Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Mac]

Really good to see the sister of her sick Biloela sibling returned from exile on Christmas Island disembark with her father in Perth a matter of minutes ago to be together as a family.
Just as good to see a few others join O’Dowd and Zimmerman’s voices to drown out some of the darkness that has long controlled the coalition. I don’t extend my thanks as far for Katie Allen, as being a paediatrician, her voice should have long been the loudest.

My local federal member (liberal) also raised issues with the way this fiasco has been handled.It is long overdue that the more moderate liberals took a moral stand on this issue but the cynic in me thinks that is partly due to what happened to the federal seat next to us where Abbott was thrown out at last election.I live in a strong liberal seat but it has very few of the extreme nutters in the electorate.

Serious question…
Do you think that if two people are in Australia on a temporary protection visa, meaning they do not have permanent status and are likely to be asked to leave/deported that if those two people have children here it qualifies them for permanent residency?

Each and every case should be handled on its merits and not some mandatory rule.There should always be common sense applied,*****due you honestly think if they were white poms/yanks overstaying their visa they would have been incarcerated the same way?*****As i said common sense should be applied something our government do not understand

100% if they were white they would have been incarcerated the same way. I frankly find it astounding that you think this happened based on race.
I personally have friends that are eastern european (very white), she had an MBA, he was a Dr, kids in school here, paid massive taxes and fees and when their VISAs ran out they had to leave (he was older than 45). If they didnt they would have been incarcerated for breaking the law. If all they had to do was have a kid here…
If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.

Tiger5150, IF your friends HAD overstayed their visa and fought it through the courts (which they are entitled to do), do you think the government would have re-opened Christmas Island for just them and detained them there until the case was resolved?

 

[sleeve]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them


I do fully understand that, which backs up what I am saying.

This "family" were here on temporary protection visas. I use the "" because they did not come as a family, they met here and had kids here. It is the terms of the TPV that you are not here permanently and will be returned home. End of story. Irresponsible to have a child under those circumstances let alone two. I dont particularly blame the parents, Im sure there were many refugee advocates advising them.

Everyone else from SL on a TPV are returned.

Why I say it backs up what I am saying is this.......I obviously do genuinely feel for this family, it sucks and I can put myself in their shoes, but they new the rules. I can also put myself in the shoes of other TPV holders and more importantly (and this is where your concern for regional industry kicks in) the THOUSANDS applying for refugee status through the correct channels or applying to immigrate. There is no shortage of people wanting to come here.

I would like to know how many immigrants are getting government handouts, when our pensioners who built this country live on cat food ?

 

[TillLindemann]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

 

[Tiger5150]

Really good to see the sister of her sick Biloela sibling returned from exile on Christmas Island disembark with her father in Perth a matter of minutes ago to be together as a family.
Just as good to see a few others join O’Dowd and Zimmerman’s voices to drown out some of the darkness that has long controlled the coalition. I don’t extend my thanks as far for Katie Allen, as being a paediatrician, her voice should have long been the loudest.

My local federal member (liberal) also raised issues with the way this fiasco has been handled.It is long overdue that the more moderate liberals took a moral stand on this issue but the cynic in me thinks that is partly due to what happened to the federal seat next to us where Abbott was thrown out at last election.I live in a strong liberal seat but it has very few of the extreme nutters in the electorate.

Serious question…
Do you think that if two people are in Australia on a temporary protection visa, meaning they do not have permanent status and are likely to be asked to leave/deported that if those two people have children here it qualifies them for permanent residency?

Each and every case should be handled on its merits and not some mandatory rule.There should always be common sense applied,*****due you honestly think if they were white poms/yanks overstaying their visa they would have been incarcerated the same way?*****As i said common sense should be applied something our government do not understand

100% if they were white they would have been incarcerated the same way. I frankly find it astounding that you think this happened based on race.
I personally have friends that are eastern european (very white), she had an MBA, he was a Dr, kids in school here, paid massive taxes and fees and when their VISAs ran out they had to leave (he was older than 45). If they didnt they would have been incarcerated for breaking the law. If all they had to do was have a kid here…
If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


Tiger5150, IF your friends HAD overstayed their visa and fought it through the courts (which they are entitled to do), do you think the government would have re-opened Christmas Island for just them and detained them there until the case was resolved?

My friends werent here on a ***temporary*** protection visa. Your point? Do you think they are being treated differently on race? Seriously?

