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@tiger5150 said in [Quick update](/post/1498484) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498471) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Quick update](/post/1498446) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498428) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498418) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498397) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498390) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498387) said:
Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

I thought you handed in your badge willow? you were going pretty hard in the paint against Kul at one point recently.

That's a separate issue. The forum has changed somewhat over the years and has always relied on moderation as not everyone who joins on here, respects or plays by the rules. As an FYI when someone is banned, a reason is given and despite what some people on here may think about me, I can justify every permanent banning I've ever issued. Having said that, I'm not the only one responsible for that. We attempted to relax our stance earlier this year as some users started to swear more and more frequently, but that didn't work - members complained that it was degrading threads, and we (the moderation team) agreed so we went back to sticking with the rules as they currently are. We don't want this place turning into the forums on LU, that would really drive members away. We sought support from Kul, but he hasn't responded to us for reasons unknown. I'm sure he's busy with other things though and is enjoying life in Europe.

Yes, it's Kul's forum, no one is disputing that, but there has been no discussion from him regarding a relaxing of the rules or otherwise. So until that happens, we will continue to moderate within those rules. Admittedly I let my frustrations get the better of me last week and I regret that, but this place can get pretty depressing during the offseason, particularly given the way WT finished the season. It left a sour taste in many people's minds I feel and we have had more and more members having a go at one another - that's naturally going to deter people away from the forum. The upvote/downvote system also played a part in that which I suspect is something that has annoyed Kul - maybe I've annoyed him too, I don't know.

Sticking to topics is another reason why people lose interest - the signing and rumours thread is the best example - not a lot of substance in there and it's probably the most popular thread as we're all keen on reading who the latest potential signing may be, but there's very little quality content in there and every time we ask people to stick to topic, or clean up posts which are just spam, it degrades the very next day.

I spend a lot of time on here and because I delete a lot of posts that either contain swearing or involve personal attacks against other members - and some of those are ban worthy in accordance with the rules. This probably paints a bit of a target on my back because I've been on here a long time.

We have no idea what changes Kul has in store for the forum. It would certainly be nice to know as this thread has already generated a decent amount of comment and I think all members on here would like to continue to be a part of the forum moving forward. Let's see what the future holds, hopefully Kul can shed some light on that soon.

Honestly, that's a bunch of pearl clutching rubbish with a side of passive aggressive for Kul.

Who do you think you are protecting from swear words? or threads going off topic? How many actual DM's have you got from someone complaining about a swear word vs how many people have literally left the forum because it has become stagnant and ridged.

Threads being "derailed" is another prime example of over moderation. If people are talking about Brooks in the signings thread its because there are no signings. Very simple. If Wests make a signing the conversation comes back to the signing BUT what I think you are missing is in the interim, the thread has interaction and kept people posting.

If people want specific details only go follow Wests twitter and wait for news.

No racists / homophobic or doxing. the rest will work it self out. If someone can't handle that then maybe the internet is not for them or they can go start safeplacewestforum.com.

I have a slightly different opinion.

There are plenty of places to go and discuss the Tigers. LU, FB, Reddit, Demps Discord and probably others. What made this place a bit different was it was better behaved and more civil than the others.

Wests Tigers are a football team and as a result and loved and followed by a lot of kids. My kids were on this forum. I dont see the problem with having a reasonable standard that can include fans of all ages and genders for that matter. **We just successfully chased out the only female on the forum.**

Why not have the standards kept here as a point of difference from LU/FB/Reddit/Discord? Why be like all the others? So you can swear?


We? I have no idea of what or who you are talking about. To be honest I don't care. ***What's gender got to do with footy chat?***

Its got nothing to do with the subject of the chat, but surely the forum is a better place with a diversity of people and views making a contribution? Or should this just be an echo chamber of all blokes with the same background, thoughts and opinions? We already have the Luke Brooks thread for that.

>Stop making drama where there is none.

I'm making drama? I misinterpreted this thread as a discussion of what is wrong with the forum and suggestions for what could be done to improve it. An hour ago you made a very well expressed and eloquent post expressing everything that YOU thought was wrong with the forum and what needed to be fixed but because my opinion of what is wrong and needs to be fixed is different to yours....I'm "making drama".

That kind of call out is a big part of what I dislike about this forum lately.

You made a point and said the poster was chased out of the forum without providing detail or context. To make it more provocative you made sure to mention it was a she. You also included everyone, like there was a collective effort to "chase her out". This is creating drama.

Again, I have know idea on why the women left but if she was harassed for her gender, of course this is not on and there should be repercussions. If she left because she didn't like a posters opinion...ce la vie.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498505) said:
Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....

Mate you'd love it there.
Ur well respected by a lot of us.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498505) said:
Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....

Aside from the live-game channel during Tigers matches it's very light-hearted over there mate. The 'soccer' discussion confuses me but I just stay out of it.
 
