Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Enmoretiger 0]

Please ***I don't mind being quoted, but get it right.***
John Howard DID preceded over the largest non war deficit this country has seen and that was when he was treasure under Fraser.

Mate I dont want to misquote you, which is why I have left this quote on by itself. It is simply untrue.

82 was Howards last budget as treasurer and it was surplus, not deficit.

The economy was buggered at this time and there was double digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment.....it was also global.

Hawke and Keating then undertook the most extensive restructure since the war and completely fixed the underlying economic issues.

The largest deficits of all time have been under Rudd (2010, post GFC) and 2020 under Morrisson (COVID).

Correct me if Ive misquoted you anywhere.

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-budget

Ok I owe some facts, I will get back to this but at the moment too busy at work, but I will leave you with this; John Howard has the distinguish of being the only treasurer in Australian history to have inflation, unemployment & interest rates at double figurers.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Disgusted to hear during questioning that our PM did not say sorry to Brittany Higgins during their meeting. That would be amongst, if not the first words from any true leader, yet all we get is a dodgy report tabled in parliament, along with obfuscation and refusal to answer in estimates.

Got me stuffed how any decent person could vote for a party led by this terrible man. By far the worst since I can remember with any clarity.

He only would have done it if there was an opportunity for a photo op.

He is a disgrace. Tony Abbott had dated views but he had conviction and walked his talk.

I'm sure at the time you hated Abbot too
I doubt you are a fan of any liberal pm

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Labor got hammered in the bi election the media was cheering for it to be close... silent majority prevailed I guess with the Nationals winning.
Labor needs to ditch the green left policies

 

[bathursttiger1]

Please ***I don't mind being quoted, but get it right.***
John Howard DID preceded over the largest non war deficit this country has seen and that was when he was treasure under Fraser.

Mate I dont want to misquote you, which is why I have left this quote on by itself. It is simply untrue.

82 was Howards last budget as treasurer and it was surplus, not deficit.

The economy was buggered at this time and there was double digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment.....it was also global.

Hawke and Keating then undertook the most extensive restructure since the war and completely fixed the underlying economic issues.

The largest deficits of all time have been under Rudd (2010, post GFC) and 2020 under Morrisson (COVID).

Correct me if Ive misquoted you anywhere.

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-budget

Ok I owe some facts, I will get back to this but at the moment too busy at work, but I will leave you with this; John Howard has the distinguish of being the only treasurer in Australian history to have inflation, unemployment & interest rates at double figurers.

Have a look at interest rates under Keating, we had a mortgage at the time he was treasurer paying 21% through a building society.
That's enough to never trust Labor ever again.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Disgusted to hear during questioning that our PM did not say sorry to Brittany Higgins during their meeting. That would be amongst, if not the first words from any true leader, yet all we get is a dodgy report tabled in parliament, along with obfuscation and refusal to answer in estimates.

Got me stuffed how any decent person could vote for a party led by this terrible man. By far the worst since I can remember with any clarity.

He only would have done it if there was an opportunity for a photo op.

He is a disgrace. Tony Abbott had dated views but he had conviction and walked his talk.

I'm sure at the time you hated Abbot too
I doubt you are a fan of any liberal pm

No you're right, I didn't like Abbott as a PM. His views on many things are very different to mine. However, I give the bloke credit that he takes his civic duty very seriously and he was a man of conviction. A big difference between not liking the bloke and not respecting him.

I didn't mind Turnbull, as he is a proper liberal. I probably would have been a fan of Fraser had I been around at the time too.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Please ***I don't mind being quoted, but get it right.***
John Howard DID preceded over the largest non war deficit this country has seen and that was when he was treasure under Fraser.

Mate I dont want to misquote you, which is why I have left this quote on by itself. It is simply untrue.

82 was Howards last budget as treasurer and it was surplus, not deficit.

The economy was buggered at this time and there was double digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment.....it was also global.

Hawke and Keating then undertook the most extensive restructure since the war and completely fixed the underlying economic issues.

The largest deficits of all time have been under Rudd (2010, post GFC) and 2020 under Morrisson (COVID).

Correct me if Ive misquoted you anywhere.

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-budget

Ok I owe some facts, I will get back to this but at the moment too busy at work, but I will leave you with this; John Howard has the distinguish of being the only treasurer in Australian history to have inflation, unemployment & interest rates at double figurers.

