Problems with Balmain?

[GNR4LIFE]

Status of Balmain:
- No viable permanent leagues club
- No $$ contribution to WT
- No $$ contribution to junior league
- SG Ball and H matts run by WT
- No senior team
- Leichhardt Oval not sustainable long term
- are in debt of up to $11m and growing

Status of Wests Group:
- Wests Ashfield one of biggest clubs in nsw
- Ashfield is a key backer of WT
- Ashfield help fund the Wests RM cup side
- Magpies Sg ball and matts run by WT
- Junior League funded by Campbelltown leagues club
- WSDRLFC no longer tied to Campbelltown leagues club or Wests JL

Unless ALL areas above are re-branded into a single WT identity and single company there will be a "co-existence" of WT stakeholders for years to come.

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Que the broken record.

You're like robot saying the same thing over and over. I read it in the same boring monotone every time.

The facts stated seem ok to me. If they are wrong, please correct them. If they are right then what are you on about?

The fact that we're all sick of hearing it!

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Pretty much. WTFL has submitted that same exact same post 100 times. He probably has it saved to his hard drive so he doesn't have to keep typing it over and over. And the question i ask, what has he achieved by submitting the same exact post 100 times over (not including the other boards he frequents and posts the exact same thing) What is he achieving? If he's still trying to alert everyone to these facts after all this time and still no one is listening (no one = club) id pretty much concede defeat before i drive myself to insanity, cos repeating the same crap over and over in almost mantra like fashion, cannot be good for ones health.

 

[magpie4ever]

I can see where a lot of posters are coming from, but;

- does anyone know the amount of money Wests Ashfield contributed to the Wests Tigers, say, last year?

and, I don't believe Wests Ashfield will ever walk away from the Western Suburbs Magpies and become Wests Tigers Ashfield, nor should they.

 

[system]

I can see where a lot of posters are coming from, but;

- does anyone know the amount of money Wests Ashfield contributed to the Wests Tigers, say, last year?

and, I don't believe Wests Ashfield will ever walk away from the Western Suburbs Magpies and become Wests Tigers Ashfield, nor should they.

Your username says it all.

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[wtfl1981]

Que the broken record.

You're like robot saying the same thing over and over. I read it in the same boring monotone every time.

The facts stated seem ok to me. If they are wrong, please correct them. If they are right then what are you on about?

The fact that we're all sick of hearing it!

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Pretty much. WTFL has submitted that same exact same post 100 times. He probably has it saved to his hard drive so he doesn't have to keep typing it over and over. And the question i ask, what has he achieved by submitting the same exact post 100 times over (not including the other boards he frequents and posts the exact same thing) What is he achieving? If he's still trying to alert everyone to these facts after all this time and still no one is listening (no one = club) id pretty much concede defeat before i drive myself to insanity, cos repeating the same crap over and over in almost mantra like fashion, cannot be good for ones health.

Same questions by various forum members get the same kind of answers DS. Pretty sure thats the 3rd time you have posted the exact same response to one of my posts. They are just the facts, not some agenda i am trying to push. The circumstances have changed slightly over the years. Nothing groundbreaking will change to any of them, anytime soon.

Its reality. Its a 2014 summary of the stakeholders of WT. Not a 2007 or 2009 or 2011 summary. Yes i know its boring to you but other WT fans are still obviously asking the questions and wanting to know..

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[GoldXR50Leroy]

As an old Balmain fan I can say it saddens me to read, hear and witness the decline of a great sporting club, sometimes we place our trust with outsourced organisations like our Super Annuation, sometimes they return a great profit, sometimes when the financial situation is poor you lose the lot.
Bill Vlahos was the head of a 'betting' syndicate that has mysteriously lost many many $$$, the Balmain board unfortunately backed the wrong developer for their site when everyone can see in hindsight they should have handed over the joint lock stock and barrel to Harry.
Some Silver Tongued Devil persuaded the commitee to jump on board with a person who has sadly failed to keep up his end of the bargain as apparently he failed to take into consideration the factors of the local Leichhardt Council, the NIMBYS and the pathetic failure of the previous State governments Metro rail link that was to see a Rail Station built under the expected Leagues Club redevelopment.
A redevelopment that shoulda/coulda/ woulda seen a retail precinct, social club and affordable apartment living, someone has to be accountable for the failure of this futuristic concept being achieved but is it the local footy club who are to blame for trying to secure their future.
This subject has been discussed numerous times but some posters like to revive it on the odd occaision simply to sink the boot into one half of the joint venture, hopefully the Tigers can resurrect the whole thing so that they are not dividing their limited resources between 2 unprofitable clubs but in the meantime, why don't all our city fans out there make an effort to support the Five Dock and Flemington clubs so that they might in future turn a profit.

 

[Abraham]

Ryde Eastwood already doing a lot re: sponsorship, supporting the juniors etc

Which is exactly why they would be a great fit to take the next step and merge with Balmain.

A win/win situation where Balmain (and WT) get secured funding, while Ryde-Eastwood gets to play with the big boys in the NRL.

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[happy_tiger]

Ryde Eastwood already doing a lot re: sponsorship, supporting the juniors etc

Which is exactly why they would be a great fit to take the next step and merge with Balmain.

A win/win situation where Balmain (and WT) get secured funding, while Ryde-Eastwood gets to play with the big boys in the NRL.

