Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Cultured_Bogan]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.

Sadly, all major parties (the LNP, ALP/Greens) actively work on deindustrialisation of Australia, and this go back at least 40 years!:angry:
They simply do not care about farmers, blue-collar or mining jobs!

That I will agree with you on IBWT. The start of neo-liberalism started with the ALP through Hawke and Keating restructuring the economy. Ever since then it's been a shuffle offshore with manufacturing jobs. The LNP only care about mining companies, the hell with the workers.

I would love to see free energy in Australia via largescale renewables to bring back manufacturing. I would have said nuclear but that boat sailed 25 years ago.

 

[TrueTiger]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.

100%. Also you only need to work for 1hr a week to be classified as employed. Additionally unless you register at Centerlink you are not counted as unemployed as well. Sadly unemployment is far higher than the “official” figures.

Its funny how centrelink works,I have to report fortnightly,the hours I have worked and the dollars I earnt gross..when I lost several hours over the Easter period,they said they would give me some money to make up the lost hours...a total of $7.76 was put in my account...but I do earn more per week than what jobseeker pays so I was happy to just let that week go...I dont want to rely on Centrelink but I can see some people who need it at times...


Isnt that pretty much how it is supposed to work?

Yes it is,but the person I report to tells me how difficult it is to get some of the others on his list to do work,he is constantly on their back,however there are some that try hard but cant get work or have no qualifications for certain work...

 

[TillLindemann]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

So you been up this way and seen what happens everytime we have any even remotely major project ...the locals bail from their jobs ......thousands move in to town .......and I'm no corporate lobbyist ...I'm the poor bugger who can't staff my business

There's a simple solution to attracting workers: PAY RISES. This is called supply and demand. And when supply is distorted by loose importation of foreign labour, this acts as a cap on pay rises.
I also live in a regional town, where the wool industry is a big employer. Normally there are plenty of Kiwi shearers coming over as well as locals. When covid border closures temporarily interrupted the flow of Kiwis, the result was a shortage of shearers. And hey presto! The result was a big pay rise for shearers, that has encouraged a few local young fellas to jump into shearing. Previously they probably would have moved to the city instead.

 

[Tiger5150]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I really hate this argument. 'We need to import foreign labour because locals won't do it'.

It's an argument cynically pushed by corporate lobbyists to suppress wages. Most regional towns are screaming for JOBS, not imported workers.

Same as the constant harping on about unemployment. The LNP ***prefer to have un(der)employment as it also suppresses wages*** through competition for work. Then they go on to condemn the unemployed at the same time and demonise welfare recipients.

Talking out of both sides of their collective mouths.


This literally doesnt make sense. Prior to Covid (and even through and after) we have record low unemployment. Even with your implied argument that it is underemployment with a movement to casual labour, the labour market is a sellers market and wages are growing accordingly.

It doesn't make sense because you only highlighted half the statement.

You still have unemployment though, don't you? 5% of the population is looking for work. If there is more labour available then there are jobs, what happens? Classic supply and demand.

That's why you have staff in service roles working for below minimum because in their view something is better than nothing.

Your classic supply and demand argument makes a couple of incorrect assumptions.

Firstly it makes the assumption that the labour market is homogenous, that is that there X number of people wanting work competing for 0.95 x X jobs. This is simply not true. There are not simply 0.95xX jobs available to X people. The market is deeply segmented. There is MASSIVE demand for skilled construction labour and trades. There is an oversaturation of legal professionals. Not all jobs are available to all people. I dont know for sure, but my anecdotal observations are that its a buyers market for unskilled unqualified workers (service industries). So it is likely (and my experience) that for most segments of the labour market it is a sellers market with corresponding wages growth pressures however in the unskilled segment (that maybe the 5% are able to aim at) its a buyers market.

The second assumption you have made is that that 5% wants employment.

I'll say something dangerous here and probably controversial but In my opinion the current immigration policies seem to be fueling what you are talking about with regards downward pressure (over supply of labour) in the lower income and service industries. Again, completely anecdotal but in discussion with my friends who had to leave and were denied residency (purely because he was over 45) despite the fact that they were both employed, paying taxes, paying full fees for their kids etc etc, she has an MBA and he is a Doctor...they were very upset but took it on the chin, accepting the rules. The one thing that they were upset about is that in their words whenever they went for their appointments with Dept Immigration the rooms were full of unskilled immigrants (from one part of the world but I'll exclude that because their nationality is irrelevant to the discussio) who were allowed to stay. Does Australia need more Ubereats delivery people?

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Tom Woods on - The Socialist Calculation Problem
Starts at 1:12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmOUDMAtRt4

 

[Tim Sheens]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1



 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1



One seat majority. They can't afford to lose him.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1



One seat majority. They can't afford to lose him.

Payback votes from Pauline Hanson for allowing her revenge on the Family Court for her perception of bias against her son, by abolishing it.

 

[Tiger5150]

If all you had to do was have kids here on a temporary protection visa to get permanent status, EVERYONE would do it.


I said each case should be judged on its merits.The town where these people lived have been at the forefront in trying to keep them permanently there.


So? The town my friends lived in in SA loved our friends and they were contributing to the local community a hell of a lot more.

