Rankin or JAC moving forward

[simonthetigerrrr]

IMO its ridiculous getting skinny wingers and FBs to take hit ups.

You have to coach the team you have not the roosters blueprint from 5 years ago.

Forwards do hitups…..they dont need a rest they are only on for 50 mins.

 

[Bones]

What else do you want a winger to offer??

No offence Sabre but I am backing Craig Bellamy's judgement of a footballer.

Strong kick returns, safe under high ball, sound finishing.

JAC's got speed to burn but man he goes missing in-game. Apart from the obvious getting smashed in kick-returns, he was lagging behind play often. When we needed a late try he was nowhere to be seen, which is poor from an "attacking weapon".
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JAC was passed the ball once all game. Hard to say he goes missing if we refuse to run any backline plays through his hands whatsoever… He's criminally underused by the team. He also went in to take a hit up once and made an 80m break to score a great try. Something which only Teddy in our squad is capable of.

He needs to learn how to position his body better when making hitups off our line, but he's a small guy so will of course get pushed back by 3-4 defenders when they gang up on him and he's got no-one to support him.

Sometimes you have to look for the ball if it isn't coming. Also Tim Grant made a clean break on his side and he was too far back to take advantage so you have to be in position to get the ball too, thats bread and butter for good wingers.

I like the guy but tbh he is touch and go as an NRL winger at the moment, lots of errors in his game to go with the good stuff. 18 months time could be different though.

 

[851]

What else do you want a winger to offer??

No offence Sabre but I am backing Craig Bellamy's judgement of a footballer.

Strong kick returns, safe under high ball, sound finishing.

JAC's got speed to burn but man he goes missing in-game. Apart from the obvious getting smashed in kick-returns, he was lagging behind play often. When we needed a late try he was nowhere to be seen, which is poor from an "attacking weapon".
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JAC was passed the ball once all game. Hard to say he goes missing if we refuse to run any backline plays through his hands whatsoever… He's criminally underused by the team. He also went in to take a hit up once and made an 80m break to score a great try. Something which only Teddy in our squad is capable of.

He needs to learn how to position his body better when making hitups off our line, but he's a small guy so will of course get pushed back by 3-4 defenders when they gang up on him and he's got no-one to support him.

Sometimes you have to look for the ball if it isn't coming. Also Tim Grant made a clean break on his side and he was too far back to take advantage so you have to be in position to get the ball too, thats bread and butter for good wingers.

I like the guy but tbh he is touch and go as an NRL winger at the moment, lots of errors in his game to go with the good stuff. 18 months time could be different though.

By no means a finished product, but the best we got at the moment, so we should use him.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

What else do you want a winger to offer??

No offence Sabre but I am backing Craig Bellamy's judgement of a footballer.

Strong kick returns, safe under high ball, sound finishing.

JAC's got speed to burn but man he goes missing in-game. Apart from the obvious getting smashed in kick-returns, he was lagging behind play often. When we needed a late try he was nowhere to be seen, which is poor from an "attacking weapon".
.

JAC was passed the ball once all game. Hard to say he goes missing if we refuse to run any backline plays through his hands whatsoever… He's criminally underused by the team. He also went in to take a hit up once and made an 80m break to score a great try. Something which only Teddy in our squad is capable of.

He needs to learn how to position his body better when making hitups off our line, but he's a small guy so will of course get pushed back by 3-4 defenders when they gang up on him and he's got no-one to support him.

Sometimes you have to look for the ball if it isn't coming. Also Tim Grant made a clean break on his side and he was too far back to take advantage so you have to be in position to get the ball too, thats bread and butter for good wingers.

I like the guy but tbh he is touch and go as an NRL winger at the moment, lots of errors in his game to go with the good stuff. 18 months time could be different though.

Not his error he wasnt there to support Tim, Bones
We are a team with poor support play in general

Teddy lurks everywhere, Robbie does and Lovett follows but most of others are already focusing on the next play sadly. Trundling back in the defensive line even when in attack

 

[Bones]

Strong kick returns, safe under high ball, sound finishing.