Have a look at interest rates under Keating, we had a mortgage at the time he was treasurer paying 21% through a building society.
That's enough to never trust Labor ever again.

As opposed to housing prices now where rates can only go up without the benefit of housing being cheap, inflation and house pricing outstripping wage growth, local manufacturing jobs, paying off mortgages with single incomes and stable full time employment?

 

[jadtiger]

Disgusted to hear during questioning that our PM did not say sorry to Brittany Higgins during their meeting. That would be amongst, if not the first words from any true leader, yet all we get is a dodgy report tabled in parliament, along with obfuscation and refusal to answer in estimates.

Got me stuffed how any decent person could vote for a party led by this terrible man. By far the worst since I can remember with any clarity.

He only would have done it if there was an opportunity for a photo op.

He is a disgrace. Tony Abbott had dated views but he had conviction and walked his talk.

I'm sure at the time you hated Abbot too
I doubt you are a fan of any liberal pm

No you're right, I didn't like Abbott as a PM. His views on many things are very different to mine. However, I give the bloke credit that he takes his civic duty very seriously and he was a man of conviction. A big difference between not liking the bloke and not respecting him.

I didn't mind Turnbull, as he is a proper liberal. I probably would have been a fan of Fraser had I been around at the time too.

Fraser became a decent man after he left politics,there was very little to like before

 

[cktiger]

Disgusted to hear during questioning that our PM did not say sorry to Brittany Higgins during their meeting. That would be amongst, if not the first words from any true leader, yet all we get is a dodgy report tabled in parliament, along with obfuscation and refusal to answer in estimates.

Got me stuffed how any decent person could vote for a party led by this terrible man. By far the worst since I can remember with any clarity.

He only would have done it if there was an opportunity for a photo op.

He is a disgrace. Tony Abbott had dated views but he had conviction and walked his talk.

I'm sure at the time you hated Abbot too
I doubt you are a fan of any liberal pm

No you're right, I didn't like Abbott as a PM. His views on many things are very different to mine. However, I give the bloke credit that he takes his civic duty very seriously and he was a man of conviction. A big difference between not liking the bloke and not respecting him.

I didn't mind Turnbull, as he is a proper liberal. I probably would have been a fan of Fraser had I been around at the time too.

Turnbull is so far from a proper Liberal it’s not funny.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Disgusted to hear during questioning that our PM did not say sorry to Brittany Higgins during their meeting. That would be amongst, if not the first words from any true leader, yet all we get is a dodgy report tabled in parliament, along with obfuscation and refusal to answer in estimates.

Got me stuffed how any decent person could vote for a party led by this terrible man. By far the worst since I can remember with any clarity.

He only would have done it if there was an opportunity for a photo op.

He is a disgrace. Tony Abbott had dated views but he had conviction and walked his talk.

I'm sure at the time you hated Abbot too
I doubt you are a fan of any liberal pm

No you're right, I didn't like Abbott as a PM. His views on many things are very different to mine. However, I give the bloke credit that he takes his civic duty very seriously and he was a man of conviction. A big difference between not liking the bloke and not respecting him.

I didn't mind Turnbull, as he is a proper liberal. I probably would have been a fan of Fraser had I been around at the time too.

Turnbull is so far from a proper Liberal it’s not funny.

Economically and socially liberal. He is the very definition of a small "L" liberal, which is what the party was founded under. Promotes free market and liberal conservatism.

Problem is the Liberal party is now a full fledged Conservative Party.

 

[jadtiger]

Disgusted to hear during questioning that our PM did not say sorry to Brittany Higgins during their meeting. That would be amongst, if not the first words from any true leader, yet all we get is a dodgy report tabled in parliament, along with obfuscation and refusal to answer in estimates.

Got me stuffed how any decent person could vote for a party led by this terrible man. By far the worst since I can remember with any clarity.

He only would have done it if there was an opportunity for a photo op.

He is a disgrace. Tony Abbott had dated views but he had conviction and walked his talk.

I'm sure at the time you hated Abbot too
I doubt you are a fan of any liberal pm

No you're right, I didn't like Abbott as a PM. His views on many things are very different to mine. However, I give the bloke credit that he takes his civic duty very seriously and he was a man of conviction. A big difference between not liking the bloke and not respecting him.

