Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Saturnalia]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.


Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

If you think they are going to find something faster than light, I have some bad news for you.


If you think that glass pipes buried underground at the mercy of backhoes, excavators, seismic motion, subsidence, interface failure, infrastructure requiring constant maintenance is state of the art, I have some bad news for **you**. Fibre optic is distance dependent (signal degrades over distance).

TEchnology is evolving incredibly quickly. Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now at approximately 50% the cost and is fast to implement and decommission as new technology becomes available.

Based on the constantly changing technology environment, why would you wed yourself to massive debt and maintenance responsibility of a nation of trenches and glass pipes?

Wireless suffers from congestion, and that will basically make it DOA. Buried cables you can control the contention ratio, HFC also suffers from this.

Also that is some nice ***Liberal party doublespeak*** you have going on there,

"Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now"

It's not faster than fiber though, is it?

From a user on whirlpool,

"I am getting 6/6 right now (peak hour) on my 50/20 connection off a fibre fed tower

It wasn't this bad until they reassigned heaps of streets from FTTx to FW!"

Anyway , I don't live in Oz anymore, so I don't need to worry about this nonsense for a few more years.

Anyway, was trying to have a conversation/discussion in good faith but you are clearly not up to it. Feel free to continue the conversation yourself, build a couple of straw men and put some words in their mouth....

Trying to take the high road only works when you're not ***deliberately misrepresenting what people are arguing***.

NBN isn't a technology, saying "Microwave wireless is just as fast as the NBN" doesn't mean anything and is designed to confuse users who don't understand what the difference between, ADSL, VDSL, Fibre to the home, Fibre to the Node, Fixed Wireless means.

"Arguing in good faith" .

No you weren't .

Not a particularly finely tuned sense of irony you have Sataris. Irony is when you accuse me of "deliberately misrepresent what people are arguing" and also accuse them of "liberal party double speak".

As I said, im happy to take place in good faith discussion, you are clearly incapable and the fact that you double down is all I need to see. Enjoy yourself.

Apologies for being so aggressive, this is an important issue for me.

I will give myself an uppercut.

 

[TillLindemann]

As an aside, when I was stalking the Wigan forum looking for gossip about Jackson Hastings, I noticed their forum banned politics discussions. I can only imagine what kind of heated arguments went down prior to that decision.
As someone who has repeatedly posted political stuff on here and is therefore a hypocrite: I have to say, man, politics is the worst. Most of us probably have very similar outlooks on life, but it's so easy to get bogged down in partisan squabbling.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Regardless of anything else, the wholesale change to the fibre to the node model was and always will be a ridiculous and to the post of @TillLindemann above, definitely a partisan political move.

Anyone that lives around a pillar (penis shaped aluminium network Junction point) will know just how much daily continuing work that should have been virtually if not completely eliminated in so many areas for several years plus now, including mine, is still being carried out.

 

[mike]

Given the landslide (edit: quoted as an extinction level event) results with the WA election, the next Federal Election should be interesting. I'd say Morrison is in a lot of trouble.

 

[jadtiger]

Given the landslide (edit: quoted as an extinction level event) results with the WA election, the next Federal Election should be interesting. I'd say Morrison is in a lot of trouble.

A fairly large proportion of the slaughter can be put down to the WA governments reaction to covid(positive reaction). However undoubtedly there is at least some responsibilty to be sheeted home to a federal government which is about as lively as a rheumatic sloth.Ularu acts faster than our federal government except when it comes to sweeping issues under the ministerial carpet.

 

[Yossarian]

At least the WA government might be able to get rid of the last parts of that ridiculous and undemocratic malapportionment they’re running in the upper house.

 

[Tiger5150]

WA Government rewarded for COVID handling. I think that will be the pattern for a while in Aus (maybe not Vic?).

 

[Tim Sheens]

WA Government rewarded for COVID handling. I think that will be the pattern for a while in Aus (maybe not Vic?).

Mostly, no doubt, though I expect the final nails in the coffin were from woman and others venting their disgust at Morrison with his handling of their local representative Porter's rape allegations.

Even though he is a shallow man full of spin, I still cannot comprehend the depth of Morrison's arrogance by commenting on it without even reading that which the friends of Kate sent directly to him.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The trumpeting of the three word slogan "rule of law" ad nauseam and rejection of an independent review into the matter of alleged rape by our AG, from a government that created an investigation into our first female PM, then knowingly continued illegally targeting many innocent and at the cost of so many lives with Robodebt, will not wash this time around.

