time going to the police then it was not incumbent on her to do so. The experience of being a victim in a sexual assault trial is never a pleasant one.

Totally agree and I have made that point in a later post, she isnt to blame for what happened to her.

I have no problem with her being given the advice to go to the police, but you have to understand that there are valid reasons for someone in her circumstances not to want to do that. It's easy advice to give but much harder advice to act on.

Also agree with this and understand, but I guess the bit I dont understand (and its correct to say I dont need to understand, its her experience) is that of course it would be a hard thing to do to force prosecution and all that would go along with it, but I dont see how the current media circus is less of a traumatic experience. Her face and name are forever splashed around this circumstance, the perpetrator is not. I actually really hope that she may be bouyed by the support she is getting now and push for prosecution.

As I say in another post, Im concerned about the possible motives of others in this.

Also, it's not as though he didn't suffer consequences as a result of her internal complaint, he was dismissed.

Which in the absence of charges is probably all that could be done to him.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

It's also an uncomfortable truth that victims of sexual assault and rape are subject to all sorts of questioning of their character, worries about impact on their employment & livelihood that reporting their assault may create and the sorts of trauma that occur as a result clouds their judgement.

Maybe ***the scumbag should simply not harass women***?


No question of that fact.

There is no circumstance where any of this is Brittany Higgins fault. I am concerned that she is being used by others at the moment though. I personally dont understand the point of it all, her coming out, giving her name and face all over the media and genuinely questioning the processes is all fair enough, but for mine there is plenty in there that makes this a not straight forward case of systematic neglect. She didnt raise sexual assault, the parlimentary secretary did and told her that she should follow it up with police and that she would have the backing and support of the Libs and parliament. Her job was assured and when she understandably didnt want to hang around the parliament building and wanted to go back to Qld, the Libs offered her the same job up there. Its not like they did nothing for her. I just dont get the point of it all unless it is simply to score political points over the Libs? She is prepared to have her face and name all over the media, but not to prosecute the guy?

Meanwhile the scumbag isnt named or held to account.

Happy to name him, though apart from this guy getting jailed, what I also want is Morrison to be exposed for the liar that he continues to be. Reynolds should not be the next McKenzie female fall guy for this man.

 

[Tiger5150]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

It's also an uncomfortable truth that victims of sexual assault and rape are subject to all sorts of questioning of their character, worries about impact on their employment & livelihood that reporting their assault may create and the sorts of trauma that occur as a result clouds their judgement.

Maybe ***the scumbag should simply not harass women***?


No question of that fact.

There is no circumstance where any of this is Brittany Higgins fault. I am concerned that she is being used by others at the moment though. I personally dont understand the point of it all, her coming out, giving her name and face all over the media and genuinely questioning the processes is all fair enough, but for mine there is plenty in there that makes this a not straight forward case of systematic neglect. She didnt raise sexual assault, the parlimentary secretary did and told her that she should follow it up with police and that she would have the backing and support of the Libs and parliament. Her job was assured and when she understandably didnt want to hang around the parliament building and wanted to go back to Qld, the Libs offered her the same job up there. Its not like they did nothing for her. I just dont get the point of it all unless it is simply to score political points over the Libs? She is prepared to have her face and name all over the media, but not to prosecute the guy?

Meanwhile the scumbag isnt named or held to account.

Happy to name him, though apart from this guy getting jailed, what I also want is Morrison to be exposed for the liar that he continues to be. Reynolds should not be the next McKenzie female fall guy for this man.

Im not suggesting you name him, I dont think that would potentially be a great look for you or the forum and I dont think you should name him for that reason. Three girls have now said he sexually assaulted them and a fourth said he felt her up. These girls individually or collectively should be prosecuting him. He cant get off and he should go to gaol. I understand that it would be a traumatic process for teh girls but so must being paraded through the media like they are. I truly hope that she (Brittany) isnt being used in this circumstance.

I have no problem with Morrison being exposed if he lied. I assume the lie is regarding what he knew and was told and when? If that is the case he should be exposed for that and the reason for that lie investigated.

For mine though, based on the story that Brittany Higgins has given, as traumatic the incident was and the obviously upsetting repurcussions that followed, I genuinely cant see a lot that either the Liberal party or the parliamentary office staff could have done much better. The parliamentary office were the ones to say to Brittany, "no thats not right, its sexual assualt", they offered support to prosecute, the Libs ensured her job, they tried to get her the same job in Qld. I dont blame Brittany for not wanting to ahve anything to do with the system, but I dont really see what anyone else did wrong.