I didn't mind Turnbull, as he is a proper liberal. I probably would have been a fan of Fraser had I been around at the time too.

Turnbull is so far from a proper Liberal it’s not funny.

The Liberal party is the exact opposite of what its name implies.

 

[cktiger]

Disgusted to hear during questioning that our PM did not say sorry to Brittany Higgins during their meeting. That would be amongst, if not the first words from any true leader, yet all we get is a dodgy report tabled in parliament, along with obfuscation and refusal to answer in estimates.

Got me stuffed how any decent person could vote for a party led by this terrible man. By far the worst since I can remember with any clarity.

He only would have done it if there was an opportunity for a photo op.

He is a disgrace. Tony Abbott had dated views but he had conviction and walked his talk.

I'm sure at the time you hated Abbot too
I doubt you are a fan of any liberal pm

No you're right, I didn't like Abbott as a PM. His views on many things are very different to mine. However, I give the bloke credit that he takes his civic duty very seriously and he was a man of conviction. A big difference between not liking the bloke and not respecting him.

I didn't mind Turnbull, as he is a proper liberal. I probably would have been a fan of Fraser had I been around at the time too.

Turnbull is so far from a proper Liberal it’s not funny.


The Liberal party is the exact opposite of what its name implies.

Could pretty much say the same for Labor...although the unions keep trying to hold them to it.

 

[Tiger5150]

Labor got hammered in the bi election the media was cheering for it to be close... silent majority prevailed I guess with the Nationals winning.
Labor needs to ditch the green left policies

I have voted for Labor in the past but not a naturally inclined Labor voter. I have been very encouraged by Albanese's leadership. He seems to have intentionally steered away from the radical left policies and intersectional politics and critical theory/critical race theory that the left are pushing global. There are easy wins in intersectionality and critical theory from a media/publicity POV but it comes at a societal cost and I believe in Aus a political (ballot box) cost.

Ive been impressed with Albo to date and if they present with decent set of policies, Im inclined to give him a shot.

 

[Tiger5150]

Please ***I don't mind being quoted, but get it right.***
John Howard DID preceded over the largest non war deficit this country has seen and that was when he was treasure under Fraser.

Mate I dont want to misquote you, which is why I have left this quote on by itself. It is simply untrue.

82 was Howards last budget as treasurer and it was surplus, not deficit.

The economy was buggered at this time and there was double digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment.....it was also global.

Hawke and Keating then undertook the most extensive restructure since the war and completely fixed the underlying economic issues.

The largest deficits of all time have been under Rudd (2010, post GFC) and 2020 under Morrisson (COVID).

Correct me if Ive misquoted you anywhere.

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-budget

Ok I owe some facts, I will get back to this but at the moment too busy at work, but I will leave you with this; John Howard has the distinguish of being the only treasurer in Australian history to have inflation, unemployment & interest rates at double figurers.

Speaking of facts,

the historically highest unemployment rate (post depression) in Aus, 11.2% 1994 Under Paul Keating as treasurer.

https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/unemployment-rate

the historically highest mortgage interest rate in Aus, 17% 1989 Under Paul Keating as treasurer.

https://www.infochoice.com.au/rate-watch/history-of-interest-rate-movements/

the historically highest inflation rate (post depression) in Aus, 15.42% 1974 Under Gough Whitlams Labor Govt.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AUS/australia/inflation-rate-cpi

 

[Tiger5150]

Disgusted to hear during questioning that our PM did not say sorry to Brittany Higgins during their meeting. That would be amongst, if not the first words from any true leader, yet all we get is a dodgy report tabled in parliament, along with obfuscation and refusal to answer in estimates.

Got me stuffed how any decent person could vote for a party led by this terrible man. By far the worst since I can remember with any clarity.

He only would have done it if there was an opportunity for a photo op.

He is a disgrace. Tony Abbott had dated views but he had conviction and walked his talk.

I'm sure at the time you hated Abbot too
I doubt you are a fan of any liberal pm

No you're right, I didn't like Abbott as a PM. His views on many things are very different to mine. However, I give the bloke credit that he takes his civic duty very seriously and he was a man of conviction. A big difference between not liking the bloke and not respecting him.

