happy_tiger
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Well at least I achieved something
Rank the Players /Positions /Teams
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Well at least I achieved something
happy_tiger
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Slater was one of the easier decisions along with Smith and Thurston , to a lesser extent the props and Taumalolo
WestsBenTigers
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1 Slater
2 Tedesco
3 Trbojevic
4 Boyd
5 Gutherson
6 RTS
7 Holmes
8 Lolohea
9 Edwards
10 Gordon
11 Johnston
12 Ponga
13 Mbye
14 Dufty
15 Coote
16 Wighton
On what form are people rating Tedesco so highly?
Poor 2017
Average SOO series
Pathetic for Italy
He is not top 5 for mine. Slater, Boyd and Trbojevic are head and shoulders above him. They are all playing on a different level. RTS, Duges, Holmes and Gutho more often than not have him covered as well.
Poor 2017
Average SOO series
Pathetic for Italy
He is not top 5 for mine. Slater, Boyd and Trbojevic are head and shoulders above him. They are all playing on a different level. RTS, Duges, Holmes and Gutho more often than not have him covered as well.
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Haha just hacking on you. As an overall ranking of teams, i think you got us right. Coming into the season, the good judges have us missing the 8 and with multiple good reasoning. I think a massive back half to the year will see us scrape in but a lot of work has to be done first. Itll be an interesting year.
happy_tiger
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Supposedly he just missed on Players player at SOO for NSW
He might've slipped back on the my list if Inglis or Gutherson had played all season
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His whole career. He wasn't at his best in 2017 but there were probably reasons for that. Boyd had a poor 2017 as well.
Dugan and Holmes do not have the ball playing that Tedesco does. RTS doesn't really either. Slater, Tedesco, Trbojevic and Boyd are all great runners of the ball that also have great passing games, which is why I rate them as the top 4\. Gutherson hasn't spent as much time at fullback and is not as great a runner of the ball as any of them for mine.
happy_tiger
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As a fullback you need both to survive as a top player
Most fullbacks who come from a fullback background running game would be the first thing you develop so natural instinct would make you look at run first
Slater's ball playing skills developed as he got older , Tedesco may get better as well
Also the threat of a good running game as a fullback creates space and helps create the ball playing aspect of your game
Which NRL team has the best spine?
10:44 AM AEDT
Darren Arthur
ESPN
The players filling the roles of hooker, halfback, five-eighth and fullback form the backbone of any rugby league team, and hence the four positions have become known collectively as the team's spine. It is plain to see that a team's hopes of NRL premiership glory are slim if it doesn't have quality players in these vital positions.
The 2018 NRL season will open with more spines having been adjusted than in the local chiropractor's office. With the players settling into their new colours, ESPN has taken a new scientific approach to determining which team came out on top after the great halves shuffle We have gathered five key statistics from the 2017 season, averaged them out per game played and totalled those figures to give a definitive number.
Melbourne Storm, last year's premiers come out on top, even after losing Cooper Cronk to Sydney Roosters. Statistically at least, the Storm lose very little with Brodie Croft slipping on the purple No. 7 jersey.
More surprising was the position taken up by last year's beaten grand finalists, North Queensland Cowboys. Any spine boasting Michael Morgan and Johnathan Thurston would seem to be worthy of a more lofty ranking, but Lachlan Coote and Jake Granville let the team down statistically – particularly Coote's running metres.
The Panthers slip into second place after welcoming high-performing five-eighth James Maloney from the Sharks. Fullback Dylan Edwards gives them a boost as well with his ability to run the ball.
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Some of the best NRL vertebrae. Getty Images
The Rabbitohs are surprisingly high on the list, but their fourth position owes a lot to the way Greg Inglis played in 2016\. After a season on the sidelines, it will be interesting to see whether he will be back to his best.
Of course, a high-quality spine does not necessarily guarantee premiership success; New Zealand Warriors were solid proof of this last season, when they boasted one of the best spines ever assembled yet still finished the campaign just two wins above the wooden spoon.