If that later progresses to people lying about what they knew and when, its a different story.

Do I have it far wrong?

 

[TrueTiger]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

People need to stand up to these crazies. They are peddling anti-white racism, pure and simple.
You get past racism by being colour-BLIND, but these people are colour-OBSESSED.

"Try to be less white" is certainly going to offend some and whilst I fully understand it's true meaning, think a rework would improve it's effectiveness in getting across to many.

This though in the photo from that link, I have little doubt that most at this age, particularly in countries such as the US would readily understand. The exposure and resultant cost in lives during this pandemic has put it front and centre for the ignorant amongst us.

There is white privilege and disingenuous for other than those at very low educational and/or socio-economic levels to pretend otherwise.



Whilst I could argue against your point with regards to the photo you selected (I dont feel am inherently superior because I am white, neither do my kids, do you?), you have cherry picked this photo.

How about this photo?


It is ***specifically*** saying that if you are white you **are** Oppressive, you are arrogant, ignorant etc etc. It is actual racism. The obvious test of which is switch white with black/aboriginal/hispanic.

This is specifically the Critical Race Theory training that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon banned from US Government organisations (Robin DiAngelo) and Biden has reinstated.

It has zero to do with racial equality/harmony and everything to do with dismantling systems of authority and cultural marxism.


Whites on average in the US are still starting a hundred metres sprint race with a 50 odd metre head start, having had that advantage whittled down from the previous 99.5 over the centuries.

Most are still being served by the blacks amongst them, just at the modern equivalent of their plantation dinner tables. They need to be educated as to why this is the case, both historically and present.

That's definitely the narrative. I think it is very simplistic. With reference to some groups, such as Asian-Americans, it is simply false.

A bigger, but less fashionable, determinor of outcomes than racial ancestry is geography. It is a massive privilege to be born and raised in a big, globally connected city like NY, San Fran, Boston, compared to being born in rural America. Most of those who preach about privilege, have this particular privilege.

Till,I reckon in my opinion that the do gooders that want to keep flying the whites are a superior people flag,are the ones who are causing most of this divide..
For example,BLM in America scream reparation to black people...
Here in Australia we keep our indigenous brothers and sisters to a lower esteem...
Its garbage and should be fought against,because we are drifting further apart through no fault of our own as a united nation...
I cant and wont be held responsible for what happened 200 years ago here in Aust,and I wont support any BLM crap who I dont have time for...
I was always taught that people are equal ,irrelevent their skin colour,to love and look after one another and to live in peace with each other...
Minority garbage groups are causing unnecessary grief for people who live their lives respecting people of all race and colour...
My opinion wont suit everyone but it is mine and I will stand by what I have said...

 

[Tiger5150]

This stuff is going to get worse and it wont end well.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/20/whistleblower-coca-cola-uses-antiracist-training-that-tells-employees-try-to-be-less-white/

People need to stand up to these crazies. They are peddling anti-white racism, pure and simple.
You get past racism by being colour-BLIND, but these people are colour-OBSESSED.

"Try to be less white" is certainly going to offend some and whilst I fully understand it's true meaning, think a rework would improve it's effectiveness in getting across to many.

This though in the photo from that link, I have little doubt that most at this age, particularly in countries such as the US would readily understand. The exposure and resultant cost in lives during this pandemic has put it front and centre for the ignorant amongst us.

There is white privilege and disingenuous for other than those at very low educational and/or socio-economic levels to pretend otherwise.



Whilst I could argue against your point with regards to the photo you selected (I dont feel am inherently superior because I am white, neither do my kids, do you?), you have cherry picked this photo.

How about this photo?


It is ***specifically*** saying that if you are white you **are** Oppressive, you are arrogant, ignorant etc etc. It is actual racism. The obvious test of which is switch white with black/aboriginal/hispanic.

This is specifically the Critical Race Theory training that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon banned from US Government organisations (Robin DiAngelo) and Biden has reinstated.

It has zero to do with racial equality/harmony and everything to do with dismantling systems of authority and cultural marxism.


Whites on average in the US are still starting a hundred metres sprint race with a 50 odd metre head start, having had that advantage whittled down from the previous 99.5 over the centuries.

Most are still being served by the blacks amongst them, just at the modern equivalent of their plantation dinner tables. They need to be educated as to why this is the case, both historically and present.

That's definitely the narrative. I think it is very simplistic. With reference to some groups, such as Asian-Americans, it is simply false.