I didn't mind Turnbull, as he is a proper liberal. ***I probably would have been a fan of Fraser*** had I been around at the time too.

I doubt you would have been a fan of Fraser or his policies at the time. Most people make the connection as someone else his in this thread, "that Fraser became a good bloke" after he left, but that is simply incorrect. IMO what the truth is that in the late 70's the global western economies were terribly old fashioned, terribly structured and not equipped to face the global future with most countries embracing protectionism and nationalist economic policies that could not be sustained in an increasingly global economy. Fraser instigated economic change that was pretty unpopular but necessary, but also didnt go far enough. Hawke and Keating grabbed what Fraser started and implemented incredible structural change that was desperately need in Australia. YOu have to remember that it is no coincidence that you got Fraser, Thatcher and then Reagan during roughly the same periods and whilst these guys were incredibly unpopular, they all made important structural changes within their nations economies that set all of them up for many prosperous years ahead (Hawke & Keating did the heavy lifting here, but Fraser kicked it off).

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Disgusted to hear during questioning that our PM did not say sorry to Brittany Higgins during their meeting. That would be amongst, if not the first words from any true leader, yet all we get is a dodgy report tabled in parliament, along with obfuscation and refusal to answer in estimates.

Got me stuffed how any decent person could vote for a party led by this terrible man. By far the worst since I can remember with any clarity.

He only would have done it if there was an opportunity for a photo op.

He is a disgrace. Tony Abbott had dated views but he had conviction and walked his talk.

I'm sure at the time you hated Abbot too
I doubt you are a fan of any liberal pm

No you're right, I didn't like Abbott as a PM. His views on many things are very different to mine. However, I give the bloke credit that he takes his civic duty very seriously and he was a man of conviction. A big difference between not liking the bloke and not respecting him.

I didn't mind Turnbull, as he is a proper liberal. ***I probably would have been a fan of Fraser*** had I been around at the time too.

I doubt you would have been a fan of Fraser or his policies at the time. Most people make the connection as someone else his in this thread, "that Fraser became a good bloke" after he left, but that is simply incorrect. IMO what the truth is that in the late 70's the global western economies were terribly old fashioned, terribly structured and not equipped to face the global future with most countries embracing protectionism and nationalist economic policies that could not be sustained in an increasingly global economy. Fraser instigated economic change that was pretty unpopular but necessary, but also didnt go far enough. Hawke and Keating grabbed what Fraser started and implemented incredible structural change that was desperately need in Australia. YOu have to remember that it is no coincidence that you got Fraser, Thatcher and then Reagan during roughly the same periods and whilst these guys were incredibly unpopular, they all made important structural changes within their nations economies that set all of them up for many prosperous years ahead (Hawke & Keating did the heavy lifting here, but Fraser kicked it off).

Yes I must admit I base my opinion of his post political activity (Hawke was PM when I was born,) and as such it may not (as I have been told more than once now,) necessarily correlate to his term as PM.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]


 

[Cultured_Bogan]


This is an example of what I have addressed previously. Even in Indigenous communities there are a raft of varying and countering opinions on how to improve the lives of descendants of Indigenous Australians. Some vary from what would be considered identity politics to people like Jacinta Nampijinpa Price and Pat Dodson whom are trying to tackle problems at an institutional level. Electing more representatives like them will have better outcomes for them than chanting in the streets.

 

[Tiger5150]


This is an example of what I have addressed previously. Even in Indigenous communities there are a raft of varying and countering opinions on how to improve the lives of descendants of Indigenous Australians. Some vary from what would be considered identity politics to people like Jacinta Nampijinpa Price and Pat Dodson whom are trying to tackle problems at an institutional level. Electing more representatives like them will have better outcomes for them than chanting in the streets.

Agree 1000%

 

[tigger]

This is an example of what I have addressed previously. Even in Indigenous communities there are a raft of varying and countering opinions on how to improve the lives of descendants of Indigenous Australians. Some vary from what would be considered identity politics to people like Jacinta Nampijinpa Price and Pat Dodson whom are trying to tackle problems at an institutional level. Electing more representatives like them will have better outcomes for them than chanting in the streets.

You're absolutely right CB. No different to the rest of society really. There is usually a range of different views and approaches on almost every social/economic issue. it would be naive to think that all aboriginal people shared the same view on how their interests are best served.