JAC's got speed to burn but man he goes missing in-game. Apart from the obvious getting smashed in kick-returns, he was lagging behind play often. When we needed a late try he was nowhere to be seen, which is poor from an "attacking weapon".
.

JAC was passed the ball once all game. Hard to say he goes missing if we refuse to run any backline plays through his hands whatsoever… He's criminally underused by the team. He also went in to take a hit up once and made an 80m break to score a great try. Something which only Teddy in our squad is capable of.

He needs to learn how to position his body better when making hitups off our line, but he's a small guy so will of course get pushed back by 3-4 defenders when they gang up on him and he's got no-one to support him.

Sometimes you have to look for the ball if it isn't coming. Also Tim Grant made a clean break on his side and he was too far back to take advantage so you have to be in position to get the ball too, thats bread and butter for good wingers.

I like the guy but tbh he is touch and go as an NRL winger at the moment, lots of errors in his game to go with the good stuff. 18 months time could be different though.

Not his error he wasnt there to support Tim, Bones
We are a team with poor support play in general

Teddy lurks everywhere, Robbie does and Lovett follows but most of others are already focusing on the next play sadly. Trundling back in the defensive line even when in attack

Sorry but "nobody else does it" isn't a good enough excuse. If he supports there he scores. We need to demand better of every player.

It's the little things that make average teams good and good teams great.

 

[Sabre]

So besides Addo-Carr's pace what else does he have to offer?

Nothing really currently

But it's hard to argue be won't learn more and develop better at Melbourne than with us …though you can be sure bellamy wont put up with him carrying on like a prize flog on the way to the tryline like he did last night

His decision... Not the clubs as some like to portray

Definitely agree with this.
But at this stage the way some are praising JAC is extremely over the top, so is the bagging of Rankin.
I think everyone can see the Addo-Carr will be the better of the two but for now I'm happy with Rankin.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

JAC was passed the ball once all game. Hard to say he goes missing if we refuse to run any backline plays through his hands whatsoever… He's criminally underused by the team. He also went in to take a hit up once and made an 80m break to score a great try. Something which only Teddy in our squad is capable of.

He needs to learn how to position his body better when making hitups off our line, but he's a small guy so will of course get pushed back by 3-4 defenders when they gang up on him and he's got no-one to support him.

Sometimes you have to look for the ball if it isn't coming. Also Tim Grant made a clean break on his side and he was too far back to take advantage so you have to be in position to get the ball too, thats bread and butter for good wingers.

I like the guy but tbh he is touch and go as an NRL winger at the moment, lots of errors in his game to go with the good stuff. 18 months time could be different though.

Not his error he wasnt there to support Tim, Bones
We are a team with poor support play in general

Teddy lurks everywhere, Robbie does and Lovett follows but most of others are already focusing on the next play sadly. Trundling back in the defensive line even when in attack

Sorry but "nobody else does it" isn't a good enough excuse. If he supports there he scores. We need to demand better of every player.

It's the little things that make average teams good and good teams great.

I agree, that proved one thing. He is not an instinctive player otherwise he would have been there regardless which ties in with the rest of your post of he has a lot of learning to do.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

I remember seeing Suliasi Vunivalu play his first game and i made a hasty assumption he was an average player at best.
Look at him now, killing it in just 10 games

 

[jirskyr]

Sorry but "nobody else does it" isn't a good enough excuse. If he supports there he scores. We need to demand better of every player.

It's the little things that make average teams good and good teams great.

I agree and that was my point. If his main attribute is speed and creating attack from deep-field, he needs to be sniffing around for hitups and offloads.

Blacklock, Holmes, Hayne, Vatuvei, Tuiaki… these guys as wingers went/go looking for the football and are there when breaks are made. We needed a spark last 10 minutes against Dogs and JAC bludged out on his wing.

