Pre Season Casualty Report

[Balmainian]

1 Tui
2 Nofo
3 Marsters
4 Milne
5 Fonua
6 Reynolds
7 Brooks
8 Packer
9 Marshall
10 Mataulino
11 Eisenhuth
12 Aloiai
13 Lawrence

14 Mcqueen
15 Taylor
16 Twal
17 McCilwrick

I know ill cop some flack from a few supporters on here but i think Marshall could be a bolter for the 9 if Liddle isn't ready to go by opening round.
Still a pretty good line up considering Suli, Mcqueen, kev, Sue, Liddle and a bunch of fringys there abouts aswell.

Just bought tickets to the roosters game in round one.
Cant wait so see packer rip teddys face off.

in all due respect of your opinion mate….jst sayin but...that bench dont look all that strong...taylor and mcqueen are not provin front rowers at all...+ if you swapped mckillrick for a front rower......taylor could be the DH rotation :question: :question: :question: :question: :question:

Wouldn’t be worth havin a forum if we didn’t have different opinions.
Yeah your spot on with ET at 9, But I don’t know if he’s creative enough to be there every week.
I reckon Aloiai and Eisenhuth could both hold a prop position easily.
So you could swap either of them to a bench spot for McQueen or Taylor.
Aloiai could play 80 minutes every week imo.

 

[jadtiger]

If you play ET as a fill in at hooker you remove one of his strengths as a player(offloads). I am not sure that his service from DH is worth it to lose one of his strengths even if it is just in rotation.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I remember when JT was playing ET at hooker in 2016 and everyone was losing their minds. How things change.

 

[diedpretty]

He didnt say more accomplished

They were accomplished, Suli is not therefore

so by default they are more accomplished than Suli.

Simples Ink.

That's ok i know you just like finding errors in what I say.

Whatever turns you on.

Ive read it three times and fail to see the word 'more' before 'accomplished'.
But Russell thinks im bullying him.
Merely stating a fact.

Have to agree with Ink on this one - nowhere does it say more accomplished - you could argue on the more deserving maybe but considering the length of time Suli has been out and the fact these two have been playing right up to and including the World Cup then its hard to argue against that as well.

 

[innsaneink]

1 Tui
2 Nofo
3 Marsters
4 Milne
5 Fonua
6 Reynolds
7 Brooks
8 Packer
9 Marshall
10 Mataulino
11 Eisenhuth
12 Aloiai
13 Lawrence

14 Mcqueen
15 Taylor
16 Twal
17 McCilwrick

I know ill cop some flack from a few supporters on here but i think Marshall could be a bolter for the 9 if Liddle isn't ready to go by opening round.
Still a pretty good line up considering Suli, Mcqueen, kev, Sue, Liddle and a bunch of fringys there abouts aswell.

Just bought tickets to the roosters game in round one.
Cant wait so see packer rip teddys face off.

Where does Benji go when McIlwrick comes.on?

Well if Tui, Reynolds or brooks are not on there game or someone goes down he’s there.

I'm not a fan of unforced changes & reorganizing the spine midway thru a game
..disastrous

 

[Geo]

If you play ET as a fill in at hooker you remove one of his strengths as a player(offloads). I am not sure that his service from DH is worth it to lose one of his strengths even if it is just in rotation.

I thought Taylor played well there in his game for the Kiwis in the World Cup…his servive was quite good got his pack rumbling forward...

Certainly a better option than Marshall being tossed up until Liddle is ready to go...

 

[Balmainian]

Haha I had no idea the Marshall thought at hooker was such a bad one.
Ill keep my Marshall thoughts to myself next time lol.
I also thought Taylor at hooker during the world cup was quality he got the ball right out in front of the big boppers so they had to run on to it.
What about Pete Godinet as starting Hooker…..................Joking.

 

[Tim Sheens]

If you play ET as a fill in at hooker you remove one of his strengths as a player(offloads). I am not sure that his service from DH is worth it to lose one of his strengths even if it is just in rotation.

I think it is well and truly offset if you are gaining, for example, an explosive running Aloiai to start and finish the game by doing it, plus not having to carry another nine on the bench.