Each case should NOT be judged on its merits. There needs to be (and there is) clear rules regarding this so that everyone can make plans based on these rules. I genuinely feel sorry for this family and on the surface of it, I really feel for those kids, but their parents actually made the decision to have them intentionally with no residency or hope for residency in Australia. I feel for these people and there is a whole industry of "refugee advocates" encouraging them to get around the rules, but the people that get hurt are these kids.

I genuinely feel for these kids and this family, but if they are allowed to stay, against all the same rules that THOUSANDS of others have been judged against, I also feel for those thousands that have abided by the law and not been able to stay.

Unless you fully understand the situation that occurs in many of Central Qld towns when a project comes to town ....you'll never understand why people like this are so vital ....for example they sometimes are forced to close the Meatworks at Biloela because they can't man it ..many other businesses the same occurs ....the fast food businesses are forced to close their drive thrus because they can't man them

I dont doubt you, but why cant these positions be filled with genuine refugees (UN Processed) or people on the immigration list?

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1



Edited: Didnt see the fact that these documents have been released as part of federal court action.

I think its disgusting that confidential documents can be released publically when it clearly wasnt the intention of the author.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1



Edited: Didnt see the fact that these documents have been released as part of federal court action.

I think its disgusting that confidential documents can be released publically when it clearly wasnt the intention of the author.

I don't like leaked court docs either. It has the potential to ruin justice being done.

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1

Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1



Edited: Didnt see the fact that these documents have been released as part of federal court action.

I think its disgusting that confidential documents can be released publically when it clearly wasnt the intention of the author.

I don't like leaked court docs either. It has the potential to ruin justice being done.

Were they leaked or released? The website looks like a legit release.

 

[mike]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.

In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

 

[mike]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.


In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

Impossible to remember, especially for so long ago and if it has been suggested that certain things have happened. Even the suggestion of something happening is enough to implant a memory. Lots of experiments have been done showing just how easy it is. Look up “ implanted memories disneyland”.

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.


In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

Impossible to remember, especially for so long ago and if it has been suggested that certain things have happened. Even the suggestion of something happening is enough to implant a memory. Lots of experiments have been done showing just how easy it is. Look up “ implanted memories disneyland”.

yeah I know all that, Im saying the things that she said happened arent physically possible IMO

 

[Nelson]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.


In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

You appear to have missed the part where she said, "I have always remembered these things". That and the fact that she made complaint to her then-boyfriend in 1989. Plus the diary entries, some of which (if the originals could be obtained) could be dated.

 

[Tiger5150]

Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.


In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

You appear to have missed the part where she said, "I have always remembered these things". That and the fact that she made complaint to her then-boyfriend in 1989. Plus the diary entries, some of which (if the originals could be obtained) could be dated.

you have missed the part where she explained that "I have always remembered these things" but goes on to explain that it was remembered in her body and not her brain and that the psychologist explained that they are "somatic memories". Its written pretty clearly.

 

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Disappointing to see the Jacqui Lambie motion for a Senate inquiry into the Christian Porter rape allegations fail by a single vote in the senate during the week. Still less so than Morrison (supposedly) not reading a document expressing that it was personal to him, along with the other pair of recipients and not to be shared that raised these allegations.

The first two of the 31 pages released by a federal court this week follow. https://t.co/V07xgZ5sAy?amp=1


Have you actually read those documents?

I have been totally respectful of the woman making the allegations ans she deserves this, however now these documents have been released publicly and those details are out in the open, they are subject to scrutiny.

This woman had ***serious*** mental health issues as outlined in the documents with frequent hospitalisations. Her parents and family did not believe the allegations and specifically made ABC remove them from the four Corners programme.

To this point I am still of the opinion that having serious mental health issues doesnt preclude someone from being raped and in fact such a serious incident may be enough to trigger mental health issues, I think that is totally plausible. Its also obviously possible that her family w ere wrong in their belief that the allegations were false.

But then I get to page 4 of the womans statement about the rape in which she states the rape happened in 1988, but she hadnt realised that she had been raped until 2019 after seeing a psychologist and reading a book which unlocked "somatic memories" that werent stored in her brain but in her body. Despite the fact that these memories were not in her brain and werent known to her for 31 years until the psychologist unlocked them, she can now remember word for word whole phrases.

I really feel for this woman, her life was clearly not easy and it is a tragedy that she took her own life but my god this is not a clear situation and Christian Porters life will be irrevokably connected to these allegations.

Looks more like a case of implanted memories by the psychologist. Very easy to do.


In a case so tragic, Im pretty loathed to make any presumptions, but at best it is very clear that this is not a straightforward case with claims that are not only "he said/she said" but "he said/she remembered 31 years later". Im not a lawyer but it actually seems very clear to me why it wasnt pursued. I'm nnot going to detail but there are claims in her statement that she "remembered 31 years later" that Im pretty sure arent physically possible.

You appear to have missed the part where she said, "I have always remembered these things". That and the fact that she made complaint to her then-boyfriend in 1989. Plus the diary entries, some of which (if the originals could be obtained) could be dated.

The "diary entries" are included in the statement. None of them are incriminating other than she didnt like him.