Maybe it is related to our team.
They're falling apart and we're eating our own on here.
Lots to blame.
 
@pascoes_barber said in [Quick update](/post/1498511) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498505) said:
Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....

Aside from the live-game channel during Tigers matches it's very light-hearted over there mate. The 'soccer' discussion confuses me but I just stay out of it.

Soccer?
 
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498510) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498505) said:
Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....

Mate you'd love it there.
Ur well respected by a lot of us.

As I said to @hobbo1 ...it's got nothing to do with here or there really ...I spend far too much time on here than I should ....
 
@innsaneink said in [Quick update](/post/1498445) said:
@roar_power said in [Quick update](/post/1498335) said:
Not sure why the neg vote button was introduced in the first place. Was always going to end in tears.

But why?
Why on earth would this bother someone?
Maybe if you have low self esteem and a thumbs up helps you in real life.... I dunno
Funny world these days I recall insta or FB removed likes or something similar because kids take this crap to heart I guess
Really soft

Don’t get me wrong. I certainly don’t take it to heart but downvoting really just nurtures an environment of negativity. Just my two cents.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498505) said:
Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....


Or alternatively people gravitated to that place when this one went downhill and their frustrations increased.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498505) said:
Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....

Agree 100%
 
I don’t know anyone on here personally but it is pretty easy to see who the genuine supporters are and those keyboard warriors looking for a reaction. The lighthearted banter between some members is great but the personal attacks from anonymous posters really annoys me. But isn’t that how society and social media is going these days. Distorting facts to suit your argument is no better than what the journos are doing.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498516) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498510) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498505) said:
Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....

Mate you'd love it there.
Ur well respected by a lot of us.

As I said to @hobbo1 ...it's got nothing to do with here or there really ...I spend far too much time on here than I should ....

All good mate
 
@the_patriot said in [Quick update](/post/1498520) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498505) said:
Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....


Or alternatively people gravitated to that place when this one went downhill and their frustrations increased.

??
 
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498476) said:
I don't understand why we're removing the thumb up/down buttons.
Thought it was just agreeing/disagreeing with a post.
What rep is there to gain or lose?

Yup, exactly what I've used it for.

Like I said, I especially value the upvote - read the posts with plenty of upvotes and you won't have to read through the rubbish.

Really helps.
 
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498508) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Quick update](/post/1498484) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498471) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Quick update](/post/1498446) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498428) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498418) said:
@tigerbalm said in [Quick update](/post/1498397) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498390) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498387) said:
Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

I thought you handed in your badge willow? you were going pretty hard in the paint against Kul at one point recently.

That's a separate issue. The forum has changed somewhat over the years and has always relied on moderation as not everyone who joins on here, respects or plays by the rules. As an FYI when someone is banned, a reason is given and despite what some people on here may think about me, I can justify every permanent banning I've ever issued. Having said that, I'm not the only one responsible for that. We attempted to relax our stance earlier this year as some users started to swear more and more frequently, but that didn't work - members complained that it was degrading threads, and we (the moderation team) agreed so we went back to sticking with the rules as they currently are. We don't want this place turning into the forums on LU, that would really drive members away. We sought support from Kul, but he hasn't responded to us for reasons unknown. I'm sure he's busy with other things though and is enjoying life in Europe.

Yes, it's Kul's forum, no one is disputing that, but there has been no discussion from him regarding a relaxing of the rules or otherwise. So until that happens, we will continue to moderate within those rules. Admittedly I let my frustrations get the better of me last week and I regret that, but this place can get pretty depressing during the offseason, particularly given the way WT finished the season. It left a sour taste in many people's minds I feel and we have had more and more members having a go at one another - that's naturally going to deter people away from the forum. The upvote/downvote system also played a part in that which I suspect is something that has annoyed Kul - maybe I've annoyed him too, I don't know.

Sticking to topics is another reason why people lose interest - the signing and rumours thread is the best example - not a lot of substance in there and it's probably the most popular thread as we're all keen on reading who the latest potential signing may be, but there's very little quality content in there and every time we ask people to stick to topic, or clean up posts which are just spam, it degrades the very next day.

I spend a lot of time on here and because I delete a lot of posts that either contain swearing or involve personal attacks against other members - and some of those are ban worthy in accordance with the rules. This probably paints a bit of a target on my back because I've been on here a long time.

We have no idea what changes Kul has in store for the forum. It would certainly be nice to know as this thread has already generated a decent amount of comment and I think all members on here would like to continue to be a part of the forum moving forward. Let's see what the future holds, hopefully Kul can shed some light on that soon.

Honestly, that's a bunch of pearl clutching rubbish with a side of passive aggressive for Kul.

Who do you think you are protecting from swear words? or threads going off topic? How many actual DM's have you got from someone complaining about a swear word vs how many people have literally left the forum because it has become stagnant and ridged.