 

[balmain boy]

For those that get into physio talk - here's some talking about moses on twitter…

NRL PHYSIO‏
@nrlphysio

Not good to hear Moses Suli still looking to overcome stress fractures in his foot in time to start the NRL season. Some bones in foot have poor blood supply so extended healing time.
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@nrlmagicsponge
Jan 12
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Replying to @nrlphysio
What are some of the most likely stress fracture areas of the foot that are slower? I never see patients with them but I’d assume in athletes Navicular, 1st met,base of 5th met are all possibilities
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@SportsClinicNQ
Jan 12
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Sesamoids second met 5th met navicular medial mal talus
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@nrlphysio
Jan 12
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Jones fracture (5th met) the one I see most commonly in clinic with ++ recovery time, & probably highest surgery rate too. Had 2 higher level athletes need 2nd surgery for Jones as well
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@nrlmagicsponge
Jan 13
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Kevin Durant had all sorts following his jones fracture. Vasularity zones in that 5th met make even bone grafts for stressies hit and miss

@SportsClinicNQ
Jan 13
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Need early diagnosis and the balls to intervene quickly. Would be hard to tell someone on $200k per game playing 3 games per week to sit out if they felt they could push through
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@nrlphysio
Jan 13
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What fracture locations in the foot would you be more lenient for patients playing through? Crichton this year an interesting example
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@SportsClinicNQ
18h18 hours ago
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All the non high risk areas. But i don't know what I'd do to be honest. Would depend on when in season how team was going, the sport. Not evidence based but intensive (bright on MRI or bone scan) and extensive (widespread) BMO would influence me.
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@SportsClinicNQ
18h18 hours ago
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If you are golden State and in no chance of missing finals and lost in a 73 game win season you take very very few chances at all. If you cowboys in 2017 you roll the dice a bit more

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@CatfishSC
Jan 12
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Replying to @nrlphysio
Is this just a case of letting the bones heal themselves, but it's taking longer than expected?
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@nrlphysio
Jan 12
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That's the most likely scenario, sometimes the bones don't heal sufficiently and surgery is required. Will be interesting to see how they continue to manage it
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@drboz88
20h20 hours ago
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Replying to @nrlphysio
Navicular stress fracture potentially?
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@nrlphysio
19h19 hours ago
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One of a few possibilities mate for sure

 

[colmcd]

This is bad.

I think we can cover for McQueen fairly easily. Moses is one player who could be a weapon for us and we will miss that but I think we have depth to cover the loss of an outside back.

The big loss though is Liddle. I reckon we need him to turn into a gun player if we are going to have a season that surprises on the upside. McIlwrick and Taylor may do the job defensively but we won't threaten much from dummy half without Liddle there and firing.

McQueens situation might be a blessing in disguise if it allows an Eisenhuth or an Aloiai to claim a starting position. I don't think a backrow of Lawrence, McQueen and Taylor is big enough to make an impact nor is it likely to trouble too many sides. I'd like to see Eisenhuth start at lock or Aloiai start on the fringes, with either McQueen or Lawrence coming from the bench to steady the ship.

Yep, we can do this.
Mcqueen -> Eisenhuth/Aloiai/etc.
Suli -> Kevie/Founa (and MWZ take wing).
Liddle -> Mcilwrick/ET maybe Marshall to play hooker/5-8.

We are have a stack of Depth in these positions. Probably too much.

 

[2041]

I remember when JT was playing ET at hooker in 2016 and everyone was losing their minds. How things change.

Spot the difference:
2016: Jason Taylor refuses to pick Robbie Farah at hooker, instead at times preferring converted back row forward Elijah Taylor in the number nine jersey. Fans are upset.
2018: Promising youngster Jacob Liddle may not be fit to start the season, leaving the Tigers short in their hooker rotation. Converted back row forward Elijah Taylor is suggested as a temporary fill-in to back up Matt McIlwrick for at least some minutes. Fans are less upset.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I remember when JT was playing ET at hooker in 2016 and everyone was losing their minds. How things change.

Spot the difference:
2016: Jason Taylor refuses to pick Robbie Farah at hooker, instead at times preferring converted back row forward Elijah Taylor in the number nine jersey. Fans are upset.
2018: Promising youngster Jacob Liddle may not be fit to start the season, leaving the Tigers short in their hooker rotation. Converted back row forward Elijah Taylor is suggested as a temporary fill-in to back up Matt McIlwrick for at least some minutes. Fans are less upset.

Actually, Farah spent the majority of the backend of the season after he was dropped on the sideline, carrying an injury. So he was unavailable anyway.

 

[2041]

I remember when JT was playing ET at hooker in 2016 and everyone was losing their minds. How things change.