KEY:
P = points, T = tackles, TE = tackle efficiency, M = metres run, TA = try assists
(Statistics from the 2017 season unless noted, averaged per game played)
P T TE(%) M TA TOTAL
1\. StormStorm
792.36
1 Billy Slater 2.09 5.09 70.0 128.0 0.80 205.98
6 Cameron Munster 1.33 19.95 82.0 106.0 0.62 209.90
7 Brodie Croft 3.20 13.60 83.0 79.5 0.20 179.50
9 Cameron Smith 8.34 38.70 92.0 55.1 0.56 194.70
2\. Panthers Panthers 759.57
1 Dylan Edwards 0.50 5.50 71.0 180.6 0.31 257.91
6 James Maloney 7.90 13.85 66.0 72.0 0.60 160.35
7 Nathan Cleary 8.77 18.38 82.0 78.2 0.46 187.81
9 Peter Wallace 0.42 38.73 89.5 24.8 0.05 153.50
3\. Rabbitohs Rabbitohs 758.13
1 Greg Inglis* 1.00 12.10 78.0 139.8 0.35 231.25
6 Cody Walker 1.00 14.00 80.9 101.7 0.75 198.35
7 Adam Reynolds 6.76 17.50 85.1 45.6 0.62 155.58
9 Damien Cook 0.35 23.87 89.4 59.2 0.13 172.95
* 2016 stats
4\. Sharks Sharks 756.96
1 Valentine Holmes 2.00 3.22 67.8 167.0 0.22 240.24
6 Matt Moylan 1.77 11.00 76.0 114.3 0.44 203.51
7 Chad Townsend 1.12 20.36 83.8 47.0 0.32 152.60
9 Jayden Brailey 0.84 36.92 92.2 30.6 0.05 160.61
5\. Broncos Broncos 755.38
1 Darius Boyd 0.60 7.75 86.6 109.0 0.35 204.30
6 Anthony Milford 3.13 10.00 71.0 100.5 0.65 185.28
7 Kodi Nikorima 1.47 16.26 82.6 77.3 0.31 177.94
9 Andrew McCullough 0.44 48.55 92.9 45.7 0.27 187.86
6\. Sea Eagles Sea Eagles 750.66
1 Tom Trbojevic 2.08 4.50 77.7 189.6 0.82 274.70
6 Lachlan Croker* 125.25
7 Daly Cherry-Evans 1.60 23.36 81.8 57.8 0.76 165.32
9 Apisai Koroisau 0.58 39.66 85.0 59.9 0.25 185.39
* No stats - lowest 5/8th score
7\. Roosters Roosters 744.79
1 James Tedesco 0.95 3.66 69.0 175.1 0.38 249.09
6 Luke Keary 1.23 18.00 82.4 72.6 0.61 174.84
7 Cooper Cronk 1.09 15.13 85.1 62.1 0.73 164.15
9 Jake Friend 0.54 50.10 91.4 14.4 0.27 156.71
8\. Warriors Warriors 735.01
1 Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 1.74 3.43 63.9 181.4 0.35 250.82
6 Blake Green 0.50 14.33 85.0 44.3 0.42 144.55
7 Shaun Johnson 5.88 15.66 77.3 69.5 0.94 169.28
9 Issac Luke 1.65 30.78 73.9 63.9 0.13 170.36
9\. Knights Knights 695.59
1 Kalyn Ponga 1.71 2.71 64.0 125.6 0.00 194.02
6 Connor Watson 0.73 13.90 73.4 63.7 0.04 151.77
7 Mitchell Pearce 1.22 22.65 87.2 68.1 0.65 179.82
9 Danny Levi 0.50 32.12 90.2 47.0 0.16 169.98
10\. Dragons Dragons 675.66
1 Matthew Dufty 1.71 3.00 57.3 117.4 0.43 179.84
6 Gareth Widdop 9.05 11.48 71.0 69.6 0.86 161.99
7 Ben Hunt 1.33 25.60 82.5 49.5 0.57 159.50
9 Cameron McInnes 0.66 48.12 95.1 30.2 0.25 174.33
11\. Eels Eels 670.70
1 Bevan French 0.56 4.80 69.7 87.0 0.25 162.31
6 Corey Norman 0.64 15.50 80.0 91.5 0.45 188.00
7 Mitchell Moses 5.15 15.65 83.0 61.2 0.42 165.42
9 Kaysa Pritchard 0.25 36.00 90.9 27.7 0.12 154.97
12\. Bulldogs Bulldogs 659.42
1 Moses Mbye 1.90 23.20 82.0 62.7 0.17 170.00
6 Kieran Foran 0.47 17.60 85.0 82.6 0.59 186.26
7 Matt Frawley 0.66 15.88 76.0 40.0 0.37 132.91
9 Michael Lichaa 0.36 32.00 92.6 45.2 0.09 170.25
13\. Cowboys Cowboys 658.05
1 Lachlan Coote 0.38 6.04 69.0 75.9 0.38 151.70
6 Michael Morgan 1.63 13.00 79.0 82.4 0.81 176.84
7 Johnathan Thurston 8.57 13.86 72.8 83.6 1.00 179.83
9 Jake Granville 0.66 31.70 87.5 29.4 0.42 149.68
14\. Tigers Tigers 651.03
1 Tuimoala Lolohea 5.64 17.30 81.0 68.2 0.40 172.50
6 Josh Reynolds 1.18 16.40 83.5 61.0 0.05 162.13
7 Luke Brooks 1.23 14.35 74.9 75.4 0.53 166.40
9 Matt McIlwrick 0.35 27.35 88.2 34.00 0.08 150.00
15\. Titans Titans 636.54
1 Michael Gordon 7.80 4.86 73.0 121.4 0.23 207.29
6 Kane Elgey 2.30 13.00 74.2 35.7 0.05 125.25
7 Ashley Taylor 4.00 15.60 64.4 52.8 0.80 137.60
9 Nathan Peats 0.00 42.00 91.3 32.7 0.40 166.40
16\. Raiders Raiders 595.15
1 Jack Wighton 1.20 4.60 76.2 163.3 0.39 245.69
6 Blake Austin 1.16 13.7 81.0 72.0 0.33 168.19
7 Aidan Sezer 1.66 12.37 74.5 56.6 0.33 145.46
9 Siliva Havili* 0.00 14.00 89.0 19.45 0.00 35.81
10:44 AM AEDT
Darren Arthur
ESPN
The players filling the roles of hooker, halfback, five-eighth and fullback form the backbone of any rugby league team, and hence the four positions have become known collectively as the team's spine. It is plain to see that a team's hopes of NRL premiership glory are slim if it doesn't have quality players in these vital positions.