Threads being "derailed" is another prime example of over moderation. If people are talking about Brooks in the signings thread its because there are no signings. Very simple. If Wests make a signing the conversation comes back to the signing BUT what I think you are missing is in the interim, the thread has interaction and kept people posting.

If people want specific details only go follow Wests twitter and wait for news.

No racists / homophobic or doxing. the rest will work it self out. If someone can't handle that then maybe the internet is not for them or they can go start safeplacewestforum.com.

I have a slightly different opinion.

There are plenty of places to go and discuss the Tigers. LU, FB, Reddit, Demps Discord and probably others. What made this place a bit different was it was better behaved and more civil than the others.

Wests Tigers are a football team and as a result and loved and followed by a lot of kids. My kids were on this forum. I dont see the problem with having a reasonable standard that can include fans of all ages and genders for that matter. **We just successfully chased out the only female on the forum.**

Why not have the standards kept here as a point of difference from LU/FB/Reddit/Discord? Why be like all the others? So you can swear?


We? I have no idea of what or who you are talking about. To be honest I don't care. ***What's gender got to do with footy chat?***

Its got nothing to do with the subject of the chat, but surely the forum is a better place with a diversity of people and views making a contribution? Or should this just be an echo chamber of all blokes with the same background, thoughts and opinions? We already have the Luke Brooks thread for that.

>Stop making drama where there is none.

I'm making drama? I misinterpreted this thread as a discussion of what is wrong with the forum and suggestions for what could be done to improve it. An hour ago you made a very well expressed and eloquent post expressing everything that YOU thought was wrong with the forum and what needed to be fixed but because my opinion of what is wrong and needs to be fixed is different to yours....I'm "making drama".

That kind of call out is a big part of what I dislike about this forum lately.

You made a point and said the poster was chased out of the forum without providing detail or context. ***To make it more provocative*** you made sure to mention it was a she. ***You also included everyone, like there was a collective effort to "chase her out"***. This is creating drama.

Mate, with respect you are projecting massively and fighting things that are not there. I wasnt trying to make anything provocative or creating drama. I was talking about the fact that having higher standards with regards to swearing and behaviour makes the place a more attractive and suitable place for a wider range of people including kids and women and it just so happened to be at the time (coincidence) that the only active female poster here left.

I didnt add detail because it was pretty public at the time and I try to keep posts short of War and Peace, but for context the detail on her leaving is she got into an argument with a few here. She was not blameless, she definitely played her part and in the end she decided that she wasnt enjoying being here anymore and she left. As I say, she wasnt blameless and IMO she made a mistake in one post but she has been an active and valuable contributor here for along time and as the only active female poster it was the first time I can remember that it was a problem.

Again, Im not making a point about her and not making drama. Simply stating that by having a good standard of behaviour here, we can make it accessible to a wider range of people.

Again, I have know idea on why the women left but if she was harassed for her gender, of course this is not on and there should be repercussions. If she left because she didn't like a posters opinion...ce la vie.

She wasnt harassed for her gender, she didnt leave because she didnt like the posters opinion. She left because of the change in the tone of this place and I understand it frankly. She had been here a long time and was a regular and good contributor.
 
@moh said in [Quick update](/post/1498528) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498476) said:
I don't understand why we're removing the thumb up/down buttons.
Thought it was just agreeing/disagreeing with a post.
What rep is there to gain or lose?

Yup, exactly what I've used it for.

Like I said, I especially value the upvote - read the posts with plenty of upvotes and you won't have to read through the rubbish.

Really helps.

?
 
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498392) said:
@willow said in [Quick update](/post/1498390) said:
@pj said in [Quick update](/post/1498387) said:
Nothing's changed.
Bless you guys

PJ, swearing is not on thanks. That has been made very clear, and your continued derided attacks against me are also not appreciated thanks. Please post constructively as I am sure Kul intended for this thread. If you have particular issue with me, take it up with me privately.

Haven't personally attacked you once.
I've got nothing against you as a Tigers supporter, I've never met you.
I think @Kul needs to replace you.
Come see how the other half lives

?
 
@happy_tiger said in [Quick update](/post/1498505) said:
Not blaming the Discord ...but a lot of issues definitely went up another gear about the same time it started ......

Thought I would bring up the very obvious elephant in the room .....

correlation? Causation?
 
@tiger_steve said in [Quick update](/post/1498486) said:
I used to post multiple times a day on here but over the last few months I feel the forum has been almost hijacked by a few incredibly negative posters who want to criticise the club, players and fellow forum members nonstop. I post rarely now but still read some threads. I don’t believe in over moderation but if this place is going to remain civil, constructive and positive it needs moderators who have the temerity to moderate consistently to a standard.

Agreed
 
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