Spot the difference:
2016: Jason Taylor refuses to pick Robbie Farah at hooker, instead at times preferring converted back row forward Elijah Taylor in the number nine jersey. Fans are upset.
2018: Promising youngster Jacob Liddle may not be fit to start the season, leaving the Tigers short in their hooker rotation. Converted back row forward Elijah Taylor is suggested as a temporary fill-in to back up Matt McIlwrick for at least some minutes. Fans are less upset.

Actually, Farah spent the majority of the backend of the season after he was dropped on the sideline, carrying an injury. So he was unavailable anyway.

Do you honestly believe people were angry at Jason Taylor for using ET at hooker even when he was doing so purely as an injury fill in and in the absence of anyone else? You don't think there's any context involved at all? Who were these angry fans proposing should be used at hooker instead of ET as a matter of interest?

Look, I know you have a bee in your bonnet about Jason Taylor getting the rough end of the stick and I'm sure there are times when Cleary will get away with something that would have got Taylor hammered (I'd argue that's because there's a difference between a good coach making a mistake and a crap coach doing crap stuff, but that's just me). But no-one (sane) was angry at ET being used at hooker _when there wasn't anyone else available_.

 

[2041]

I remember when JT was playing ET at hooker in 2016 and everyone was losing their minds. How things change.

Spot the difference:
2016: Jason Taylor refuses to pick Robbie Farah at hooker, instead at times preferring converted back row forward Elijah Taylor in the number nine jersey. Fans are upset.
2018: Promising youngster Jacob Liddle may not be fit to start the season, leaving the Tigers short in their hooker rotation. Converted back row forward Elijah Taylor is suggested as a temporary fill-in to back up Matt McIlwrick for at least some minutes. Fans are less upset.

Actually, Farah spent the majority of the backend of the season after he was dropped on the sideline, carrying an injury. So he was unavailable anyway.

As a supplementary point, one area where you might be right that fan views have changed is perception of ET's value. When he first came across there was a view - a wrong view, IMO - that he was a real threat as a wide-running, ball-playing back row forward. On that basis some people were probably more upset than they should have been at the idea of ET being used at 9.

I think most people are more realistic now about what ET brings and are perhaps therefore less inclined to feel he would be wasted playing in the middle.

In this sense, yes, I suppose there is an element of Jason Taylor being condemned for something Cleary can get away with. But I don't think that's anti-Jason Taylor bias - it's more a case of having more realistic expectations of the player involved.

Personally I happen to believe Taylor was a hopeless coach who also got dealt a dud hand with the Farah situation (though he didn't improve it by the way he played it). I don't - and didn't - have a massive issue with ET being considered the leading candidate to fill in at 9 in the absence of other options. The issue was that Jason Taylor shouldn't have been in a position where there weren't other options.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I remember when JT was playing ET at hooker in 2016 and everyone was losing their minds. How things change.

Spot the difference:
2016: Jason Taylor refuses to pick Robbie Farah at hooker, instead at times preferring converted back row forward Elijah Taylor in the number nine jersey. Fans are upset.
2018: Promising youngster Jacob Liddle may not be fit to start the season, leaving the Tigers short in their hooker rotation. Converted back row forward Elijah Taylor is suggested as a temporary fill-in to back up Matt McIlwrick for at least some minutes. Fans are less upset.

Actually, Farah spent the majority of the backend of the season after he was dropped on the sideline, carrying an injury. So he was unavailable anyway.

As a supplementary point, one area where you might be right that fan views have changed is perception of ET's value. When he first came across there was a view - a wrong view, IMO - that he was a real threat as a wide-running, ball-playing back row forward. On that basis some people were probably more upset than they should have been at the idea of ET being used at 9.

I think most people are more realistic now about what ET brings and are perhaps therefore less inclined to feel he would be wasted playing in the middle.

In this sense, yes, I suppose there is an element of Jason Taylor being condemned for something Cleary can get away with. But I don't think that's anti-Jason Taylor bias - it's more a case of having more realistic expectations of the player involved.

Personally I happen to believe Taylor was a hopeless coach who also got dealt a dud hand with the Farah situation (though he didn't improve it by the way he played it). I don't - and didn't - have a massive issue with ET being considered the leading candidate to fill in at 9 in the absence of other options. The issue was that Jason Taylor shouldn't have been in a position where there weren't other options.

You finally worked out where i was coming from. Kudos.

 

[bp_tiger]

I wouldn't panic about Liddle at this stage. I've had the same operation and I'm 69yo against his 20yo. Recovery for me was about 4 months so I'd expect him to recover earlier than that.given that he is a pro sportsman with full time physio available to aid his rehab.