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

One of my personal heroes - Katherine Birbalsingh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5C138Wu3bY

 

[happy_tiger]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

So you been up this way and seen what happens everytime we have any even remotely major project ...the locals bail from their jobs ......thousands move in to town .......and I'm no corporate lobbyist ...I'm the poor bugger who can't staff my business

 

[Tim Sheens]

Do the people here espousing that Tamils should be sent home to a country that still persecutes them think that our government does not agree with that based on fact or for re-election politics?

Thousands of cases of ministerial intervention from this government to overturn decisions made by their subordinates and this case would almost certainly be more deserving than most all of the others.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I think we can all see the relevance of this tweet that I saw this morning and have a laugh through somebody's efforts.


 

[Tiger5150]

Do the people here espousing that Tamils should be sent home to a country that still persecutes them think that our government does not agree with that based on fact or for re-election politics?

Thousands of cases of ministerial intervention from this government to overturn decisions made by their subordinates and this case would almost certainly be more deserving than most all of the others.

Thousands of Tamils have been sent back already. We know these ones names is the only difference.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.

 

[Nelson]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

So you been up this way and seen what happens everytime we have any even remotely major project ...the locals bail from their jobs ......thousands move in to town .......and I'm no corporate lobbyist ...I'm the poor bugger who can't staff my business

Maybe you're just an insufferable boss that nobody wants to work for.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.

Sadly, all major parties (the LNP, ALP/Greens) actively work on deindustrialisation of Australia, and this go back at least 40 years!:angry:
They simply do not care about farmers, blue-collar or mining jobs!

 

[Tim Sheens]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.

And from July 1st they will be making many fragile people again have to apply for 20 jobs that don't exist on the whole as part of a bonus fuelled provider system. A stance that both business and recipient advocates overall agree is way to onerous and leads to unnecessary suffering.

 

[mike]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.

100%. Also you only need to work for 1hr a week to be classified as employed. Additionally unless you register at Centerlink you are not counted as unemployed as well. Sadly unemployment is far higher than the “official” figures.

 

[TrueTiger]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.

100%. Also you only need to work for 1hr a week to be classified as employed. Additionally unless you register at Centerlink you are not counted as unemployed as well. Sadly unemployment is far higher than the “official” figures.

Its funny how centrelink works,I have to report fortnightly,the hours I have worked and the dollars I earnt gross..when I lost several hours over the Easter period,they said they would give me some money to make up the lost hours...a total of $7.76 was put in my account...but I do earn more per week than what jobseeker pays so I was happy to just let that week go...I dont want to rely on Centrelink but I can see some people who need it at times...

 

[Tiger5150]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP ***prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages*** through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.

This literally doesnt make sense. Prior to Covid (and even through and after) we have record low unemployment. Even with your implied argument that it is underemployment with a movement to casual labour, the labour market is a sellers market and wages are growing accordingly.

 

[Tiger5150]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.

100%. Also you only need to work for 1hr a week to be classified as employed. Additionally unless you register at Centerlink you are not counted as unemployed as well. Sadly unemployment is far higher than the “official” figures.

Its funny how centrelink works,I have to report fortnightly,the hours I have worked and the dollars I earnt gross..when I lost several hours over the Easter period,they said they would give me some money to make up the lost hours...a total of $7.76 was put in my account...but I do earn more per week than what jobseeker pays so I was happy to just let that week go...I dont want to rely on Centrelink but I can see some people who need it at times...

Isnt that pretty much how it is supposed to work?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Do the people here espousing that Tamils should be sent home to a country that still persecutes them think that our government does not agree with that based on fact or for re-election politics?

Thousands of cases of ministerial intervention from this government to overturn decisions made by their subordinates and this case would almost certainly be more deserving than most all of the others.


Thousands of Tamils have been sent back already. We know these ones names is the only difference.

Lost my post as my clipboard seems to have disappeared and I didn't want to respond in anger at the time, but leaving that aside, suffice to say they are very much different than most, if not every Tamil returned.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP ***prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages*** through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.


This literally doesnt make sense. Prior to Covid (and even through and after) we have record low unemployment. Even with your implied argument that it is underemployment with a movement to casual labour, the labour market is a sellers market and wages are growing accordingly.

It doesn't make sense because you only highlighted half the statement.

You still have unemployment though, don't you? 5% of the population is looking for work. If there is more labour available then there are jobs, what happens? Classic supply and demand.

That's why you have staff in service roles working for below minimum because in their view something is better than nothing.