The 2018 NRL season will open with more spines having been adjusted than in the local chiropractor's office. With the players settling into their new colours, ESPN has taken a new scientific approach to determining which team came out on top after the great halves shuffle We have gathered five key statistics from the 2017 season, averaged them out per game played and totalled those figures to give a definitive number.
Melbourne Storm, last year's premiers come out on top, even after losing Cooper Cronk to Sydney Roosters. Statistically at least, the Storm lose very little with Brodie Croft slipping on the purple No. 7 jersey.
More surprising was the position taken up by last year's beaten grand finalists, North Queensland Cowboys. Any spine boasting Michael Morgan and Johnathan Thurston would seem to be worthy of a more lofty ranking, but Lachlan Coote and Jake Granville let the team down statistically – particularly Coote's running metres.
The Panthers slip into second place after welcoming high-performing five-eighth James Maloney from the Sharks. Fullback Dylan Edwards gives them a boost as well with his ability to run the ball.
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Some of the best NRL vertebrae. Getty Images
The Rabbitohs are surprisingly high on the list, but their fourth position owes a lot to the way Greg Inglis played in 2016\. After a season on the sidelines, it will be interesting to see whether he will be back to his best.
Of course, a high-quality spine does not necessarily guarantee premiership success; New Zealand Warriors were solid proof of this last season, when they boasted one of the best spines ever assembled yet still finished the campaign just two wins above the wooden spoon.
KEY:
P = points, T = tackles, TE = tackle efficiency, M = metres run, TA = try assists
(Statistics from the 2017 season unless noted, averaged per game played)
P T TE(%) M TA TOTAL
1\. StormStorm
792.36
1 Billy Slater 2.09 5.09 70.0 128.0 0.80 205.98
6 Cameron Munster 1.33 19.95 82.0 106.0 0.62 209.90
7 Brodie Croft 3.20 13.60 83.0 79.5 0.20 179.50
9 Cameron Smith 8.34 38.70 92.0 55.1 0.56 194.70
2\. Panthers Panthers 759.57
1 Dylan Edwards 0.50 5.50 71.0 180.6 0.31 257.91
6 James Maloney 7.90 13.85 66.0 72.0 0.60 160.35
7 Nathan Cleary 8.77 18.38 82.0 78.2 0.46 187.81
9 Peter Wallace 0.42 38.73 89.5 24.8 0.05 153.50
3\. Rabbitohs Rabbitohs 758.13
1 Greg Inglis* 1.00 12.10 78.0 139.8 0.35 231.25
6 Cody Walker 1.00 14.00 80.9 101.7 0.75 198.35
7 Adam Reynolds 6.76 17.50 85.1 45.6 0.62 155.58
9 Damien Cook 0.35 23.87 89.4 59.2 0.13 172.95
* 2016 stats
4\. Sharks Sharks 756.96
1 Valentine Holmes 2.00 3.22 67.8 167.0 0.22 240.24
6 Matt Moylan 1.77 11.00 76.0 114.3 0.44 203.51
7 Chad Townsend 1.12 20.36 83.8 47.0 0.32 152.60
9 Jayden Brailey 0.84 36.92 92.2 30.6 0.05 160.61
5\. Broncos Broncos 755.38
1 Darius Boyd 0.60 7.75 86.6 109.0 0.35 204.30
6 Anthony Milford 3.13 10.00 71.0 100.5 0.65 185.28
7 Kodi Nikorima 1.47 16.26 82.6 77.3 0.31 177.94