A bigger, but less fashionable, determinor of outcomes than racial ancestry is geography. It is a massive privilege to be born and raised in a big, globally connected city like NY, San Fran, Boston, compared to being born in rural America. Most of those who preach about privilege, have this particular privilege.

Till,I reckon in my opinion that the do gooders that want to keep flying the whites are a superior people flag,are the ones who are causing most of this divide..
For example,BLM in America scream reparation to black people...
Here in Australia we keep our indigenous brothers and sisters to a lower esteem...
Its garbage and should be fought against,because we are drifting further apart through no fault of our own as a united nation...
I cant and wont be held responsible for what happened 200 years ago here in Aust,and I wont support any BLM crap who I dont have time for...
I was always taught that people are equal ,irrelevent their skin colour,to love and look after one another and to live in peace with each other...
Minority garbage groups are causing unnecessary grief for people who live their lives respecting people of all race and colour...
My opinion wont suit everyone but it is mine and I will stand by what I have said...

IMO it has almost nothing to do with actual racism or providing equality of opportunity. This Robin DeAngelo, Ibrim X Kendi nonesense is straight cultural marxism and equality is not the objective. THe objective is the dismantling of existing institutions and systems to replace them with something else.

The problem with this IMO is that although these institutions have had problems in the past, they remain the best mechanism for improving all people in the present. The greatest day to ever be a black person in the US is today, tomorrow will be even better but throwing everything out does not ensure that this continues.

Capital based free markets have brought more people out of poverty than any other mechanism.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

It's also an uncomfortable truth that victims of sexual assault and rape are subject to all sorts of questioning of their character, worries about impact on their employment & livelihood that reporting their assault may create and the sorts of trauma that occur as a result clouds their judgement.

Maybe ***the scumbag should simply not harass women***?


No question of that fact.

There is no circumstance where any of this is Brittany Higgins fault. I am concerned that she is being used by others at the moment though. I personally dont understand the point of it all, her coming out, giving her name and face all over the media and genuinely questioning the processes is all fair enough, but for mine there is plenty in there that makes this a not straight forward case of systematic neglect. She didnt raise sexual assault, the parlimentary secretary did and told her that she should follow it up with police and that she would have the backing and support of the Libs and parliament. Her job was assured and when she understandably didnt want to hang around the parliament building and wanted to go back to Qld, the Libs offered her the same job up there. Its not like they did nothing for her. I just dont get the point of it all unless it is simply to score political points over the Libs? She is prepared to have her face and name all over the media, but not to prosecute the guy?

Meanwhile the scumbag isnt named or held to account.

Happy to name him, though apart from this guy getting jailed, what I also want is Morrison to be exposed for the liar that he continues to be. Reynolds should not be the next McKenzie female fall guy for this man.


Im not suggesting you name him, I dont think that would potentially be a great look for you or the forum and I dont think you should name him for that reason. Three girls have now said he sexually assaulted them and a fourth said he felt her up. These girls individually or collectively should be prosecuting him. He cant get off and he should go to gaol. I understand that it would be a traumatic process for teh girls but so must being paraded through the media like they are. I truly hope that she (Brittany) isnt being used in this circumstance.

I have no problem with Morrison being exposed if he lied. I assume the lie is regarding what he knew and was told and when? If that is the case he should be exposed for that and the reason for that lie investigated.

For mine though, based on the story that Brittany Higgins has given, as traumatic the incident was and the obviously upsetting repurcussions that followed, I genuinely cant see a lot that either the Liberal party or the parliamentary office staff could have done much better. The parliamentary office were the ones to say to Brittany, "no thats not right, its sexual assualt", they offered support to prosecute, the Libs ensured her job, they tried to get her the same job in Qld. I dont blame Brittany for not wanting to ahve anything to do with the system, but I dont really see what anyone else did wrong.

If that later progresses to people lying about what they knew and when, its a different story.

Do I have it far wrong?

When I look at the party in parliament or just about anywhere else their overall attitude to women seems endemic to the party and it is about time that those women within felt empowered to say that which they say off the record on it.

To see these guys on the image protection trail on the weekend and their body language captured in the following shot is a lot louder than the platitudes we hear from them.

Here we have a woman cuddling herself for security as she is circled by a group of men partially lifting a leg to thrust that which their arms and fingers are pointing towards forward at her. It is an attitude thing.


 

[Tiger5150]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

It's also an uncomfortable truth that victims of sexual assault and rape are subject to all sorts of questioning of their character, worries about impact on their employment & livelihood that reporting their assault may create and the sorts of trauma that occur as a result clouds their judgement.