Tomorrow's weather will likely keep a lot of people off the streets around the nation, but there is a lot of anger in the community, particularly and naturally amongst women, so will be still be large numbers marching on the streets and this will not go away unless acted properly upon.

The days of the self proclaimed "big swinging dicks" club is coming to an end and about bloody time!

Edit; The disproportionate response to a female CEO in Holgate over some watches is also going to bite and continue to until real change is made within the coalition, as they won't cop another female scalp in Reynolds (who also probably needs to go), when McKenzie already fell to protect a man.

 

[Tim Sheens]

“I watched the PM apologise to me through the media while his office actively worked to discredit my loved ones.” - Brittany Higgins

 

[Tiger5150]

“I watched the PM apologise to me through the media while his office actively worked to discredit my loved ones.” - Brittany Higgins

Serious but dangerous question. Why is this woman not prosecuting the man that did this to her?

I understand it would be a horrible and traumatic experience, where you are forced to revisit it multiple times, under scrutiny, but with the publicity surrounding this issue now, surely she couldnt be more exposed.

There are (I think) three other women that this guy is accused of assaulting, this may not have happened if he was prosecuted.

Without the prosecution, it all starts to look like politicisation of a horrible event.

 

[Tim Sheens]

“I watched the PM apologise to me through the media while his office actively worked to discredit my loved ones.” - Brittany Higgins


Serious but dangerous question. Why is this woman not prosecuting the man that did this to her?

I understand it would be a horrible and traumatic experience, where you are forced to revisit it multiple times, under scrutiny, but with the publicity surrounding this issue now, surely she couldnt be more exposed.

There are (I think) three other women that this guy is accused of assaulting, this may not have happened if he was prosecuted.

Without the prosecution, it all starts to look like politicisation of a horrible event.

Isn't she?

 

[cochise]

“I watched the PM apologise to me through the media while his office actively worked to discredit my loved ones.” - Brittany Higgins


Serious but dangerous question. Why is this woman not prosecuting the man that did this to her?

I understand it would be a horrible and traumatic experience, where you are forced to revisit it multiple times, under scrutiny, but with the publicity surrounding this issue now, surely she couldnt be more exposed.

**There are (I think) three other women that this guy is accused of assaulting, this may not have happened if he was prosecuted.**

Without the prosecution, it all starts to look like politicisation of a horrible event.

There were reports a couple of weeks ago that she was going to go to the police and make a formal report. I am unaware if that has happened or not.

I really don't like the part of your post that I have bolded, that is placing a level of blame on the victim for future crimes of the perpetrator, that is not right. If these events occurred there is one person to blame and that is the perpetrator and not the victim.

 

[tigger]

The trumpeting of the three word slogan "rule of law" ad nauseam and rejection of an independent review into the matter of alleged rape by our AG, from a government that created an investigation into our first female PM, then knowingly continued illegally targeting many innocent and at the cost of so many lives with Robodebt, will not wash this time around.

Tomorrow's weather will likely keep a lot of people off the streets around the nation, but there is a lot of anger in the community, particularly and naturally amongst women, so will be still be large numbers marching on the streets and this will not go away unless acted properly upon.

The days of the self proclaimed "big swinging dicks" club is coming to an end and about bloody time!

Edit; The disproportionate response to a female CEO in Holgate over some watches is also going to bite and continue to until real change is made within the coalition, as they won't cop another female scalp in Reynolds (who also probably needs to go), when McKenzie already fell to protect a man.

I'm surprised that the Peter Slipper affair has been raised as a point of comparison.

Slipper was speaker of the house when allegations of sexual harassment were made against him. The the Liberal opposition virtually hounded him out of office with demands that he step aside pending an outcome to the court proceedings. Not a different group of Liberal politicians, I might add, but much the same group as those who are now saying "presumption of innocence/ one law applying to all" etc

Admittedly, the allegations against Slipper (subsequently found by a judge to be totally false and politically motivated) were current and not historical, but weighing against that are the facts that the allegations against Porter are far more serious and the post that he holds is far more important.

 

[tigger]

The trumpeting of the three word slogan "rule of law" ad nauseam and rejection of an independent review into the matter of alleged rape by our AG, from a government that created an investigation into our first female PM, then knowingly continued illegally targeting many innocent and at the cost of so many lives with Robodebt, will not wash this time around.