It's fine to be a sideline rider but you need to be a great finisher if that is the main string to your bow. The point was made exactly in an earlier post - if he's not seeing much ball from standard backline moves, his speed is being wasted. And with that being said, wingers won't usually get the ball in the backline play unless an overlap is on offer - you don't just spread it straight to the winger because they haven't much space to work with. Wingers instead have to come looking for some work.

 

[Club_Sandwich]

JAC offers spark and sells tickets.

Rankin, well, he just makes up the numbers unfortunately.

 

[cunno]

Prefer JAC although he is going, Rankin doesn't have much impact and I still have visions of the try he bombed on the weekend.

 

[Russell]

I still have visions of JAC also dropping the ball with the line wide open.

I still have visions of JAC watching Souths score a try whilst viewing from the in goal and doing nothing to prevent it. Left Teddy holding the bag.

I see him as a Michael Jennings type of player - unless the play comes to him, he just sits and bludges.

At least Rankin gives 100% - may not be good enough for some of you but the effort is there. He also wants to play for US.

Drop Rankin, but surely we have someone else that you want to put in that will give 100% and has more going for him than just speed.

 

[balmain boy]

JAC was passed the ball once all game. Hard to say he goes missing if we refuse to run any backline plays through his hands whatsoever… He's criminally underused by the team. He also went in to take a hit up once and made an 80m break to score a great try. Something which only Teddy in our squad is capable of.

He needs to learn how to position his body better when making hitups off our line, but he's a small guy so will of course get pushed back by 3-4 defenders when they gang up on him and he's got no-one to support him.

Sometimes you have to look for the ball if it isn't coming. Also Tim Grant made a clean break on his side and he was too far back to take advantage so you have to be in position to get the ball too, thats bread and butter for good wingers.

I like the guy but tbh he is touch and go as an NRL winger at the moment, lots of errors in his game to go with the good stuff. 18 months time could be different though.

Not his error he wasnt there to support Tim, Bones
We are a team with poor support play in general

Teddy lurks everywhere, Robbie does and Lovett follows but most of others are already focusing on the next play sadly. Trundling back in the defensive line even when in attack

Sorry but "nobody else does it" isn't a good enough excuse. If he supports there he scores. We need to demand better of every player.

It's the little things that make average teams good and good teams great.

What a load of crap. Grant makes a break for the first time in 2 years and our backs were supposed to be anticipating the moment? Some players you might sniff around, Grant is not one of them. If anyone should have been hovering in support it's Rankin, not JAC.

JAC does hover in support a bit, could do it a bit more, but then we don't offload much and he may well have been instructed to stay out wide to take advantage of any overlaps for all we know.

The problem is we don't use our best attacking players enough. Brooks does the short ball to Lawrence far too often, it works sometimes but doesn't more than not. Simona rarely touches the ball which is why he hasn't made a clean break this season. Most of our attack goes through Naiqama for whatever reason.

 

[Bones]

Sometimes you have to look for the ball if it isn't coming. Also Tim Grant made a clean break on his side and he was too far back to take advantage so you have to be in position to get the ball too, thats bread and butter for good wingers.

I like the guy but tbh he is touch and go as an NRL winger at the moment, lots of errors in his game to go with the good stuff. 18 months time could be different though.

Not his error he wasnt there to support Tim, Bones
We are a team with poor support play in general

Teddy lurks everywhere, Robbie does and Lovett follows but most of others are already focusing on the next play sadly. Trundling back in the defensive line even when in attack

Sorry but "nobody else does it" isn't a good enough excuse. If he supports there he scores. We need to demand better of every player.

It's the little things that make average teams good and good teams great.

What a load of crap. Grant makes a break for the first time in 2 years and our backs were supposed to be anticipating the moment? Some players you might sniff around, Grant is not one of them. If anyone should have been hovering in support it's Rankin, not JAC.

JAC does hover in support a bit, could do it a bit more, but then we don't offload much and he may well have been instructed to stay out wide to take advantage of any overlaps for all we know.