Maybe ***the scumbag should simply not harass women***?


No question of that fact.

There is no circumstance where any of this is Brittany Higgins fault. I am concerned that she is being used by others at the moment though. I personally dont understand the point of it all, her coming out, giving her name and face all over the media and genuinely questioning the processes is all fair enough, but for mine there is plenty in there that makes this a not straight forward case of systematic neglect. She didnt raise sexual assault, the parlimentary secretary did and told her that she should follow it up with police and that she would have the backing and support of the Libs and parliament. Her job was assured and when she understandably didnt want to hang around the parliament building and wanted to go back to Qld, the Libs offered her the same job up there. Its not like they did nothing for her. I just dont get the point of it all unless it is simply to score political points over the Libs? She is prepared to have her face and name all over the media, but not to prosecute the guy?

Meanwhile the scumbag isnt named or held to account.

Happy to name him, though apart from this guy getting jailed, what I also want is Morrison to be exposed for the liar that he continues to be. Reynolds should not be the next McKenzie female fall guy for this man.


Im not suggesting you name him, I dont think that would potentially be a great look for you or the forum and I dont think you should name him for that reason. Three girls have now said he sexually assaulted them and a fourth said he felt her up. These girls individually or collectively should be prosecuting him. He cant get off and he should go to gaol. I understand that it would be a traumatic process for teh girls but so must being paraded through the media like they are. I truly hope that she (Brittany) isnt being used in this circumstance.

I have no problem with Morrison being exposed if he lied. I assume the lie is regarding what he knew and was told and when? If that is the case he should be exposed for that and the reason for that lie investigated.

For mine though, based on the story that Brittany Higgins has given, as traumatic the incident was and the obviously upsetting repurcussions that followed, I genuinely cant see a lot that either the Liberal party or the parliamentary office staff could have done much better. The parliamentary office were the ones to say to Brittany, "no thats not right, its sexual assualt", they offered support to prosecute, the Libs ensured her job, they tried to get her the same job in Qld. I dont blame Brittany for not wanting to ahve anything to do with the system, but I dont really see what anyone else did wrong.

If that later progresses to people lying about what they knew and when, its a different story.

Do I have it far wrong?

When I look at the party in parliament or just about anywhere else their overall attitude to women seems endemic to the party and it is about time that those women within felt empowered to say that which they say off the record on it.

To see these guys on the image protection trail on the weekend and their body language captured in the following shot is a lot louder than the platitudes we hear from them.

Here we have a woman cuddling herself for security as she is circled by a group of men partially lifting a leg to thrust that which their arms and fingers are pointing towards forward at her. It is an attitude thing.


I think that is a stretch (regarding that photo). For mine I'm still trying to work out what the parliamentary offices or Libs actually did wrong in Brittany Higgins case, and Im genuinely open to hearing and understanding it (not if its the way they stand near a girl on sand).

I still dont understand the purpose of Brittany coming forward in such a public way and yet not prosecute the guy. What is she hoping to change, what did she want done differently?

 

[coivtny]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

It's also an uncomfortable truth that victims of sexual assault and rape are subject to all sorts of questioning of their character, worries about impact on their employment & livelihood that reporting their assault may create and the sorts of trauma that occur as a result clouds their judgement.

Maybe ***the scumbag should simply not harass women***?


No question of that fact.

There is no circumstance where any of this is Brittany Higgins fault. I am concerned that she is being used by others at the moment though. I personally dont understand the point of it all, her coming out, giving her name and face all over the media and genuinely questioning the processes is all fair enough, but for mine there is plenty in there that makes this a not straight forward case of systematic neglect. She didnt raise sexual assault, the parlimentary secretary did and told her that she should follow it up with police and that she would have the backing and support of the Libs and parliament. Her job was assured and when she understandably didnt want to hang around the parliament building and wanted to go back to Qld, the Libs offered her the same job up there. Its not like they did nothing for her. I just dont get the point of it all unless it is simply to score political points over the Libs? She is prepared to have her face and name all over the media, but not to prosecute the guy?

Meanwhile the scumbag isnt named or held to account.

Happy to name him, though apart from this guy getting jailed, what I also want is Morrison to be exposed for the liar that he continues to be. Reynolds should not be the next McKenzie female fall guy for this man.