I stand to be corrected but I don't think I've seen him wearing a "don't tackle me" vest. I'd be surprised if he wasn't ready to play come March.

ur 100% correct, what people sometimes forget these players get physio and rehab, every day 7 days per week, and there recovery time should be nearly 1/2 us mere mortals.

 

[2041]

Spot the difference:
2016: Jason Taylor refuses to pick Robbie Farah at hooker, instead at times preferring converted back row forward Elijah Taylor in the number nine jersey. Fans are upset.
2018: Promising youngster Jacob Liddle may not be fit to start the season, leaving the Tigers short in their hooker rotation. Converted back row forward Elijah Taylor is suggested as a temporary fill-in to back up Matt McIlwrick for at least some minutes. Fans are less upset.

Actually, Farah spent the majority of the backend of the season after he was dropped on the sideline, carrying an injury. So he was unavailable anyway.

As a supplementary point, one area where you might be right that fan views have changed is perception of ET's value. When he first came across there was a view - a wrong view, IMO - that he was a real threat as a wide-running, ball-playing back row forward. On that basis some people were probably more upset than they should have been at the idea of ET being used at 9.

I think most people are more realistic now about what ET brings and are perhaps therefore less inclined to feel he would be wasted playing in the middle.

In this sense, yes, I suppose there is an element of Jason Taylor being condemned for something Cleary can get away with. But I don't think that's anti-Jason Taylor bias - it's more a case of having more realistic expectations of the player involved.

Personally I happen to believe Taylor was a hopeless coach who also got dealt a dud hand with the Farah situation (though he didn't improve it by the way he played it). I don't - and didn't - have a massive issue with ET being considered the leading candidate to fill in at 9 in the absence of other options. The issue was that Jason Taylor shouldn't have been in a position where there weren't other options.

You finally worked out where i was coming from. Kudos.

Thanks. It is often hard to work out what on earth you're on about.

 

[happy_tiger]

I wouldn't panic about Liddle at this stage. I've had the same operation and I'm 69yo against his 20yo. Recovery for me was about 4 months so I'd expect him to recover earlier than that.given that he is a pro sportsman with full time physio available to aid his rehab.

I stand to be corrected but I don't think I've seen him wearing a "don't tackle me" vest. I'd be surprised if he wasn't ready to play come March.

ur 100% correct, what people sometimes forget these players get physio and rehab, every day 7 days per week, and there recovery time should be nearly 1/2 us mere mortals.

Fortunately us old fogeys don't need to make 40 tackles every week for the next 12 seasons

The level our recovery needs to be at and their recovery needs to be at is at different ends of the scale

I know I couldn't believe how blokes like Jordan Kahu and Tautau Moga come back from multiple ACL surgeries , I know even know I'm in agony every time I kneel down to change a car tyre for example and put weight on mine

 

[sheer64]

1 Tui
2 Nofo
3 Marsters
4 Milne
5 Fonua
6 Reynolds
7 Brooks
8 Packer
9 Marshall
10 Mataulino
11 Eisenhuth
12 Aloiai
13 Lawrence

14 Mcqueen
15 Taylor
16 Twal
17 McCilwrick

I know ill cop some flack from a few supporters on here but i think Marshall could be a bolter for the 9 if Liddle isn't ready to go by opening round.
Still a pretty good line up considering Suli, Mcqueen, kev, Sue, Liddle and a bunch of fringys there abouts aswell.

Just bought tickets to the roosters game in round one.
Cant wait so see packer rip teddys face off.

Where does Benji go when McIlwrick comes.on?

Union :roll

 

[Balmainian]

1 Tui
2 Nofo
3 Marsters
4 Milne
5 Fonua
6 Reynolds
7 Brooks
8 Packer
9 Marshall
10 Mataulino
11 Eisenhuth
12 Aloiai
13 Lawrence

14 Mcqueen
15 Taylor
16 Twal
17 McCilwrick

I know ill cop some flack from a few supporters on here but i think Marshall could be a bolter for the 9 if Liddle isn't ready to go by opening round.
Still a pretty good line up considering Suli, Mcqueen, kev, Sue, Liddle and a bunch of fringys there abouts aswell.

Just bought tickets to the roosters game in round one.
Cant wait so see packer rip teddys face off.

Where does Benji go when McIlwrick comes.on?

Union :roll

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