The problem is we don't use our best attacking players enough. Brooks does the short ball to Lawrence far too often, it works sometimes but doesn't more than not. Simona rarely touches the ball which is why he hasn't made a clean break this season. Most of our attack goes through Naiqama for whatever reason.

Lol. Ok so now we only push up and support certain players if they are deemed good enough to support? No wonder we rarely make the finals if that's the attitude. All he has to be doing is pushing up with the play and he gets there, it's not that hard. The break was 10m from the sideline. If he was instructed to stay wide he was in the right spot.

I'm not saying he is no good, just pointing out he still has work to do on his game before he is the player some make him out to be.

 

[balmain boy]

Not his error he wasnt there to support Tim, Bones
We are a team with poor support play in general

Teddy lurks everywhere, Robbie does and Lovett follows but most of others are already focusing on the next play sadly. Trundling back in the defensive line even when in attack

Sorry but "nobody else does it" isn't a good enough excuse. If he supports there he scores. We need to demand better of every player.

It's the little things that make average teams good and good teams great.

What a load of crap. Grant makes a break for the first time in 2 years and our backs were supposed to be anticipating the moment? Some players you might sniff around, Grant is not one of them. If anyone should have been hovering in support it's Rankin, not JAC.

JAC does hover in support a bit, could do it a bit more, but then we don't offload much and he may well have been instructed to stay out wide to take advantage of any overlaps for all we know.

The problem is we don't use our best attacking players enough. Brooks does the short ball to Lawrence far too often, it works sometimes but doesn't more than not. Simona rarely touches the ball which is why he hasn't made a clean break this season. Most of our attack goes through Naiqama for whatever reason.

Lol. Ok so now we only push up and support certain players if they are deemed good enough to support? No wonder we rarely make the finals if that's the attitude. All he has to be doing is pushing up with the play and he gets there, it's not that hard. The break was 10m from the sideline. If he was instructed to stay wide he was in the right spot.

I'm not saying he is no good, just pointing out he still has work to do on his game before he is the player some make him out to be.

Do we expect all of our back 3 to be hovering on every single play? lol Of course you target certain players who are known to create more offloads/breaks than others. How could you run set plays if your fast guys are always hovering every hitup??
The break was fairly central, not on the wing too

 

[Sabre]

Sorry but "nobody else does it" isn't a good enough excuse. If he supports there he scores. We need to demand better of every player.

It's the little things that make average teams good and good teams great.

What a load of crap. Grant makes a break for the first time in 2 years and our backs were supposed to be anticipating the moment? Some players you might sniff around, Grant is not one of them. If anyone should have been hovering in support it's Rankin, not JAC.

JAC does hover in support a bit, could do it a bit more, but then we don't offload much and he may well have been instructed to stay out wide to take advantage of any overlaps for all we know.

The problem is we don't use our best attacking players enough. Brooks does the short ball to Lawrence far too often, it works sometimes but doesn't more than not. Simona rarely touches the ball which is why he hasn't made a clean break this season. Most of our attack goes through Naiqama for whatever reason.

Lol. Ok so now we only push up and support certain players if they are deemed good enough to support? No wonder we rarely make the finals if that's the attitude. All he has to be doing is pushing up with the play and he gets there, it's not that hard. The break was 10m from the sideline. If he was instructed to stay wide he was in the right spot.

I'm not saying he is no good, just pointing out he still has work to do on his game before he is the player some make him out to be.

Do we expect all of our back 3 to be hovering on every single play? lol Of course you target certain players who are known to create more offloads/breaks than others. How could you run set plays if your fast guys are always hovering every hitup??
The break was fairly central, not on the wing too

Well a right winger is hardly going to be hovering around a left edge player.
If it's on JAC's side he should be doing that though, likewise for Nofa on his side.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Didnt want to start a new thread but check this out

- RUMOUR: Jordan Rankin to leave the Wests Tigers at seasons end?

https://www.facebook.com/alislatestrumours/

And this may be the reason

- The Wests Tigers are interested in Newcastle Knights player Akuila Uate for season 2017 and beyond. The Knights are also keen on paying some of his salary….