9 Andrew McCullough 0.44 48.55 92.9 45.7 0.27 187.86
6\. Sea Eagles Sea Eagles 750.66
1 Tom Trbojevic 2.08 4.50 77.7 189.6 0.82 274.70
6 Lachlan Croker* 125.25
7 Daly Cherry-Evans 1.60 23.36 81.8 57.8 0.76 165.32
9 Apisai Koroisau 0.58 39.66 85.0 59.9 0.25 185.39
* No stats - lowest 5/8th score
7\. Roosters Roosters 744.79
1 James Tedesco 0.95 3.66 69.0 175.1 0.38 249.09
6 Luke Keary 1.23 18.00 82.4 72.6 0.61 174.84
7 Cooper Cronk 1.09 15.13 85.1 62.1 0.73 164.15
9 Jake Friend 0.54 50.10 91.4 14.4 0.27 156.71
8\. Warriors Warriors 735.01
1 Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 1.74 3.43 63.9 181.4 0.35 250.82
6 Blake Green 0.50 14.33 85.0 44.3 0.42 144.55
7 Shaun Johnson 5.88 15.66 77.3 69.5 0.94 169.28
9 Issac Luke 1.65 30.78 73.9 63.9 0.13 170.36
9\. Knights Knights 695.59
1 Kalyn Ponga 1.71 2.71 64.0 125.6 0.00 194.02
6 Connor Watson 0.73 13.90 73.4 63.7 0.04 151.77
7 Mitchell Pearce 1.22 22.65 87.2 68.1 0.65 179.82
9 Danny Levi 0.50 32.12 90.2 47.0 0.16 169.98
10\. Dragons Dragons 675.66
1 Matthew Dufty 1.71 3.00 57.3 117.4 0.43 179.84
6 Gareth Widdop 9.05 11.48 71.0 69.6 0.86 161.99
7 Ben Hunt 1.33 25.60 82.5 49.5 0.57 159.50
9 Cameron McInnes 0.66 48.12 95.1 30.2 0.25 174.33
11\. Eels Eels 670.70
1 Bevan French 0.56 4.80 69.7 87.0 0.25 162.31
6 Corey Norman 0.64 15.50 80.0 91.5 0.45 188.00
7 Mitchell Moses 5.15 15.65 83.0 61.2 0.42 165.42
9 Kaysa Pritchard 0.25 36.00 90.9 27.7 0.12 154.97
12\. Bulldogs Bulldogs 659.42
1 Moses Mbye 1.90 23.20 82.0 62.7 0.17 170.00
6 Kieran Foran 0.47 17.60 85.0 82.6 0.59 186.26
7 Matt Frawley 0.66 15.88 76.0 40.0 0.37 132.91
9 Michael Lichaa 0.36 32.00 92.6 45.2 0.09 170.25
13\. Cowboys Cowboys 658.05
1 Lachlan Coote 0.38 6.04 69.0 75.9 0.38 151.70
6 Michael Morgan 1.63 13.00 79.0 82.4 0.81 176.84
7 Johnathan Thurston 8.57 13.86 72.8 83.6 1.00 179.83
9 Jake Granville 0.66 31.70 87.5 29.4 0.42 149.68
14\. Tigers Tigers 651.03
1 Tuimoala Lolohea 5.64 17.30 81.0 68.2 0.40 172.50
6 Josh Reynolds 1.18 16.40 83.5 61.0 0.05 162.13
7 Luke Brooks 1.23 14.35 74.9 75.4 0.53 166.40
9 Matt McIlwrick 0.35 27.35 88.2 34.00 0.08 150.00
15\. Titans Titans 636.54
1 Michael Gordon 7.80 4.86 73.0 121.4 0.23 207.29
6 Kane Elgey 2.30 13.00 74.2 35.7 0.05 125.25
7 Ashley Taylor 4.00 15.60 64.4 52.8 0.80 137.60
9 Nathan Peats 0.00 42.00 91.3 32.7 0.40 166.40
16\. Raiders Raiders 595.15
1 Jack Wighton 1.20 4.60 76.2 163.3 0.39 245.69
6 Blake Austin 1.16 13.7 81.0 72.0 0.33 168.19
7 Aidan Sezer 1.66 12.37 74.5 56.6 0.33 145.46
9 Siliva Havili* 0.00 14.00 89.0 19.45 0.00 35.81
lol statistically and value to the team Luke Brooks ranks higher than Ben Hunt.and Adam Reynolds .no surpises to me..
sheer64
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Made me laugh too, JT reads the game better than any player I have seen, obviously the stats they are using have no bearing on this.
Spud_Murphy
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Souths 3rd, Cowboys 13th - stupid analysis.