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If they are prepared to take on between 9-11 million in debt

I can't see too many clubs (NRL or otherwise ) prepared to do that to be honest

 

[Abraham]

I have no issue with that, I think Ashfield will manage the brand quite well.

If it comes to that then I too hope they are up to the job.

However history doesn't instil in me great amounts of confidence. Just because Ashfield makes bucket loads of money from asian gamblers does not mean they have the expertise to single handedly run an NRL franchise.

The magpies were a basket case on and off the field for decades, leading to the decision or either being swallowed up by the bulldogs, or joining hands with fellow basket cases in Balmain.

So where was the mighty Wests Ashfield during those dark times?? I'm sure you can see what I'm getting at …

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[Abraham]

If they are prepared to take on between 9-11 million in debt

I can't see too many clubs (NRL or otherwise ) prepared to do that to be honest

Except that the Balmain RLFC is not a single dollar in debt.

Don't confuse them with the Leagues Club who are a separate entity all together.

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[innsaneink]

Ryde Eastwood already doing a lot re: sponsorship, supporting the juniors etc

Which is exactly why they would be a great fit to take the next step and merge with Balmain.

A win/win situation where Balmain (and WT) get secured funding, while Ryde-Eastwood gets to play with the big boys in the NRL.

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I think theyve been happy being a very very succesful leagues club in the minor league for many many many years….I think they may be getting fed up with bailing out balmain...I might be wrong

 

[Anthism]

Are things really not repairable or are people just not willing to do anything about it?
I'm not trolling or baiting I'm just trying to get honest opinions with no agenda for superiority. I'd just like to see our club flourish.
I thought it may come to this but I don't want a Wests vs Balmain debate. Merely what can be done to help/fix the situation with the club which I'm sure is in everyone's interest.

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[Abraham]

Are things really not repairable or are people just not willing to do anything about it?
I'm not trolling or baiting I'm just trying to get honest opinions with no agenda for superiority. I'd just like to see our club flourish.
I thought it may come to this but I don't want a Wests vs Balmain debate. Merely what can be done to help/fix the situation with the club which I'm sure is in everyone's interest.

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Privatising Balmain was mentioned, but I don't know what return on investment a private backer will receive.

They will have to stump up payments to the WT, but I don't see us being profitable for a while. So what's in it for a private backer unless they do it for the love of the club.

I think Balmain are just trying to gang in there until WT become self sufficient and no longer reliant on grants from the parent clubs.

Let's see how it pans out.

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[radiowave82]

Are things really not repairable or are people just not willing to do anything about it?
I'm not trolling or baiting I'm just trying to get honest opinions with no agenda for superiority. I'd just like to see our club flourish.
I thought it may come to this but I don't want a Wests vs Balmain debate. Merely what can be done to help/fix the situation with the club which I'm sure is in everyone's interest.

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Privatising Balmain was mentioned, but I don't know what return on investment a private backer will receive.

They will have to stump up payments to the WT, but I don't see us being profitable for a while. So what's in it for a private backer **unless they do it for the love of the club.**

I think Balmain are just trying to gang in there until WT become self sufficient and no longer reliant on grants from the parent clubs.

Let's see how it pans out.

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Where's our Russell Crowe?

 

[Abraham]

Where's our Russell Crowe?

A more pertinent question is 'where's our board of directors?'.

Balmain has been in financial difficulty for an extended period of time now, and while the goal of the Board has always been to get the league's club up and running, the project has had a massive question mark over it for something like 7 or 8 years.

So what is their Plan B?

Surely they can't have just thrown all of their eggs in one rozelle village basket and hope it works out.

Mergers, reverse acquisitions, buy-outs, privatisation, moving the League's club to a new permanent location (and im not talking about the two satellite locations) etc. should all have been explored by now. And if they have been, the members have not been informed of this.

So if the Board aren't up to the job of saving the club, then maybe people who are up to the job should be sought.

 

[Staks]

Shouldn't the question be asked to the mob that make up Rozelle Village since they now own the land that used to occupy the old Tigers Leagues club? The only thing the old leagues club board got promised was space in the new complex for a new club.

I guess the plan B for Tigers Leagues was the two clubs at Five Dock and Flemington.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Shouldn't the question be asked to the mob that make up Rozelle Village since they now own the land that used to occupy the old Tigers Leagues club? The only thing the old leagues club board got promised was space in the new complex for a new club.

I guess the plan B for Tigers Leagues was the two clubs at Five Dock and Flemington.

How much was that land sold off for? It was virtually sold for a song wasn't it?

 

[Abraham]

Shouldn't the question be asked to the mob that make up Rozelle Village since they now own the land that used to occupy the old Tigers Leagues club? The only thing the old leagues club board got promised was space in the new complex for a new club.

I guess the plan B for Tigers Leagues was the two clubs at Five Dock and Flemington.

It's not the developers responsibility to ensure the financial viability of Balmain. Their concern is their own shareholders. Full stop.

Yes it's a mess, and yes we were screwed over by successive local and state govts, but surely there must be a long term plan in place should the development fall over.

I'd just like to know what that is?

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[pHyR3]

isn't our russell crowe harry triguboff?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

isn't our russell crowe harry triguboff?

He's a myth

 

[Abraham]

He's a myth

For a myth, he's sure pumped a sh*t load of money into the tigers over the years.

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