Im not suggesting you name him, I dont think that would potentially be a great look for you or the forum and I dont think you should name him for that reason. Three girls have now said he sexually assaulted them and a fourth said he felt her up. These girls individually or collectively should be prosecuting him. He cant get off and he should go to gaol. I understand that it would be a traumatic process for teh girls but so must being paraded through the media like they are. I truly hope that she (Brittany) isnt being used in this circumstance.

I have no problem with Morrison being exposed if he lied. I assume the lie is regarding what he knew and was told and when? If that is the case he should be exposed for that and the reason for that lie investigated.

For mine though, based on the story that Brittany Higgins has given, as traumatic the incident was and the obviously upsetting repurcussions that followed, I genuinely cant see a lot that either the Liberal party or the parliamentary office staff could have done much better. The parliamentary office were the ones to say to Brittany, "no thats not right, its sexual assualt", they offered support to prosecute, the Libs ensured her job, they tried to get her the same job in Qld. I dont blame Brittany for not wanting to ahve anything to do with the system, but I dont really see what anyone else did wrong.

If that later progresses to people lying about what they knew and when, its a different story.

Do I have it far wrong?

When I look at the party in parliament or just about anywhere else their overall attitude to women seems endemic to the party and it is about time that those women within felt empowered to say that which they say off the record on it.

To see these guys on the image protection trail on the weekend and their body language captured in the following shot is a lot louder than the platitudes we hear from them.

Here we have a woman cuddling herself for security as she is circled by a group of men partially lifting a leg to thrust that which their arms and fingers are pointing towards forward at her. It is an attitude thing.

:face_with_rolling_eyes:

 

[cochise]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

It's also an uncomfortable truth that victims of sexual assault and rape are subject to all sorts of questioning of their character, worries about impact on their employment & livelihood that reporting their assault may create and the sorts of trauma that occur as a result clouds their judgement.

Maybe ***the scumbag should simply not harass women***?


No question of that fact.

There is no circumstance where any of this is Brittany Higgins fault. I am concerned that she is being used by others at the moment though. I personally dont understand the point of it all, her coming out, giving her name and face all over the media and genuinely questioning the processes is all fair enough, but for mine there is plenty in there that makes this a not straight forward case of systematic neglect. She didnt raise sexual assault, the parlimentary secretary did and told her that she should follow it up with police and that she would have the backing and support of the Libs and parliament. Her job was assured and when she understandably didnt want to hang around the parliament building and wanted to go back to Qld, the Libs offered her the same job up there. Its not like they did nothing for her. I just dont get the point of it all unless it is simply to score political points over the Libs? She is prepared to have her face and name all over the media, but not to prosecute the guy?

Meanwhile the scumbag isnt named or held to account.

Happy to name him, though apart from this guy getting jailed, what I also want is Morrison to be exposed for the liar that he continues to be. Reynolds should not be the next McKenzie female fall guy for this man.


Im not suggesting you name him, I dont think that would potentially be a great look for you or the forum and I dont think you should name him for that reason. Three girls have now said he sexually assaulted them and a fourth said he felt her up. These girls individually or collectively should be prosecuting him. He cant get off and he should go to gaol. I understand that it would be a traumatic process for teh girls but so must being paraded through the media like they are. I truly hope that she (Brittany) isnt being used in this circumstance.

I have no problem with Morrison being exposed if he lied. I assume the lie is regarding what he knew and was told and when? If that is the case he should be exposed for that and the reason for that lie investigated.

For mine though, based on the story that Brittany Higgins has given, as traumatic the incident was and the obviously upsetting repurcussions that followed, I genuinely cant see a lot that either the Liberal party or the parliamentary office staff could have done much better. The parliamentary office were the ones to say to Brittany, "no thats not right, its sexual assualt", they offered support to prosecute, the Libs ensured her job, they tried to get her the same job in Qld. I dont blame Brittany for not wanting to ahve anything to do with the system, but I dont really see what anyone else did wrong.

If that later progresses to people lying about what they knew and when, its a different story.

Do I have it far wrong?

When I look at the party in parliament or just about anywhere else their overall attitude to women seems endemic to the party and it is about time that those women within felt empowered to say that which they say off the record on it.

To see these guys on the image protection trail on the weekend and their body language captured in the following shot is a lot louder than the platitudes we hear from them.

Here we have a woman cuddling herself for security as she is circled by a group of men partially lifting a leg to thrust that which their arms and fingers are pointing towards forward at her. It is an attitude thing.



I think that is a stretch (regarding that photo). For mine I'm still trying to work out what the parliamentary offices or Libs actually did wrong in Brittany Higgins case, and Im genuinely open to hearing and understanding it (not if its the way they stand near a girl on sand).