Tomorrow's weather will likely keep a lot of people off the streets around the nation, but there is a lot of anger in the community, particularly and naturally amongst women, so will be still be large numbers marching on the streets and this will not go away unless acted properly upon.

The days of the self proclaimed "big swinging dicks" club is coming to an end and about bloody time!

Edit; The disproportionate response to a female CEO in Holgate over some watches is also going to bite and continue to until real change is made within the coalition, as they won't cop another female scalp in Reynolds (who also probably needs to go), when McKenzie already fell to protect a man.

I'm surprised that the Peter Slipper affair has been raised as a point of comparison.

Slipper was speaker of the house when allegations of sexual harassment were made against him. The the Liberal opposition virtually hounded him out of office with demands that he step aside pending an outcome to the court proceedings. Not a different group of Liberal politicians, I might add, but much the same group as those who are now saying "presumption of innocence/ one law applying to all" etc

Admittedly, the allegations against Slipper (subsequently found by a judge to be totally false and politically motivated) were current and not historical, but weighing against that are the facts that the allegations against Porter are far more serious and the post that he holds is far more important.

Not sure how you edit something but the first line of my post should have read:

" I'm surprised that the Peter Slipper affair ***hasn't*** been raised as a point of comparison".

 

[Tiger5150]

“I watched the PM apologise to me through the media while his office actively worked to discredit my loved ones.” - Brittany Higgins


Serious but dangerous question. Why is this woman not prosecuting the man that did this to her?

I understand it would be a horrible and traumatic experience, where you are forced to revisit it multiple times, under scrutiny, but with the publicity surrounding this issue now, surely she couldnt be more exposed.

**There are (I think) three other women that this guy is accused of assaulting, this may not have happened if he was prosecuted.**

Without the prosecution, it all starts to look like politicisation of a horrible event.

There were reports a couple of weeks ago that she was going to go to the police and make a formal report. I am unaware if that has happened or not.

There were reports she was going to on 25/02 but no reports that it has happened and the more that is discussed about it daily in public the chances of prosecution diminish.


I really don't like the part of your post that I have bolded, that is placing a level of blame on the victim for future crimes of the perpetrator, that is not right. If these events occurred there is one person to blame and that is the perpetrator and not the victim.

Why is any criminal prosecuted? To punish the criminal and protect the public.

Of course its not the victims fault if the perpetrator commits a crime, it is the perpetrators decision and his fault, however it is a stone cold fact that if the perpetrator was prosecuted he would not have repeated the crimes.

 

[Tiger5150]

“I watched the PM apologise to me through the media while his office actively worked to discredit my loved ones.” - Brittany Higgins


Serious but dangerous question. Why is this woman not prosecuting the man that did this to her?

I understand it would be a horrible and traumatic experience, where you are forced to revisit it multiple times, under scrutiny, but with the publicity surrounding this issue now, surely she couldnt be more exposed.

There are (I think) three other women that this guy is accused of assaulting, this may not have happened if he was prosecuted.

Without the prosecution, it all starts to look like politicisation of a horrible event.

Isn't she?

There were reports she was going to on 25/02 but no reports that it has happened. The amount of daily reporting implied to me that it hasnt happened.

 

[Tiger5150]

“I watched the PM apologise to me through the media while his office actively worked to discredit my loved ones.” - Brittany Higgins


Serious but dangerous question. Why is this woman not prosecuting the man that did this to her?

I understand it would be a horrible and traumatic experience, where you are forced to revisit it multiple times, under scrutiny, but with the publicity surrounding this issue now, surely she couldnt be more exposed.

**There are (I think) three other women that this guy is accused of assaulting, this may not have happened if he was prosecuted.**

Without the prosecution, it all starts to look like politicisation of a horrible event.

There were reports a couple of weeks ago that she was going to go to the police and make a formal report. I am unaware if that has happened or not.

It hasnt happened and the more that is discussed about it daily in public the chances of prosecution diminish.


I really don't like the part of your post that I have bolded, that is placing a level of blame on the victim for future crimes of the perpetrator, that is not right. If these events occurred there is one person to blame and that is the perpetrator and not the victim.

Why is any criminal prosecuted? To punish the criminal and protect the public.

Of course its not the victims fault if the perpetrator commits a crime, it is the perpetrators decision and his fault, however it is a stone cold fact that if the perpetrator was prosecuted he would not have repeated the crimes.

 

[innsaneink]

I thought Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was supposed to be back by now