**I still dont understand the purpose of Brittany coming forward in such a public way and yet not prosecute the guy. What is she hoping to change, what did she want done differently?**

As you said it is not really your position to ask and critique her motives.

 

[Tiger5150]

Will get back to privilege of colour later.

In the meantime, back to that which I came on here earlier to discuss prior to reading on the above. As a Tigers fan, I hate to see this staffer that allegedly regularly sexually abuses woman given glowing references for future lobbying holding the game's trophy, particularly so that a fourth women has now come forward and potentially others soon to also speak out.



Its an uncomfortable truth that if Brittany Higgins (assuming she was the first of the 4) had reported it to police and pushed charges as recommended by the parliamentary secretary, this scumbag would have been dealt with and there wouldnt have been a 2nd, 3rd or 4th.

(genuinely not jumping on your posts FG)

It's also an uncomfortable truth that victims of sexual assault and rape are subject to all sorts of questioning of their character, worries about impact on their employment & livelihood that reporting their assault may create and the sorts of trauma that occur as a result clouds their judgement.

Maybe ***the scumbag should simply not harass women***?


No question of that fact.

There is no circumstance where any of this is Brittany Higgins fault. I am concerned that she is being used by others at the moment though. I personally dont understand the point of it all, her coming out, giving her name and face all over the media and genuinely questioning the processes is all fair enough, but for mine there is plenty in there that makes this a not straight forward case of systematic neglect. She didnt raise sexual assault, the parlimentary secretary did and told her that she should follow it up with police and that she would have the backing and support of the Libs and parliament. Her job was assured and when she understandably didnt want to hang around the parliament building and wanted to go back to Qld, the Libs offered her the same job up there. Its not like they did nothing for her. I just dont get the point of it all unless it is simply to score political points over the Libs? She is prepared to have her face and name all over the media, but not to prosecute the guy?

Meanwhile the scumbag isnt named or held to account.

Happy to name him, though apart from this guy getting jailed, what I also want is Morrison to be exposed for the liar that he continues to be. Reynolds should not be the next McKenzie female fall guy for this man.


Im not suggesting you name him, I dont think that would potentially be a great look for you or the forum and I dont think you should name him for that reason. Three girls have now said he sexually assaulted them and a fourth said he felt her up. These girls individually or collectively should be prosecuting him. He cant get off and he should go to gaol. I understand that it would be a traumatic process for teh girls but so must being paraded through the media like they are. I truly hope that she (Brittany) isnt being used in this circumstance.

I have no problem with Morrison being exposed if he lied. I assume the lie is regarding what he knew and was told and when? If that is the case he should be exposed for that and the reason for that lie investigated.

For mine though, based on the story that Brittany Higgins has given, as traumatic the incident was and the obviously upsetting repurcussions that followed, I genuinely cant see a lot that either the Liberal party or the parliamentary office staff could have done much better. The parliamentary office were the ones to say to Brittany, "no thats not right, its sexual assualt", they offered support to prosecute, the Libs ensured her job, they tried to get her the same job in Qld. I dont blame Brittany for not wanting to ahve anything to do with the system, but I dont really see what anyone else did wrong.

If that later progresses to people lying about what they knew and when, its a different story.

Do I have it far wrong?

When I look at the party in parliament or just about anywhere else their overall attitude to women seems endemic to the party and it is about time that those women within felt empowered to say that which they say off the record on it.

To see these guys on the image protection trail on the weekend and their body language captured in the following shot is a lot louder than the platitudes we hear from them.

Here we have a woman cuddling herself for security as she is circled by a group of men partially lifting a leg to thrust that which their arms and fingers are pointing towards forward at her. It is an attitude thing.



I think that is a stretch (regarding that photo). For mine I'm still trying to work out what the parliamentary offices or Libs actually did wrong in Brittany Higgins case, and Im genuinely open to hearing and understanding it (not if its the way they stand near a girl on sand).

**I still dont understand the purpose of Brittany coming forward in such a public way and yet not prosecute the guy. What is she hoping to change, what did she want done differently?**

As you said it is not really your position to ask and critique her motives.

In not criticising, merely saying I dont understand, and its not coming from a position of criticising or blaming her in any way. The reason I am trying to understand her motives is because I suspect and fear that others are behind the scenes using this girl and the ordeal she has been through for political capital.

 

[Tim Sheens]

So Morrison's pick over that of the party has quit the party and gone to the cross bench.